On3H34rT
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I'm really not on anyone's side here. I would just like some clarification, if someone wouldn't mind?
NPO has been given terms that include a long-term peace mode status for X nations?
If this is true, how is that any different than what NPO is doing right now? (38 of top 40 nations in PM) It seems like either way they're going to lose billions by being in peace mode. They can do it while at war or after the war as terms. What's the difference if the end result is the same?
You have a point, which is precisely why Pacifica does not have much incentive to accept these terms. We wouldn't be able to rebuild. So, we might as well do some damage then since either way, we can't put this war behind us.
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No.
You lost a war, and if you want to get out of the war you need to agree to peace terms. You don't get to dictate terms. Either you accept the very lenient terms given to you or the terms will come into affect by your very refusal to take them.
I believe we have very different definitions of lenient. Your so called "lenient" terms will cost Pacifica billions upon billions in revenue and cost months and maybe years to fully recover. They are pretty much more harsh than any reparations in the history of CN. This is ironic considering the reason Pacifica is in this war in the first place.
I will give your coalition credit on the propaganda, though. You couch these terms as a mandatory "peace mode" to avoid the word "reparations." Of course, this only works if people don't do the actual math of your so called "lenient" peace terms.
And why don't you ask the rest of your coalition, i.e., the alliances that are taking the most damage, how they feel about an extended war? It's surely not in their best interest to continue having their lower tier blasted with nukes indefinitely.
This is where the problem lies. I sincerely hope that your allies will actually read these next statements, though I'm sure their voices are not well-received.
It's easy for TOP and Umbrella to put their foot down and demand such harsh reparations. I don't think anyone denies that you two are largely untouchable, nor does anyone deny your alliances' strength. But extended warfare, regardless of the effect on Pacifica and its allies, will bring your allies down with them. The chest bumping is fine, but I believe the rest of your coalition is somewhat unaware of the effect an extended war will have on them. In my opinion, Umbrella and TOP aren't good representatives for that reason.
Again, let's be reasonable. I don't believe we are trying to dictate terms. But as much as you think we have no basis to negotiate, you are sorely mistaken. The rest of your coalition isn't as untouchable as you or TOP.
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True, but from what I understand, that is a result of repeated war-time actions and not a premeditated plan. If someone can provide me evidence to the contrary, then perhaps I would change my mind.
What war-time actions? This war has nothing to do with previous actions. You can say that war was inevitable - if that's the case, your coalition should have grew a pair and just declared on NPO for these past transgressions.
That's not what happened.
If your declarations of war and associated reasons are meaningless, then why have them? Because, so far in this war, the only action Pacifica has taken is defend its ally, an action hardly deserving of such harsh reparations.
If you'd like, I could go throughout history and find every wrong Polar conducted, etc, and use it to support harsh treatment. What would be REALLY entertaining is if TOP used that philosophy on Polar.
Hell, on that note, we should all just stay in a state of perpetual war since at any given time, we'll just fight over the past transgressions. Right, Starfox? I mean, what incentive does Pacifica or anyone else for that matter to surrender and/or accept peace on those terms?
<3 Starfox
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Until you stop couching it as what "we believe" and just admit to everyone what is obvious, I imagine it'll keep being discussed.
Plus, it's not as tedious as reading Tywin's posts. You have to at least admit that much as a reasonable person.
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Sure, and I believe that was in the context of the DoW. But nobody is talking about terms for NG because they have more or less been reduced sufficiently. Between TLR, NSO, NG and NPO (and NoR for that matter), Pacifica is the least reduced.
Bro, no disrespect intended, but I'm not sure how anyone, even people in your coalition, could believe the endless propaganda you spew out.
Here are the facts:
NPO only entered this conflict to defend its ally. Nowhere have you stated that NPO was a target in this war - you only loosely mentioned NG and NSO. But now, you state that NPO is the only alliance that hasn't been damaged sufficiently? Are you kidding me? The last time I checked, we are at 50%ish of our beginning NS.
No, instead, your coalition wants to force peace terms on Pacifica that will cripple it for years, after seeing a reduction in 50% of its NS. And this is for an alliance that allegedly wasn't a target in this war. And although I have respect for our allies, I fail to see how it makes any logical sense to place terms on Pacifica, but then acknowledge NG and NSO are free to go when it is they who you allege did the wrongdoing. Honestly bro, it's laughable.
I honestly fail to see how the rest of the alliances in your coalition can sit by and watch this madness.
Here's the deal. Pacifica has an awesome rebuilding/banking system. You know this. You don't like it. So you want to cripple our banks, because your alliance does not like us and wants to "win" the game. Your alliance does not give two ****s about the rest of the alliances in your coalition. All the while the alliances in your coalition, including Polar mind you, are taking the blunt of the damage. You get to sit by and watch, for the most part.
Honestly, I don't see how they put up with you. This war was entirely a pretext, and the rest of your coalition should be infuriated. I just wish you would stop with the crap and tell it like it is. At least then, I'd respect you.
I have a feeling most of the alliances in your coalition would be a little more reasonable given the opportunity.
Honestly, this is exactly why White Peace is in order.
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I think both sides should take heed to this conversation in any future peace negotiations.
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Excuse, for? I deal in reality. Nobody should be criticizing NPO or NpO's warfighting ability. You should be the last person to attempt to call me out for that given the position NSO sits under your leadership.
Historically speaking, a large majority of competent alliances that have been jumped have generally dealt more damage than they have received. See: Kaskus. If you are making a case that Polar is performing poorly this war, then please speak to your comrades who have been trading blows with us, or again, consult one of the numerous stat pages.It's not a matter of performing "badly." It's all relative. It's more that Pacifica is performing better. I think that's the notion people are butthurt about. I don't feel as if Polar or any other alliance is necessarily performing badly. We are all dealt different hands.
