[ARES-GDI Treaty]

Good luck with the upgrade.

o/ ARES

o/ GDI

[Soldier Terms]

Awww, I can't go back?

[The last dance at the Abortion Disco]

This is a great pity.

[My Turn]

I've always hated you since you first put rick rolls in your CN sig.

This thread warmed my cold heart.

It would be an honour to become more disliked than you Ephie.

More fail from jack the great not surprising .

Great to see SC was a success also.

It was nice to know you Jack.

I have so many things to say here but I will keep it to a minimum.

Yes I knew the secret. I have known for awhile. Guess I should get rolled too huh? Oh wait...About that Glad I could be trusted though.

It is sad to see you go out in the same fashion I did. We both got screwed over by one person yet when we showed the public about it, they obviously side with those in power. It happens. Don't let it bother you.

I think Caesar put it best awhile back. CN has double standards. I am not sure if YC ever had any ZI sentences against him but I'm willing to bet there were some damn good reasons he didn't want his identity known. Misr is not even getting it as bad as you are in the long run. The community is doing what it does best and band wagoning against you.

With that I wish you farewell. I think you share my sentiments about coming back now.

Believe me, I do share your sentiments.

This game has been ruined, like you rightly put it; double standards. The coalition will always be favoured in practically every way until the day they are overtaken or defeaten.

You are a fool, Jack, but at least a persistent one. Always you have good intentions, but they are ruined by your inexperience.

Maybe so.

Good luck with Vox.

[My Turn]

This has to be about the worst revenge ever.

1) Your reputation has now completely tanked, down from hanging on by a thin thread.

2) No one cares, afaik, about the reincarnation of YC.

Its like pointing a gun at someone, saying "You sure you want to do that?" then when he does, shooting yourself in the foot.

1. I don't care.

2. I don't care about that either. I don't get satisfaction from seeing him 'suffer', but I get satisfaction from showing the world who he really is, just like he did to Misr. But thats not the only thing I reveal in my logs.

I honestly had a good laugh at this trainwreck. Jack no one cares that the player behind YC and Slevin is one and the same, most people knew anyway.

Get your game on son, before you perform a log dump because most people in this game hate dumpers.

This isn't a log dump, its a full response to the logs TPF posted.

Much like the rest of his CN career, I don't think Jack knows what he is doing, he just imitates others without understanding the reasons.

Thats quite entertaining coming from someone like you. I think you and the 75% of other people who have no idea of the full story of this situation need to GTFO of this thread and take a look in the mirror someday and see that they are arrogant, egotistic, know-it-alls.

Oh yeah. I went there.

[To clear it all up once and for all]

But Jack also stated in one of these many threads that he knew we knew we he lied to us,

What?

[My Turn]

If he had done nothing after you said that. Not gone public not done ANYTHING involving you or the AUT...would you have made this log dump?

If the answer is no, then you were blackmailing him. Because his failure to act in the way you wanted caused you to release these logs.

If he had never done this, life would still be continuing as usual. But when he approached me on IRC, by this point mhawk already knew that AUT was infact Misr, I learnt he had shown all our logs to mhawk. He betrayed my trust in him. He promised not to tell anyone. Therefore, he is at fault. Therefore, my acts were out of revenge, not blackmail.

[Should Misr accept peace?]

Jack's actions lying, deceit, and blackmail actually cause Soldier to get hit.

Lying: I lied for the good of Soldier, so that we wouldn't be attacked. Little did I know that mhawk already knew.

You are being extremely hippocritical when you are telling me to be trustworthy and that I should not have told Slevin, yet then you are telling me that I should tell mhawk about it? Of all people...

Misr wants what is best for Soldier. You want what is best for yourself. Guess who has my respect.

I see and at what point did you assume I wanted what was best for myself and didn't want to help Soldier? Was it the part where I left Soldier, quit the game and wished them all the best in future?

[Should Misr accept peace?]

I believe TPF already said Soldier is off the hook and that they only want Jack.

Would I go to ZI for my alliance? YES!

Would I go to ZI for the guy who ratted me out and got my alliance rolled? lolno

The fact Soldier is getting rolled is not my fault. It is TPF's fault for their unfair punishments.

Speaking of unfair punishments, why is Misr on EZI for going rogue when YC also went rogue, and received no such punishment? BTW for people who don't know yet, YC = Slevin

[To clear it all up once and for all]

I missed anywhere in there where TPF was disrespectful to you...

You apparently managed to piss off one of their closest allies and didn't seem to see what you did wrong. I've been in those kinds of situations before and usually it's a little miscommunication that is easily sorted out with patience or by a 3rd party. (In this case, your protector) Instead, you acted like you were being hassled and that your precious time was being wasted. If you don't want to waste time, you're playing the wrong game. You would have better served your alliance by simply acknowledging that there was a conflict, apologizing that you're unavailable, and setting a date and time for a new meeting to discuss the issues.

