Lurunin Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 [OOC]thx for clarifications on the viceroys issues guys[/OOC] [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1301779321' post='2683063'] You mean the war won't end if NPO has no intention of meeting peace terms? That's a serious shocker! What are we supposed to do in that case? Our enemies just don't feel like doing stuff, so we're required to give them white peace? It doesn't work that way. If it did, nothing but white peace could even exist. People would just say "Nah, don't feel like paying reps. White peace me, bro." Is it seriously our fault if enemies just shake their heads at every offer? We're the ones imposing eternal war if our enemies just refuse anything but white peace? We aren't obligated to offer white peace. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris9_9L2.jpg[/img] [/quote] the $%&@ are you talking about? I'm just stating that this could turn into another VietFAN, not that people would turtle until white peace [quote name='Lord Gobb' timestamp='1301779445' post='2683065'] That is how NPO works. We however are Doomhouse, and we don't work that way. [/quote] proof? this war was started over past grudges and paranoia, not "they are threatening us with war and are prepping to start one" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefspari Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 [quote name='Lurunin' timestamp='1301781327' post='2683075'] the $%&@ are you talking about? I'm just stating that this could turn into another VietFAN, not that people would turtle until white peace [/quote] If it "turned into another VietFAN" it would be NPO's doing. We aren't opposed to giving them peace (and have already offered terms). If it was drawn out while they sat in peace mode longer, that would be their decision, not ours. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL4.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zeke+ Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 [quote name='Lord Boris' timestamp='1301778669' post='2683056']That said, kudos on keeping this massive trainwreck going for so long.[/quote] Just a trainwreck? More like a trainwreck of toxic flammable pesticides that caught fire resulting in a ruptured natural gas line, resulting in a huge explosion that caused a massive sinkhole that swallowed the burning toxic neighborhood, resulting in a weak spot on the local plate fault lines, resulting in an earthquake that caused also caused a tsunami and massive loss of coastal infrastructure, resulting in a huge global economic meltdown, resulting in a global nuclear war, resulting in spinning the planet off its axis into the sun, resulting in the sun going critical into a nova, killing all life for many light years in every direction. Yeah, that kind of trainwreck..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurunin Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 and the reason they are given term is because: 1- they were attacked out of grudges/paranoia 2- while being extremely disadvantaged they percentage of their nations into peace mode to make sure they have some way to rebuild after this what else am i missing? there is no reason for this war to go on any longer than it alrdy is, hell it should have ended back with the VE-NpO conflict since many of your members kept arguing that they worked hand-in-hand together...destroying more of their NS does nothing but breed more hate...if/when another power balance happens you can bet they'd be getting retribution for your actions with this war... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1301769537' post='2682976'] Maybe we're more responsible with our power and won't use it to install viceroys, force disbandment, or eternal war. The lesser of two evils. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL3.jpg[/img] [/quote] Viceroys have been stricken from this world by the almighty Admin and his angels. as for forced disbandment, won't get into that since i still state that it is impossible to do this. Eternal War is a misnomer since FAN obviously got peace at some time, regardless of length (yes, 2 years was way too long but it was not this supposed Eternal War cuz if that is true, then FAN would still be getting stomped on by NPO). So, other than viceroys which are now stricken from use, it appears that the other two examples are wanting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRena Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1301781790' post='2683080'] If it "turned into another VietFAN" it would be NPO's doing. We aren't opposed to giving them peace (and have already offered terms). If it was drawn out while they sat in peace mode longer, that would be their decision, not ours. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL4.jpg[/img] [/quote] The terms you offered where 'come out of peace mode and fight for 2 weeks' which would hurt rebuilding or was there something else? That and you want reps from their allies right? [right][IMG]http://i54.tinypic.com/2uihd9w.jpg[/IMG][/right] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefspari Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 [quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1301784371' post='2683093'] The terms you offered where 'come out of peace mode and fight for 2 weeks' which would hurt rebuilding or was there something else? That and you want reps from their allies right?[/right] [/quote] What we offered was they actually fight in a war they were fighting, in which they'd know how long and approximately how much damage they'd take (and have the chance to inflict damage in return). Reps would hurt rebuilding too. If you're opposed to all terms besides white peace then there's no point discussing terms with you in the first place. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris9_9L1.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRena Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1301784760' post='2683097'] What we offered was they actually fight in a war they were fighting, in which they'd know how long and approximately how much damage they'd take (and have the chance to inflict damage in return). Reps would hurt rebuilding too. If you're opposed to all terms besides white peace then there's no point discussing terms with you in the first place. