ALdbeign
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why is a two year old issue being discussed exactly?
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This is true, of course the chef logs in the now locked thread kinda forced my hand.Sigh...The posting of this topic wasn't exactly the best move you could have made.
I wold have preferred a simple reply, but, since I came up, I had to say something;)
having said what i needed to say.
/request lock please.
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I claimed the same about you.Not to mention that this fine gentleman actually claims to have hand picked/groomed shaneprice to have been triumvir originally, thank god his abilities to sight new triumvirs is good enough to pick one out to hurt the alliance he's currently wishing to join.Also hiya vox im degenerate108 nice to meet you
OK i admit, i suck at recruiting:P
I mean i have had a few wins, but you and shane are not on the list.
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Your sig-quote sums up my point nicely.The Revolution marches onward!Pro populo!
also, lolwut?
Also, Hi Doitzel
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Greetings,
I would like to offer my sincerest congratulations to Vox Popluli.
Your succesful overthrow of the Grand Global Alliance is most impressive.
Your agents Ironchef and degenerate108 have proven to be very formidable.
I myself have fled, and have turned to Pacifica for refuge, I hope all those with the GGA who oppose Vox populi seek new homes as well.
To those who are week, to those too attached to a flag which i myself hold dear, all i can say is, i am sorry.
I speak not for Pacifica here, Pacifica has a long standing treaty with GGA...
I speak at this moment as one of the oldest members of the GGA, as an Elder, as as former Triumvir.
Vox Populi has gained control of the government, fighting from within looked pointless to me, ironchef controls the triumvirate now, as ironchef did after we expelled her for her treason, i will now fight from another front.
oh and yeah JB said something, sorry i missed it.
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Hi again,
(OOC: First LOL - someone called me a noob. GG
Also, I apologize for seeming "snide" or "sarcastic" - twas not my intent. /OOC)There was some miss-communication regarding this "downgrade" in fact the lack of clear communication was/is the reason for it. RoK (ill use the abbreviation, don't want to be blasted for a typo a second time...though it was someone else's typo, I scrolled to another post and C&P'd to make sure I had it spelled right...oops) did inform us of their intent.
The Grand Global Alliance is not filled with hate about this, far from it. RoK did talk to us, we shipped several people to their forums in an effort to improve relations, not one reply to any post made by us in our embassy there. Perhaps this was a case of "too little, too late". Regardless however, we made an effort and the effort was not returned.
And, we never voted to accept a downgrade to a PIAT. Since there's no clause in the original treaty allowing for this downgrade, we debated how this process would take place, deciding that RoK technically canceled the treaty and offered the PIAT in return. As we haven't signed PIATs in recent months, the council failed to pass this measure.
I would be lying if i claimed we have never had a PIAT, however we do not have them now, though we did try it a while back. PIAT normally outranks an MDP, MoADP, etc. This has been tried, and proven to fail.
We are speaking with RoK regularly still, and look forward to better relations than we have had lately.
No need for the drama, if there is a need for drama, one of us (RoK or GGA) will let you know.
Sincerely,
ALdbeign
Elder/Triumvir (acting)
Grand Global Alliance
edit: grammar and an incomplete sentence.
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Hi,This isnt the type of response that I for one am use to seeing come from the GGA. The "tone" of this post seems sarcastic and bitter to be honest, and forgive me for saying but the pettiness is beneath you. I hope that this was one of those posts that was just written too quickly and without much thought.You probably aren't used to seeing me post then.
OOC: thought out, posted to friends for review before dropping it here.
IC: I was neither bitter nor sarcastic, I would say I'm sorry you feel that way, but that would be sarcastic, I mean, your AA doesn't appear to be ROK.
Maybe you are just too lazy to change it, maybe its none of your concern.
Either way, you judge too swiftly and without knowledge.
Regards,
ALdbeign
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Greetings,
We are certainly sad to see this turn of events.
There has been a lack of communication with Ragnorak of late, and in spite of our efforts this has not improved since last months "audit".
We must therefore accept, this cancellation of our treaty with them.
Regretfully,
ALdbeign
Elder Statesman
Triumvir (acting)
Grand Global Alliance
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Greetings,
Quite nice, article X seems a little vague however.
Also, congratulations on your stats.
Sincerely,
ALdbeign
(edit: added the roman numeral "X")
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OOC: I lol'd
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Dear Mr Kelly,We consider everything not in the public eye sensitive info.And we really, truly do not have a government besides all of us. We are all government, we are none of us government.
This entire thread really serves no purpose anymore and is going to boil down into senseless flaming soon.
Essentially, if you go by admin's definition of alliance, GGA violated their charter. If you believe alliances can dictate what determines a recognized alliance, they did not. If you just came in to post "Vox is fail lolololol." then you are a mindless troll.
Jackkelly now leaves this thread forever. Unless I decide to come post in it again.
With regards to the bolded portion, you are incorrect. Interrogating a prisoner =/= spying under the definitions of our charter.
With regards to everything else, I agree completely (including the part where the is no point in following this thread further.)