Instead, you stammered and whined that it was New Years and you had stuff to do. Then you kinda sorta barely apologized. From where I'm standing, you were the person in that log without respect.

Bottom Line: When your protector tries to help you, don't act like they're wasting your precious time.

I didn't 'whine' that it was new year and I apologise that I have a life and actually do have things to do on new year other than listen to TPF and Co. actually whine at me. Also, you didn't see anywhere that TPF was disrespectful to me? Are you kidding? Take a look at the part where he says he would drop us like a greasy !@#$ and then get back to me. And finally, our protector wasn't trying to help, nor were they being of any help whatsoever. All I got from that discussion is that TPF sees us as a greasy !@#$ and doesnt even consider us to be allies.

[To clear it all up once and for all]

How dare you blame mhawk for ducking out of a diplomatic situation, when you yourself were the one ducking out, by lying to us!

Mhawk was quite clearly trying to stall time until AUT was no longer a threat, nor did he attempt to try and sort out the situation diplomatically like you said we would if we had been honest from the start. You may deny this, but I am only making these assumptions like you are, assuming that I was trying to blackmail Slevin.

Mhawk along with the rest of TPF are nothing but hippocrits.

1. You are the #2, you are in fact a leader of Soldier, when AUT is not around, you are THE leader.

2. Honesty is the best policy.

3. Okay?

4. You did in fact blackmail him, with info. Just because it didn't work, doesn't mean that it wasn't blackmail.

5. Because of your actions of lying, deceit, and blackmail as a leader of Soldier.

1. AUT was around at the time.

2. Honesty is the best policy for getting someone on EZI revealed.

3. Glad you agree.

4. It wasn't blackmail. I'm not going to explain again as I already have, be ignorant if you wish.

5. Exactly, so that is my fault, not Soldier's.

We don't know if we would have given you protection. But, we sure as hell wouldn't have rolled you. We would have had no reason to roll you had you been honest. Misr isn't on our lists, and in fact he will be given peace soon enough, BECAUSE of his honesty.

Misr is on EZI. Which list he is on is irrelevant.

FOR THE LAST TIME GUYS. Misr is not on our ZI lists. For his honesty, he will be given peace after one round of attacks. Jack is going to ZI for lying and blackmailing our member. Soldier is getting attacked for their leader's actions of lying, deceit, and blackmail. Soldier will be given peace shortly for their great handling of this situation, and immediately booting both of them. Both Soldier and TPF realize it's an alliance worth saving.

Why is Soldier getting attacked for something I are said to have done?

Why the hell did I give you a shoutout

[My Turn]

Yes we have proof.

Lets see it then.

[TPF cleaning house]

Lets try a analogy that works better. lets say you gave someone you talk with a bit but havent met your bank account password, should you be surprised when you find all your money gone? Sure he took your money which was wrong, but could he have done it if you didnt give him the information to do so?

In the words of Gunnery Sergeant Hartman "I hate a unlocked foot locker"

Even with your analogy, it is my stupidity for giving him the password yet he is the one who actually commited the offense and he is the one who would be at fault.

YOU are under ZI. You are being attacked for lying to mhawk. Who made you lie? Surely that's someone else's fault too.

Yes, it is me under ZI for lying to mhawk in order to defend TheAUT's identity and to protect Soldier from attack.

[TPF cleaning house]

He could not be without you giving him the ability to be. Once you accept this you will be a better leader.

So are you suggesting that the one who gave the knife to the murderer, is the one who is responsible or who is 'more at fault'.

[TPF cleaning house]

If YOU had keep YOUR mouth shut Slevin would never had been a issue. This whole mess starts with you and your inability to keep a secret, a secrect which could and has caused your demise. Only as a leader your inability to keep quiet has also caused destruction for all those who trusted you.

We both have the inability to keep a secret, it would seem.

I tell one person, who told me that he would not tell anyone and who I thought I had established trust with. Yet, he then ended up informing the entire world and now Soldier is being attacked and me and AUT are under ZI. So as you can see, I am at fault, but he is 'more at fault' than I am.

[TPF cleaning house]

The logs have been read. When it comes to disrespect, unloyalty and dishonor I suggest you find a mirror.

If you could have keep your mouth shut would any of this be happening?

If Slevin had stuck by his word, none of this would be happening either.

This is hilarious, Jack's denial is pure comedy genius. Jack has proven that he isn't above deceiving protectors before and Yala is, well, Yala. A match made in heaven. Have fun TPF.

Okay so at what point did I try to deceive MHA?

[My Turn]

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=38663

Can someone explain to me why YC is not on the EZI list for going rogue just like Misr did?

[My Turn]

Also as the situation was prviate it shall remain that way.

In that case the rest of the CN public will have to stick by the evidence that I have shown, meanwhile you sit in private with your evidence that you claim to possess.

