Nymraud
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most people agree it's a bad choice? most of the people i've seen/talked to like the change whether they are affected negatively by it or not.
Most people you talk to apparently aren't most people. Read any poll asking about the change and it will tell you that most people do not like the change.
i'm not trying to win you over here, and i know i probably never will, but it doesn't matter, b/c the changes have been made and that's that. the fact still remains that tech is STILL the most cost effective way of upping your NS.Yes, but the point is that it is 75% less effective at upping your NS. It is only a little bit more effective now as opposed to a lot more effective, you might as well just buy infra. I would rather not clog up my foreign aid.
You people who are rushing to get nukes thinking they are these amazing things that make the game suddenly worth playing are being ridiculous. Nukes don't really do much of anything for you but make you look powerful, which is just what an excessive level of technology did before the change.If you look at it that way, everything in this game is boring. Nothing in this game really does anything for you except make you look more powerful. But then again, that's kind of the point of the game.
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actually, i did have to buy some infra/military to break into the top 5%. i'm not going to deny that getting to the top 5% will be slower now, but it is by no means impossible.
Yesterday when I looked at your ranking, it was 4.4%. You're telling me you gained at least .6% in one day? I don't believe that. You had to have been put into the top 5% as a result of the change. And out of curiosity, how long do you think it would take a naiton in the top 8% to get to the top 5? What about a nation in the top 20%? What about most nations? Most nations will never get close to ever seeing a nuke, because they're your average joe player that realizes that nukes take literally years to obtain. Nukes are a big motivation to playing this game. Now that most nations find out they can not get them unless they have a huge amount of help or play the game for a long time, we could certainly see a drop in the number of people who play CN, that is, unless more goodies are added in between aircraft and spies and all that. Admin is just making more things harder for normal players and it's going to diminish game participation.
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This is more of a suggestion topic, but I agree with it.
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1. it would be dead b/c the rate of tech inflation would, in a matter of months, make catching the top tier of nations completely impossible.
If anything is impossible, it's catching the top tier of nations now, not before. Before the change, I could go up .1 or .2% everyday, now I'm stuck at 8%. And even if somehow what you say is true, the game would not "die."
The fact is the changes that are made are made to try to improve the game, that doesn't mean every change is necessary. Most people agree this change was a bad choice. Just because the game is in beta version doesn't mean admin should make this kind of change. The least he could have done is not made such a drastic change to nation strength and rankings ignoring people who have spent literally over a year on the game using a completely legitimate strategy. There's no way to get that lost time back for us, that's why so many people are upset.
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if he didn't make the change the game would be dead in a matter of months. it was necessary and it didn't matter whether or not we wanted it.
Riiiiiiiiight...
1. The game would not be dead in a matter of moths, the amount of people who participate in this game is more than likely to go down due to this change than go up considering how many people hate the change. But most likely, this change will have very little change on the amount of people playing the game.
2. The change was not necessary, the game has existed perfectly for about 2 years without the change. You may like the change but that doesn't make it necessary.
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Going into war is pretty much suicide now.
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You're in 4.4%. Likely this occured after the change in the tech formula, and directly because of the change in forumla. Right? Not because you bought infra and got in but because the formula changed and tech heavy nations seats in the top 5 were swapped for nations like yours. I've been playing the game for well over a year, you can't deny that rankings are going to change a lot slower now than they were. Getting in the top 5% is going to take dedication.
Wurzak hit the nail on the head... tech was used for boosting a nations ego, infra was used to boost a nations strength/value/whatever, this change just adjusted it back into being more correct.Look, both tech and infra had their pros and cons, that's what made it interesting. Tech may have seemed like false strength, but by buying lots of it it could give you something very powerful. Nukes. In that respect tech wasn't false strength.
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How has tech been made useless for raising NS? It still gives you more NS than infra and for large nations 50 tech in a tech deal is cheaper than 10 infra. All this change has done is slow down the inflation which was a much needed change.
A slow down in inflation that will put rankings at a standstill.
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Admin did the right thing. Less nuclear rogues who could target much higher nations and destroy much more Infra. I remember nuclear rouges who were ZI'd but had 3000+ tech and were still attacking nations close to 9000 infra. That is way too unbalancing. Yeah it sucks that your numbers (and mine) went down but the game is going to be much more balanced now.
Ah, but nuclear radiation is back. All the more enticing to nuke rogues. They can hurt everybody now. The game will not be balanced. Those with nukes will keep them, and those without will probably never get them. Unless they spend literal years trying to get them. People like Jebbie agree with this change because now their seat in the top 5% is secure. Rankings are now stuck.
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From what I can see its only you and 1 or 2 others complaining loudly while everyone else understands this was necessary and/or welcomes it.