Perhaps we could get together for a nice refreshing beverage?
Sincerely,
ALdbeign
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Actually Jack, no I wouldn't.If you had a member leave and come to us with all your guides, documents, plans, lists, and secrets, would you consider it spying? This is essentially the same thing, though on a smaller scale. The spying has already been admitted. The only question now is if GGA accepts admin's definition of alliance.Sorry for being a one trick pony here, but it DOES really come down to that. Your call.
I would (as DJ already said) consider said member to be in violation of their blood oath and they would be attacked.
We wouldn't be accusing the alliance they went to of spying unless we had reason to believe they only joined us to acquire said info.
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So who spied again? I missed it.
I saw logs of a prisoner being interrogated about the location of his leaders.
I've seen no evidence of a member of the gga, through deception or proxie, infiltrating the ranks of vox.
as for the rest of the drama, i lol'd.
PC not only condoned spying but had a multi that was a spy in that alliance of spazzens.
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OOC: Nice to see you still around Doitzel.
/OOCGreetings,
I will be honest and admit I only read the first page, so if someone else has brought this up I apologize.
Since when is interrogating a prisoner of war the same as spying?
It's been standard procedure in many wars in many universes, and is no violation of our charter.
Sincerely,
ALdbeign
p.s. Rebel Virginia...
Again, YOU'RE RIGHT!Our detractors, weak and strange, queer as they may be, deserve our pity, much like weirdo lambs cast out by other, healthier lambs, in a colony of lambs.
It is my dream, and great hope, that the bonds of our many friends, such as LOSS, LUE, ODN, GATO, (insert alliance name here and if I forgot you beat me over the head with one of the adoresaid queer lambs please) will rally around and take note of the bizarre words or our mortal enemas.
These sheeple deserve no quarter, and have wronged us all since day one in the cyberverse. We can only pray that next time we shall finish the job we were meant to do.
Forward brave soldiers of greatness!
PC
PC would make GREAT vox material.
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/signed.Sir, I was around when LUE existed, and I'll tell you this, we really don't have that much in common with LUE.LUE had far more class.
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Your logic is fascinating.What you seem to fail to comprehend is that there are no varying levels of "OOC attack".OOC is OOC. Period. It doesn't matter if you make a thread called "Bilrow Die" or called someone ooc a !@#$%* (which is what Bilrow did to Lady Dakota). Both are OOC, and both have absolutely NO place in this game.
OOC attacks are horrible, and those doing them are showing they lack the moral fibre of being people to look up to.
In addition to that, if you are against OOC attacks, but do them yourself, you are a hypocrit. It is incredibly hypocritical to say such behaviour is not ok and then do it anyway. Bilrow was told that it was an OOC attack by many people, possibly even myself at the time. He ignored such warnings, and "defended" it.
OOC attacks are undefendable.
If the GOONS OOC attack was undefendable, than Bilrow's OOC attack at Lady Dakota is undefendable. You cannot have it both ways.
I have yet to see Bilrow at all apologetic for his OOC attacks. That proves to me one of two things.
1: He doesn't view OOC attacks as something wrong.
2: He is a hypocrit.
Which one of these is true? Because 1 of them is true.
Congrats, you just got egg on your face.
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Those "other" examples you mentioned, of people OOC attacking Bilrow? What did you want me to do with those? I'm not Bilrow, nor do I talk to him, but Ill take his word that he gets OOC attacked like that.
But what I find hypocritical is that those are OOC attacks that he doesn't like, yet he has performed OOC attacks on someone else and didn't see how that is the same !@#$@#$ thing.
That is why he, and you, are hypocrits if you do not see all OOC attacks as bad, as horrible, as something to be expelled from the Cyberverse for.
Your alliance forced other alliances to disband as a result of OOC attacks. You have lost your right to legitimately defend OOC attacks when you decided to never give GOONS, \m/, or Genmay peace and have decided to remain in a permanent state of warfare to those alliances, because of your IC usage of OOC attacks to your advantage.
From this I am to believe:
You have never called anyone a name (any name for as you say - there are no varying levels).
I am a hypocrite for feeling there are varying levels.
Somehow, I made comments about \m/ and Genmay (guilt by association I suppose, oddly my own memory of this thread had me supporting release for FAN but not GOONS).
I do not have any rights to an opinion except those that you give me.
I believe your egg missed, please toss another as I almost have enough for breakfast.
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Tell you what mate ill shorten it to two.You must remember that incident, because now instead of finding 1 OOC incident in which Bilrow OOC attacked someone, you want me to find 3.What difference does it make? Bilrow was OOC attacked and it was used by the entire CN to expel GOONS, who did the attack, and to demonize Genmay and \m/ for being their allies.
Months ago Bilrow OOC attacked someone, and ...nothing happened, because obviously the rules are different depending on if Bilrow is the victim of an OOC attack, or if he was the perpetrator of such an attack.
My point here is that Bilrow and others used OOC attacks to further IC goals. Those same people then, at various times, did OOC attacks of their own, or performed the behavior that got those alliances expelled from the game.