[My Turn]

These quotes from your own logs prove me right. You outright threaten to %&$^ him over, and we can safely conclude that, given "And I'm sure that the world would just be dying to here.", you intend to do so by revealing his past identity, seeing as how you have no other damning information to use against him. Logs would be needed to provide any credibility if you were to make such a claim, so you did in fact threaten to release the logs.

Would you like to try again?

Yes, I did tell him that I would be releasing the logs. But you have yet again failed to either understand what I am trying to say or not responding with what is necessary. At what point did I state that if the logs were to be given to mhawk I would then in turn make his identity public? The answer is: I didn't. I just made it very clear that I would $%&@ him over. I don't care if I didn't do much damage, if any at all. But it just felt fair to return the favour to Slevin, and let the world know who he really is too.

[TPF cleaning house]

Another falls victim to the disease known as the Tarja Turunen Syndrome. Soldier thought about what they did for TPF rather than what TPF did for Soldier.

What TPF did for Soldier? Read these logs I just posted. They have given us nothing but disrespect, unloyalty, and dishonour. Poor show TPF. You disappoint me.

[To clear it all up once and for all]

So a might is a justification to lie to people?? I becasue you might not jump out of peace mode I should lie to you?? Let me show you how it is done.

Jack, When you come out of peace mode we will attack you and ZI you. No if ands or buts about it.

There is no way on this earth that TPF would in a million years ever give us protection if they knew that Misr was running the alliance. However, over the past month or so, TheAUT has proven that he is a different person IC, regardless of things OOC.

As for me, I am aware I am on ZI and I will be coming out of peacemode to receive my just treatment from my honourable and respectful protectors. Oh wait....

MOD EDIT: you may repost the logs without the IPs

How respectful. So much for us being your allies too.

[My Turn]

Just because you implied it instead of having the nerve to make an open threat doesn't mean it wasn't blackmail.

To suggest I implied it is merely your opinion, yet I have shown you fact.

With that said, you obviously implied the you would release logs if i told mhawk about you knowing who misr's new persona was. If you are to dumb to realize this i don't know what to tell you.

I did not at any point state that if you did give the logs to mhawk that I would tell the world you are YC. Besides, mhawk knew already

Jack the Great...if you ever do come back to CN after this is all said and done i will ZI you myself, WELCOME TO MY EZI LIST.

Good to know.

[To clear it all up once and for all]

So you hoped into your time machine went back and tried it?? We might not have given you the protectorate, then again we might have gotten Misr removed form the EZI list and gave you one. You don't know, because you didn't give us a choice, you lied about it.

The Phoenix Hungers

Exactly.

(Not a one word post)

[My Turn]

#1 Who cares if Slevin is YC?

He/someone obviously does, otherwise he'd be open about it.

#2 The logs about chefjoe and noWedge are inaccurate, not suprising because YC never had reason to be told the whole story. I don't believe that Elysium even existed at the time of the Legion coup incident and his actions toward Elysium were the single most compelling piece of evidence at the time of removal.

I assume you have proof? Because the logs I have shown are the only evidence so far.

[To clear it all up once and for all]

What if you look your protectorate in the eye and tell them bad things about your own allies, advising them not to get relations with people that are supposed to be your friends? What do you deserve then?

In response to this:

Session Time: Wed Dec 24 00:00:00 2008

[00:05] <mhawk> howdy

[00:05] <mhawk> whats up

01[00:06] <Jack[sldr]> Hey there.

01[00:06] <Jack[sldr]> I just wanted to ask about a treaty.. again

[00:06] <mhawk> rok?

01[00:06] <Jack[sldr]> Since you're MDoAP partners with RoK, and we're also beginning to like them

01[00:06] <Jack[sldr]> Lol, how did you guess?

[00:06] <mhawk> I've been talking to hoo for a bit

01[00:06] <Jack[sldr]> Oh right.

[00:06] <mhawk> if you could wait for tomorrow for me to finish up some stuff with him

01[00:06] <Jack[sldr]> Okay.

Session Close: Wed Dec 24 00:17:18 2008

[23:21] <TheAUT[sldr]> I got some realllll interesting stuff

[23:22] <TheAUT[sldr]> <TheAUT[sldr]> Hi mhawk.

[23:22] <TheAUT[sldr]> <TheAUT[sldr]> Whenever you come back I just have a question to ask, thanks.

[23:22] <TheAUT[sldr]> <TheAUT[sldr]> What would you guys say if Soldier were to sign a treaty with Ragnarok.

[23:22] <TheAUT[sldr]> <mhawk> have they been approaching you?

[23:22] <TheAUT[sldr]> <TheAUT[sldr]> No, we aproached them.

[23:22] <TheAUT[sldr]> <mhawk> I'd say that currently it would not be wise

01[23:22] <Jack[sldr]> Oh god.

[23:22] <TheAUT[sldr]> They're MDoAP partners too!