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I joined GPA the day I created my (first and only) nation, 3/5/07. It's been great. Hurray for everyone's dedication!
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Good luck and I'll stop giving you a hard time now so you can respond to the people of real substance like TrotskysRevenge and Reyne.
Thanks, and don't worry, we're happy to chat.
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I do think something like a declaration of pacifism might be more in order and then you could appeal to other alliances to sign on recognizing that you are a quasi-pacifist alliance that will only fire if fired upon directly.
That's a good suggestion. The only problem I see is that pacifism, to most, designates an unwillingness to use military force at all, even in self-defense. We are peace-loving, but we aren't in that sense pacifist, so that label might lead to confusion. It would also allow interference with others diplomatically, which we don't want to do. Neutrality seems the best term to describe our stance of both quasi-pacifism, as you put it, and diplomatic non-intervention.
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“The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crises maintain their neutrality”
Dante Alighieri
Heh, that's my sig on the GPA forums. I think I'll snag it here, too.
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Treading lightly here since it would be pointless to pick on an alliance like the GPA with a baiting post. However, what I have quoted above from your announcement seems like a rather arbitrary definition of neutrality, subject to the vagaries of alliance leadership and politics.
Is this a new definition or has this always been a part/the heart of the DoN?
I'm not in government (right now) but I'll take a shot at answering your questions.
As Thomas said earlier, this is essentially a rewording of the original document, with the intent of keeping the original meaning of the document intact while cutting out fluff. So yes, this definition has essentially always been at the heart of the document. And far from being vague and arbitrary, we find this to be quite a simple and concrete working definition of neutrality for us.
And something specific, would the GPA ever find someone threatening one of the signatories of this DoN as involving the GPA to the point of defending GPA interests per this said definition?No, the politics of signatories outside of their direct relations to the GPA are their own affairs; this clause is intended to relate to direct involvement and not any secondary interests.
Also, irrespective of the DoN's wording in the past, it is curious that any other sovereign alliance would sign this, unless it is mostly out of respect for your peaceful tradition. I mean no harm here, but I do not see why any alliance would recognize and support an alliance whose purpose is to never come to the assistance of any other alliance.Even though we try to remain neutral and wouldn't take sides in a conflict, we also try to cultivate friendly and mutually beneficial relationships with all alliances. We can contribute to economic trading, tips and information, and community-building activities, for example. Though a signature on our DoN isn't required for us to offer that hand of friendship, it indicates that the signatory recognizes and shares that goal, as well as being a token of mutual respect. Given that there is little cost to doing so, many alliances (and some independent nations!) have elected to advance diplomatically in that fashion.
And at last, I realize some of these surely are old and even tired questions for your diplomatic corps, so thank you ahead of time for any consideration of these questions.I'm simply a curious bystander who finds neutrality on Bob both intriguing and terribly problematic.
We're always happy to explain ourselves to those who are curious; thank you for your questions.
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Thanks, everyone! This is truly an historic milestone for us; we'd love for you all to come celebrate with us! Absinthes on the house!
o/ GPA!
* Peace Works! *
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Merry Christmas, dudes, and a happy new year!
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I'm very glad we could achieve peace on this, and I hope this signals the beginning of a period of rebuilding for the GPA and friendship between all involved.
o/
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Well.... Not to be rude, but when you even have to "take a hard look" at what to pick, when one of the options is not neutrality... well... Then GPA has truly lost...
- Kuru
No rudeness taken.
I totally agree; we are at a crossroads, deciding whether to really be the GPA or some other alliance with the same name. -
I request NPO members act respectfully towards GPA in this thread as the removal of Valid is a good thing and they should be respected for it
This is true class. You get my respect right back at ya! -
Well... I have some thoughts, and I kind of have to share them.
Kuru, you make a very good point here. We definitely have two very different factions, and the friction between them has caused a lot of problems. We really do need to take a hard look at who we want to be and choose one.
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Congratulations, NPO. You guys have your stuff together and you totally deserve top spot. Here's to a bright future.
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PS: GPA you can come out of Defcon 1 now and hippy mode.
Lol.
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It's a streetlight.
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Thanks everyone for your wishes. I hope we can earn them.
Will Valid be remaining within your alliance?Valid has decided to leave our alliance.
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The GPA comfirms this announcement.
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I'm afraid I have to take off as well. Thank you all for your concerns.
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"oh well, we didn't really mean 30,000,000, its negotiable"
At this point, the numbers aren't really negotiable. When they can be paid is.
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I'm honestly wondering how it will work logistically, when their highest nation is 18k.
To tell you the truth, me too. All I can say is that we will be willing to work out a deal with them. If we do so and make it public, we'll let you know.
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So this is a sham announcement. Because you'll be waiting a long time.
No, they'll be required to show a willingness to cooperate on their part as well. I'm sorry if this all sounds like platitudes, but we haven't actually started negotiations, so we just don't know the details of any agreement we'd work out.
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How does this work?
I'm asking this as a serious question, as it's a major logistical flaw with this. I doubt NoV plans on giving them up any time soon, so it's not like you'll be able to wait. Furthermore, some alliances don't like having aid and tech sent out from those they are hitting, as it's preventing them from take it.
How are you planning on getting around it?
We'll wait, if necessary. We'll try to be patient and understanding.
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So, in order to get the payment, you'd need to protect your investment, right?
Are you going to declare on NoV if they agree to these terms?
No, any other interactions LSF has with other alliances are none of our business. NoV can feel free to perma-ZI every LSF member if they wish. It's not really an investment for us; if we can't get the money back, that's just life.
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Since there is no government it seems, would you be allowing nations to surrender or pay individualized reps to prevent war?
Right now, we're only considering terms on an alliance level. Should that fall through, we will consider how to treat individual nations and if need be announce it at that time.
Would you also help that nation gain peace with NoV and allies?Probably not; those wars aren't really our business.
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There is no 1 government member to contact. As they don't have a government structure.
This doesn't excuse them from their responsibilities. Hopefully they will be able to work out something, that's what alliances do.
The reps are unreasonable .The reps are neither reasonable nor unreasonable: they're just numbers. We, however, are reasonable and as we've repeatedly stated we will be willing to work out a deal that will be acceptable (and possible) to both sides. We do not wish to set a crushing burden on them, and we'll work with them to make sure that doesn't happen. I'm not sure of any way to make this more plain.
I totally agree; we are at a crossroads, deciding whether to really be the GPA or some other alliance with the same name.
This is true class. You get my respect right back at ya!
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My personal pick for GPA would probably be Peace Train, but I haven't heard anybody else suggest it. Other people have suggested been Boom-de-Yadda (the Discovery Channel version), War! (by Edwin Starr), and Imagine.