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[quote name='Lord Levistus' date='05 June 2010 - 07:54 PM' timestamp='1275774830' post='2325061']
Exactly the opposite, to be honest.
Foisting the decisions off to the membership is the easy way out. Means you hold no responsibility for a poor choice.
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That's funny considering that the UPN leadership at the time took some incredible heat for it, and the fact that the membership was consulted hasn't been mentioned much until now.
It's ok though, whatever fits your narrative. Congratulations on being honorable. -
[quote name='James Saams' date='05 June 2010 - 07:49 PM' timestamp='1275774543' post='2325046']
Which shows that the overwhelming majority don't want to have to honor their treaties if it means a possible loss. An overwhelming majority of low quality members makes for an overwhelmingly low quality alliance.
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So you don't like UPN? What have we learned? -
[quote name='Lord Levistus' date='05 June 2010 - 07:46 PM' timestamp='1275774375' post='2325041']
Pure democracies are slow, and hard to work with. That's why most quality alliances have done away with that.
You elect the government, and trust them to look out for the membership and the Alliance as a whole, and sometimes that means unpopular decisions.
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You're right, just making decisions without consulting the membership which you swear to protect when they join is much easier. -
[quote name='Ernesto Che Guevara' date='05 June 2010 - 07:43 PM' timestamp='1275774184' post='2325034']
People on the outside always claim to know everything about an internal situation.
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I wasn't on the outside, I was inside, I joined DRAGON only a few days go. Not that you're wrong. -
I recently left UPN as well, and its incredibly funny how ignorant people like you, Alterego, are about the situation but how much you seem to be furious about it. UPN has always been an alliance that prides itself on being transparent, open, and democratic. Of course this is not always the case and sometimes causes people to leave. After realizing the gravity of their situation, the UPN government decided to put war to a vote among the general membership, many government members voted for war on iFok, FCO, and other fronts in the war, but the membership overwhelmingly chose neutrality. If the government had chosen to go to war with either side in this conflict they would have essentially shown a big middle finger to their members. No doubt mistakes were made, going back much further than the actual war mistakes were made in UPN's foreign policy, but I for one applaud UPNs decisions in that war, because its an excellent example of UPNs commitment to its OWN MEMBERS above commitment to loud, obnoxious, and ultimately meaningless agitators like you.
o/ UPN, may you live up to your founding principles more and more each day. -
Woop Woop, we're well loved already.
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[quote]Now I'm not one to question heart and desire, with biggest gainer again comes the [color="#ff0000"][b]New Pacific Order[/b][/color] with fire
Please don't mind this rap it's a moment of insanity not a good day for the [color="#008000"][b]Green Protection Agency[/b][/color] and neutrality
I'm no hitman but I think [color="#800080"][b]United Purple Nations[/b][/color] better watch they back, coming up from behind is [color="#663300"]Global Alliance And Treaty Organization[/color] like a Mack[/quote]
Rap is wack, UPN sittin on papers stacks, don't care what you said, we still more than one point ahead. -
Now that this is resolved, the only question remaining is how much juice people who hate UPN can get out of this 'diplomatic incident'.
The ironic thing about people chiding us because we were trying to shamelessly secure an ally/techfarm is that the people who were banned from that channel were most likely trying to do something similar...
Go go go! -
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Cheers, congratulations on starting a new venture and good luck to you.
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[quote name='BarbulaM1' date='08 March 2010 - 09:47 PM' timestamp='1268092352' post='2218512']
GATO sanctioned and NPO almost in #1, GPA sanctioned, ODN, NpO and VE. Oh the nostalgia... GGA hurry up!
The other alliances are too new.
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Now if GR, MK, and GOONS get a sanction then we're back at reset. -
Congratulations, good to see the games first alliance back at the top
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[quote name='janax' date='01 March 2010 - 07:52 PM' timestamp='1267480585' post='2210300']
Well at least you kept alive the policy of not joining a losing war.
Congrats...I guess.
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Congrats on being ignorant and a meany... I guess.
Hihihihi -
I guess the real work starts now.
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I've got the oil and the rubber, but I'd rather remain in purple
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Nation Ruler: Torito
Nation Link: [url="http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=384824"]Garza[/url]
Resources: Oil, Rubber
Which set and circle do you want to be in?: Set II Circle A or D
Are there any specific wild card resources that you want?: nope -
Hi, new to the game and ive been told tech deals are a good way to grow infrastructure fast.
If anynation out there is interested in a tech deal please pm me or send an offer in game
my link is:
http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=384824
BAPS response to UPN
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[quote name='Hiro Nakara' date='12 June 2010 - 08:41 AM' timestamp='1276339259' post='2334821']
To be Blunt "yes I do" now let me explain, That threat was a hollow joke, he has no intentions of sanctioning you. It's just you the drama queen that has a craving to try and cling onto any scrap to make bad PR.
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Stop making sense right now. If you do not, then I can only assume you are a rogue poster from a rogue alliance.