Dude, have you read any of the polls?
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I disagree with your statement. Nuclear scientists, computer engineers, and research microbiologists wouldn't be able to do anything in regards to their capacity if thrown into the wilderness without tools, fuel, and collected data destroyed by a nuke.
Technology is just a number representing how technologically advanced a nation is. If the US were to get nuked, would we be any less technologically advanced? No, we would just lose buildings, facilities, highways, things like that. The examples you gave would fall under the infrastructure category. We wouldn't go BACKWARDS in technological advancement just because we were attacked.
I'm also sick of people saying tech was false NS. It only was until you bought nukes. Being tech heavy was the only way to get into the top 5% before the change. That is, unless you had been playing the game for a really really long time and had bought an incredible amount of infra. Now the top 5% is going to stay the top 5% and everyone else is screwed because going up in rank is so freaking slow.
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This game is obscure enough, I don't think admin should be making decisions that make 50-60% people angry if he wants to grow the game let alone keep the players who are in it. It makes me want to quit knowing how pointless this game is now. Let's face it, a lot of young players and even experienced players only keep playing because they are enticed by nukes. The ability to annihilate. The ultimate attack. Now? Psh. I've been playing for well over a year, I could see it take another year if not more to get there. Very few people are going to be devoted enough to play this game.
no, it's not worth less. functionally, it is still worth exactly the same.it's value in terms of NS has been diminished, but NS has always been an artificial number used to quantify the strength of a nation. a number which was vastly different from the ACTUAL strength of a nation.
Yes, it's NS value has been diminished by 75%.tech does not improve the actual strength of a nation beyond 300 levels, so why should it have a profound effect on the number which symbolizes that strength?
Unless you were below 300 tech you only bought tech to go up in strength really. Tech wasn't a false strength as many of you argue. Why? Buying tech allows you to buy nukes. If you invest your money in tech and not that much infra, you have a nation that's strength level doesn't accurately depict your real nation's strength until you got nukes. Then all that tech you bought that was false strength up until now suddenly payed off and your investments allowed you to get something that a lot of infra heavy nations don't have. Yes tech is still technically the fastest way to go up in NS. But being able to only take 50 per transaction, and using two foreign aid slots each time makes it a much slower process. A process so slow a lot of people will quit.
I don't know where you buy your tech, but 150 levels for 3M is still quite a common price on the open market.So that's 50 levels of tech for 1M, which could also buy me about 5 levels of Infra. I stopped reading the rest of your post after this.
You can't get 150 levels of tech at one time. You can get 100 and all but 1 of your aid slots is full for ten days. It's just a huge hassle to find people to buy it from, clog up your aid slots. (I have several people I send aid to from time to time) It's just not worth it, even if it is still worth a little bit more per level because the pros really do not make up for the cons. Before the upside was that tech put up your strength and thus your rank a lot faster, but didn't help you much in the long run, (until you can buy nukes) and infra helped you in the long run but didn't build your NS for quickly. Now, neither of the two put up your NS very quickly. It's almost like making the strength multiplier for tech has been lowered so much that it defeats the purpose of even going to the trouble of buying tech.
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You have infra and tech mixed up. Computers and electronics should be considered infra. Your tech level just indicates how technologically advanced your infra is. Unless you totally wipe out a country, you can't destroy the knowledge those people have to create technology. I don't think tech should be destroyable for that reason and for the reason that now nations can be totally wiped out in war, admin, that's a good way to make the population of people who play this game get smaller and smaller. Getting ZI'd is bad enough, during large global wars, people who get annihilated will probably quit the game after realizing their months if not years of work have been destroyed.
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Why does it matter that everybody lost NS? That doesn't justify the sudden change in rules. What about the 3% drop in rank I experienced. 3% not that much right? Well when you get down below 10% nation rank, it's very difficult to gain higher rank. I went from 6% to 9%. Now that tech is basically not worth buying over infra, I will NEVER get nukes. Now I will just get to watch my NS creep slowly up, and my nation rank go nowhere because we're all buying the same thing because that's all that's worth buying.
Oh, and the ability to destroy tech doesn't really make sense. Tech is basically a reflection of the intellectual advancement of people in your nation. You can't destroy intelligence. You shouldn't be able to destroy tech.
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you're right. tech is way more expensive to buy than infra... if you buy it from yourself. but who does that? no higher level nation buys their own tech. the use of tech deals makes buying tech a much more efficient way of raising your NS, even with the change in value
You can only get 50 tech at one time. Since 50 tech is worth 75% less. That's like getting 12.5 tech in the old formula. Woohoo. Not even worth the 2 foreign aid slots and the time it takes to set up a deal.