You hate someone for X. You then do X yourself. You have someone forcibly disbanded for Y reason. You then do Y action yourself, and see nothing wrong with you doing it, but hate it when it is done to you.
It is hypocricy that I am against.
Don't you dare tell me that Bilrow never OOC attacked someone. I remember 1 incident specifically. I do not recall if there are more, but even 1 is more than enough. Remember, it only took 1 to get GOONS ejected from the game.
My point is hypocricy regarding OOC attacks is horrible, and that is my biggest hatred in CN.
You use OOC attacks to justify IC actions, but perform OOC attacks yourself. THat proves your motives are suspect, and you yourself should be forcibly ejected from that game if you perform such acts.
Keep OOC as OOC. There are plenty of people and several alliances guilty of this practice. Whether its 1 time, or 3 times, it does not matter. It just proves that all outrage expressed by those entities is feigned, and not truly outrage, for who performed acts they think are outrageous and claim moral highground while doing so?
Before hitting the submit buttun i asked bilrow if i was gonna get egg on my face, and he told me a story about losing his cool once and saying something rude.
He also defended it on the basis he didnt know them and it involved NO RL INFO. didnt know them, didnt know their personal life, just made a couple rude comments based on in-game experience.
We all lose our cool sometimes, its NOT hypocritical to say such behaviour is not ok even though youce slipped and done it yourself once.
now as far as the other examples i mentioned, cant help but noticed you ignored all those...
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Pics of Bilrow's OOC attacks?
Meh, its been a few months since that post, but it was in a thread here.
I'll look it up for you, but it might take me a while.
I didnt mean pics literally, its really not that important, however...
other than losing his cool once or twice, you certainly can't say he
got the RL phone number of someone he didn't like and spread it around for RL harassment purposes.
found websites related to a player in this game and posted harassing or threatening messages.
spammed websites related to RL activities of a player in this game.
etc...
etc...
i mean seriously, if you can find three examples of OOC attacks by bilrow, even if all are one person, i'll back off. if its 3 different people, ill even apologize for calling you out.
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The GGA takes no responsibility for people who put them on backwards.Unfortunately, the GGA thong chafed me in... Unsavory areas. -
Pics or it didnt happen.What you don't understand is that although Bilrow can take extreme offense at OOC attacks directed against himself, he is allowed to make as many OOC attacks as he wants, because thats different.Why?
Because noone has the balls to do anything to Bilrow about it.
But when GOONS did it it was used as an excuse to keep em in Perma ZI.
Why? Because the situations were completely different. Somehow.
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About \m/ coming back as a protectorate of the NPO...why would the NPO do that?
The NPO didn't come to \m/'s aid per their MADP bloc, why would NPO held shield \m/ after 11 months of disbandment which is imposed by NPO's closest allies?
Also, I personally think FAN has done more than their time. As for GOONS, meh.
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I endorse this message simply because I want to see the \m/ thong back in the CN Merchandise Store.
OUR thong is the only thong anyone needs. :angry:
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Wow, you did not just say that? did you? PC? lol. umm i seem to recall you quit gga over PC, (CGS later to be called CDS was born of your rebellion)I know a lot of our leadership at the time wanted to bail out of the war, and they probably were talking to NPO leaders about peace terms, but when the war was winding down we were pretty determined to see it through and finish our original mission of protecting LUE. I already screwed up a lot in that war and I wanted to at least get some result from it..On our side, there were alliances protecting LUE, and alliances wanting to fight NPO, and it really ended up hurting the effeciency of the CoaLUEtion, towards the end of the war it almost seemed like NPO was making a comeback.
Archon, CoaLUEtion wasn't a bunch of "blithering idiots." Just poor communication among the leaderships and CK acting like his **** didn't stink. Hell, we would've been better with P_C calling the shots.
but yeah, I suppose I agree, after all nothing could have been worse than CK.
CK did one good thing though, he inspired the GGA to align with the NPO. While in that war we were bitter enemies of Pacifica, they showed class where GATO had none, where your precious PC had none.
Really John, you know better than to make such a silly statement.
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Greetings,
umm wut?
ok,
GPA should just keep silent.
Seriously.
Good luck though.
Seriously.
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What a perfect thing to quote (and from a GOON no less)Another way is to pull an OOC attack excuse when one name doesn't suit the other.Let me get this straight, a "neutral member" of a "neutral alliance" name 404Error (not to be confused with Error404 of GOONS right?) sent aid to GOONS who is at war but the nation itself wasn't currently in a war but hey...right...they are in an alliance in a war and are therefore at war, period.
This "loophole" is a fabrication, which GOON thought it up for you?
A truly sad day for me, "back in the day" (haha last year) GPA would NEVER have allowed such behavior.
I could think of some analogies for this but they would most likely get me warning.
To be honest, not being GPA right now is a relief and I'm not sure how I feel about Green with this crapola going on.
Yet Another Attempt to Organize the History of CN
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mmk...2 yr old private logs...well....sure umm please continue...don't mind me
i dont see the relevance but ok.