I do find it unfortunate though that this type of mutual respect and discussion should have been extended even before this war started. I think once both coalitions come to respect each other and for their respective performances in this war, we'll have a prompt resolution of this matter.
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I think this is true for a majority of alliances at this point. Certainly not something exclusive to one side or one alliance. You also have 2k NS...what do you expect? I myself have found some terrible Pacifican and TIO targets at that range, because often times you'll find nations that are newer, or just not involved in the game. Presenting that as an example of the war while at that range is completely ignorant of reality. The best nations at that range are always the ones dropped from above.
Certainly impressive stats. However, you are ignoring some facts about that. NPO is focusing quite a bit more on us than anyone else, and is also a larger alliance. When inspecting closer the last 70 wars (Not a stat head and don't care to look further), I only saw 2 nations above 12k NS declare on us. Your lower tier is certainly an impressive war machine (In particular joesta and Chuckistan have been personal headaches). However, that is indeed the lower tier, and admittedly not hard to replace.
Credit is due though for your ability to continue declaring with so many alliances on you. We are certainly enjoying this war along with you guys!
Not sure how you managed to destroy that quote, but, anyway, you are aware Polar is more positive in damage given than received, as well? Not really an argument you can make towards us.
Oh darn, I typed in the quote box. Argument invalid.
Seriously, was Polar jumped on as heavily as us? I hardly call that even. I still consider the argument valid. The fact is - by sheer numbers, we should NOT be doing more damage than taking. Your coalitions inability to work as a team, stagger, etc, is the real issue here. By sheer numbers, this war should have been over at the very beginning. That's obviously not the case.
Otherwise, I do respect the rest of your statements and appreciate the compliments as someone now in the lower tier.
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Frustration when you find out that you are trying to fight a war against an Alliance that hides in Peace Mode?
That's what has been coming to anyone fighting Pacifica.Besides from Sir Paul's terrible voice :blink: :wacko: :gag: :facepalm:
This is obviously not the case considering the drop in Polar's NS. The last time I checked, Pacifica was doing more damage than taking, much of that damage being done to your alliance.If you are going to criticize me, at least make sense bro. There are plenty of nations not in PM.
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Not even Jesus can save you from what is coming, CCC.
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Lol.
War's over.
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Surely "resolving this war shortly" could be achieved by offering NPO peace, instead of holding NPO at war indefinitely and blaming Us for prolonging the war by not peacing out.
It's almost as if NSO wasn't the primary target of this war...oh wait.
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Argue over what colour I should paint my walls.
I am debating between pink, green or blackI'm concerned that those are your only options.
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I was thinking putting all of TIO through an elawyering class personally
anyways, good luck guys
Will you be teaching this class? I might have to attend.
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Can we just get an answer on this? This really shouldn't be that hard to answer.
The answer is Da DreadLord.
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Dear Legion,
You have made me famous. <3.
Let's do this.
tl;dr We declare war, and are surprised you let us get away with those two wars all day.
/s/ Bjalbert - Imperator
/s/ Regent Pancras - Proconsul
/s/ Killer04 - Shadow Gov
/s/ Roddney McCay - Minister of Economics
/s/ Captain - Minister of Defence
/s/ Konkrage - Minister of Internal AffairsWe 'oA in with Sparta and Polar
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Umm
you realize for the people of CN just browsing /b/ and enjoying probably makes you a bad person? Why do you give into these folks? If you were yourself theyd think you were an immoral freak yet you want their friendship..... above those who accept you as you are???
messed up
If you conduct hate speech and other such acts, nobody should "accept as you are". You deserve to burn, and as such I hope your war slots are filling. If you happen to be in my range, and have a slot open, maybe I could get permission to lay waste to your "lulz". If being yourself means accepting your bigotry, then not only should you not be accepted in this community, or even the world itself, but you should be exiled. Goodbye and grow up. Accepting your behavior would be a major character flaw and unacceptable. Personal uniqueness is not a free ride to act as you wish.
tdlr
Don't screw with GGA.
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oh, how I do love blood!
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I suppose then he falls into the latter category of 'not deserving to have an opinion' but I was willing to give the bloke a chance.
You are very generous.
XD
See, NPO is benevolent!
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Nevertheless, I am having fun stealing some cash from a nice big FAN bank!
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Have some balls for once in your life then and do it. If you aren't willing to stand by your opinion you don't deserve to have it at all.
This is not a Gandhi or a Martin Luther King Jr. we are talking about here.
It probably goes like this...
"OMG NPO is being such bullies, lawdy"
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What I meant by that, is if I let my full opinion become known..well let's just say alot of people would be calling for my head on a platter.
Not if your opinion has nothing to do with the Orders and her allies.
Quite frankly, the world will move on without your opinion.
No rudeness intended.
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Well at least your comfortable with being completely uncompromising and bullish.
Says the guy who forced insane terms/reparations on a tiny alliance...
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I noticed the VP of GPA affirmed this message, but have yet to hear from Valid.
CCC Formal DoW (again)
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
Posted · Edited by On3H34rT
Let's say I am inclined to agree with you. That does not answer the fundamental question of relative harshness. The central debate, thus, should be rephrased not as the worst reparations, but what about the worst reparations considering actions taken by the alliance? Again, all Pacifica did was defend an ally who you voluntarily attacked.
Look, the fact is, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Pacifica nation absolutely condone its previous acts. Although you characterize our play in the last war as a misguided attempt at gaining political power, the bottom line is the opposing coalition got off easy. Pacifica isn't what it was then, so it's bad timing to try and punish it now.
Forgive and forget, as you will.