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i think you are missing the point of us offering to buy your "worthless" tech. the calculations you just provided show exactly what we were talking about last night when we first started offering to buy tech. tech is still the fastest way to inflate your NS, even though it is worth less (NS-wise) than it did before. infra gives a x3 multiplier. tech is x5.
the point of our offer was to show you that tech is not, in fact, worthless (and to get some easy tech from ignorant players that don't want to go to the trouble of figuring that out)
Yes, tech is now worthless. Your post overlooks the fact that tech is A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE than infra. You can't buy equal amounts of tech and infra, you can buy a lot more infra than you can tech, and increase in strength by buying infra a lot faster than by buying tech. I'm not going to do the math, but surely you can see the general idea? It's not that I'm going to sell all my tech now, I'm not going to send any of it. But I certainly don't see any need for me to buy tech again for a long long time.
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Infra is being made too important. Now basically land and technology are worthless. I liked it before when nations could be powerful in different ways. Almost like different nations had different attributes. Now there's only one important thing you should buy. Infra. Admin is making the game more accurate, yes, but more boring. Not to mention the fact that it's unfair to nations whose strategy was to buy tech over infra to become powerful, and now their completely legitimate strategy is void because admin decided to change the rules NOW, after the game has been going for a long time. Oh, and tech is worth 75% less but still 100% expensive. Nukes are more unattainable. And the game is less attractive to people who are trying to find something new in the game to look forward to because it takes literally YEARS to get to the top 5%.
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As far as people complaining about long term planning being undone. You benefited from your strategy for 100, 200, 300, etc., days. A strategy doesn't always work for all time. Things change, the game updates and revalues things. New improvements, techniques and formulas are added in. You benefited for a time from what you were doing by hording tech and the corresponding strength benefit. However, that strategy is less effective and now you must come up with a new method to achieve whatever goal you have. Instead of complaining, think of it as a challenge as we have always had to overcome when items were added or modified in the game.
If there was a magic formula that you could always do forever, wouldn't the game get rather boring? Where is the challenge in doing the same thing every day?
You know what? I've been playing this game for over 500 days. I have yet to attain nukes. Anyone who plays this game for as long as I do, you have to be pretty devoted. Obviously I have no problem with a little "challenge." But this isn't a challenge. This isn't about difficulty. This is about time. Lots, and lots, of time. People who invested their money in tech over infra, are screwed, and people who invested in infra are fine. I could care less about my strength, but my rank has dropped significantly and many people are in the same boat. The reason people are "whining" is because they spent a lot of time that has now gone to waste.
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yeah totally, because pressing an extra button every day practically tripled the excitement
edit: ahahah, i dont see what is stopping you from buying tech now aswell
Before there was different ways to get higher in strength. You could buy tech, or infra. You had differnt kinds of powerful nations. It made the game more interesting. It's like nations had different strengths and attributes because they had invested their money differently. Now only one of those attributes is important and worth buying.
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My only big gripe here, and not necessarily for my own nation, but some people have been developing their nation based under a certain set of guidelines. When given those guidelines and statistics they formulated a plan to grow their nation in the way they see fit. For the last X amount of days they have been building following that plan, under those rules. Today a large portion of those guidelines and statistics have been pulled out from under them, and their planning. Like I said , while I don't care that much, it does make me wonder what else could up and be changed, that has such a large affect on long term planning that has been underway for some time.
That's exactly what I've been doing.
Looks like all CN will be now is the mundane, collect taxes and buy infra. At least before you could buy tech.
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Tech is still incredibly expensive, now it's not even worth buying. Sure, infra was the real NS, but tech made up for it by being incredibly expensive. Now there's no balance between tech and infra.
Making something like nukes more unattainable is not attractive to newcomers and to people who've been playing the game for quite some time. It's the only thing that's kept me playing the game, and that's probably the same for other people. I've always looked forward to being able to buy nukes, now my strategy for getting them is ruined because admin changed a big part of the game so quickly. All the money I invested in tech for so long was a waste because admin decided to change the rules. There's no compensation either, can't sell tech.
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What's the point of tech if it doesn't help your NS? Why buy it? I realize it has still miltary value, but now tech is very insignificant. I dropped from some 30,000 strength to 22,238.548. And I'm even farther away from getting nukes. This sucks. Admin, you suck.
New change to tech multiplying.
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That was the only effect to you. Some people got pushed back in rank, like me. So naturally, I'm upset, and naturally, you aren't. You're sittin pretty in the top .8% while people like me are likely to be stuck out of it for quite some time.
To someone who's in the top .8%, yeah nukes might seem overrated. But to someone at about half your NS, they're a pretty big deal. At this point in the game it's really the only thing cool left to buy. Anything else I might buy like an improvement or a wonder is just more of the same. And wonders are still a ways off for me.