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris9_9L1.jpg[/img] [/quote] If you had been attacked or had a reason that affected your alliances secruity and not on that basis that you [i]thought[/i] they [i]might[/i] enter, then I wouldn't be opposed to reps, but you are the aggressors, offering terms for a war [i]you[/i] started with the phrase "EVERYTHING.MUST.DIE" so yeah, the only terms that would be fair is white peace, anything else is like stealing the nerdy kids lunch money. [right][IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/sg51ti.jpg[/IMG][/right] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borsche Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 [quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1301786458' post='2683116'] If you had been attacked or had a reason that affected your alliances secruity and not on that basis that you [i]thought[/i] they [i]might[/i] enter, then I wouldn't be opposed to reps, but you are the aggressors, offering terms for a war [i]you[/i] started with the phrase "EVERYTHING.MUST.DIE" so yeah, the only terms that would be fair is white peace, anything else is like stealing the nerdy kids lunch money. [right][IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/sg51ti.jpg[/IMG][/right] [/quote] To be fair, if NPO didn't want their lunch money stolen they shouldn't have been such nerds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zeke+ Posted April 2, 2011 Report Share Posted April 2, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1301784760' post='2683097']What we offered was they actually fight in a war they were fighting.....[/quote] Perhaps you mean fight the war the way your side wants to fight it? The majority of our nations are fighting. If all you wanted to do was fight then you know what to do. Reduce your nations. But you don't like that idea because it makes you vulnerable from attacks from above. Such a novel thought. Who would have thought of that? Us perhaps? Admin forbid we think along the same lines and try to preserve our ability to rebuild. It all begs the question why your crew keeps arguing the same spin. After several months we still haven't fallen for it. We are still at the same arguments we hashed in February. At what point do you either try a new offer or accept the stalemate? If the latter then leave off the same tired spin and just fight the war we give you. You made your offer. We rejected it. Live with the results or try another offer. Anything else is just a waste of OWF pixels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefspari Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 [quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1301786458' post='2683116'] If you had been attacked or had a reason that affected your alliances secruity and not on that basis that you [i]thought[/i] they [i]might[/i] enter, then I wouldn't be opposed to reps, but you are the aggressors, offering terms for a war [i]you[/i] started with the phrase "EVERYTHING.MUST.DIE" so yeah, the only terms that would be fair is white peace, anything else is like stealing the nerdy kids lunch money. [/quote] Then we're agreed; you think the only reasonable term is white peace. So we have nothing to discuss. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-L5.jpg[/img] (OOC: Both you and HoT have started copying me, I'm glad to have started such a trend!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williambonney Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 [quote name='LittleRena' timestamp='1301786458' post='2683116'] If you had been attacked or had a reason that affected your alliances secruity and not on that basis that you [i]thought[/i] they [i]might[/i] enter, then I wouldn't be opposed to reps, but you are the aggressors, offering terms for a war [i]you[/i] started with the phrase "EVERYTHING.MUST.DIE" so yeah, the only terms that would be fair is white peace, anything else is like stealing the nerdy kids lunch money. [right][IMG]http://i53.tinypic.com/sg51ti.jpg[/IMG][/right] [/quote] That just makes too much sense, they'll never be able to figure that one out. What I'm more curious to know is that if everything must die, does that include them or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefspari Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 [quote name='William Bonney' timestamp='1301791576' post='2683165'] That just makes too much sense, they'll never be able to figure that one out. What I'm more curious to know is that if everything must die, does that include them or what? [/quote] Eventually, yes. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeriswutL1.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williambonney Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1301769537' post='2682976'] Maybe we're more responsible with our power and won't use it to install viceroys, force disbandment, or eternal war. The lesser of two evils. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aerisdisL3.jpg[/img] [/quote] [ooc] I had a friend once, asked me for ten bucks to score. "just this one time, I swear" he said. You can guess where it went from there. [/ooc] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRena Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1301790962' post='2683157'] Then we're agreed; you think the only reasonable term is white peace. So we have nothing to discuss. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris-_-L5.jpg[/img] (OOC: Both you and HoT have started copying me, I'm glad to have started such a trend!) [/quote] Bluntly, yes but I would say white peace was the only reasonable term if you had been attacked in the same manner. [right][IMG]http://i55.tinypic.com/14b3l8k.jpg[/IMG][/right] [ooc]I think it's a nice trend, I like VG Cats (I don't like Leo though ): )[/ooc] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefspari Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 If we had been attacked, and lost, we would have to meet the attacker's expectations in terms of reps to attain peace. Just because we don't "like" the reason we were attacked doesn't mean we'd refuse to do anything to meet peace terms. After all, nobody ever enjoys the CBs used against them, and being attacked. They [i][b]always[/b][/i] whine. Just because you think only white peace is deserved doesn't mean it's going to happen. You can say "NPO deserves white peace" if you want, but they have another thing coming if they think if they just wait long enough, it'll fall in their lap. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeriso_oL4.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1301792588' post='2683180'] If we had been attacked, and lost, we would have to meet the attacker's expectations in terms of reps to attain peace. Just because we don't "like" the reason we were attacked doesn't mean we'd refuse to do anything to meet peace terms. After all, nobody ever enjoys the CBs used against them, and being attacked. They [i][b]always[/b][/i] whine. Just because you think only white peace is deserved doesn't mean it's going to happen. You can say "NPO deserves white peace" if you want, but they have another thing coming if they think if they just wait long enough, it'll fall in their lap. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeriso_oL4.jpg[/img] [/quote] So basically you are writing a blank check for GOONS now? Can't wait until GOONS loses a war and is forced not only to have to fight for another month but also to have to pay 4 billion in reps and hopefully 100% of their tech for life since ya know, you stated that you would [i]have[/i] to meet the attacker's expectations in terms of reps to attain peace. amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefspari Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 [quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1301793269' post='2683188'] So basically you are writing a blank check for GOONS now? Can't wait until GOONS loses a war and is forced not only to have to fight for another month but also to have to pay 4 billion in reps and hopefully 100% of their tech for life since ya know, you stated that you would [i]have[/i] to meet the attacker's expectations in terms of reps to attain peace. amirite? [/quote] Are you saying I'm stupid for admitting that if GOONs loses a war we'll have to do something to get peace? Actually I'd like to see that; how far do you think "GOONs doesn't feel like meeting any peace terms and thinks we deserve white peace" would get us? [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeriso_oL2.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattski133 Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1301793269' post='2683188'] So basically you are writing a blank check for GOONS now? Can't wait until GOONS loses a war and is forced not only to have to fight for another month but also to have to pay 4 billion in reps and hopefully 100% of their tech for life since ya know, you stated that you would [i]have[/i] to meet the attacker's expectations in terms of reps to attain peace. amirite? [/quote] One thing; I don't believe we asked for reps from NPO...and so far the offers accepted by those exiting I thought were pretty reasonable. I don't know what was offered to the other guys so far, if anything. I'm grasping your point here I think. You can't wait for someone to bring the old ways back. Got it. Editting for leaving out a word or two. Edited April 3, 2011 by mattski133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o-dog Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1301792588' post='2683180'] If we had been attacked, and lost, we would have to meet the attacker's expectations in terms of reps to attain peace. Just because we don't "like" the reason we were attacked doesn't mean we'd refuse to do anything to meet peace terms. After all, nobody ever enjoys the CBs used against them, and being attacked. They [i][b]always[/b][/i] whine. Just because you think only white peace is deserved doesn't mean it's going to happen. You can say "NPO deserves white peace" if you want, but they have another thing coming if they think if they just wait long enough, it'll fall in their lap. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeriso_oL4.jpg[/img] [/quote] So you attack NPO without provication and you still think they're in the wrong? The old GOONS had it. You guys got your treaties. So, tell me, why do GOONS think NPO deserves to pay you anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattski133 Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) [quote name='O-Dog' timestamp='1301796202' post='2683227'] So you attack NPO without provication and you still think they're in the wrong? The old GOONS had it. You guys got your treaties. So, tell me, why do GOONS think NPO deserves to pay you anything? [/quote] We're not asking for anything but war from NPO, from what I gather in the OP. Editted for caustic attitude. Edited April 3, 2011 by mattski133 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleRena Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 (edited) [quote name='mattski133' timestamp='1301796355' post='2683229'] We're not asking for anything but war from NPO, from what I gather in the OP. [/quote] You are from their allies though who are only honouring treties, maybe if you offered something better to NPOs allies, who clearly don't want to leave the war without NPO leaving the war. [right][IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/98r6t4.jpg[/IMG][/right] Edited April 3, 2011 by LittleRena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o-dog Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 [quote name='mattski133' timestamp='1301796355' post='2683229'] We're not asking for anything but war from NPO, from what I gather in the OP. Editted for caustic attitude. [/quote] I guess you'll do what you're told to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustIncredible Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 [quote name='Lurunin' timestamp='1301769549' post='2682977'] [quote]We near the end. The end of forced disbandment. The end of terms that cripple alliances forever. The end of silence for fear of persecution. The end of the influence of those who would overthrow these goals in favor of their own return to power. The end of cowardice. The end of myth and fear. The end of this war.[/quote] [/quote] Ohh.. I like that quote... I like this one too... [quote name='TheNeverender' timestamp='1240293085' post='1436061'] [b]You believe you can have your way without consequences in this world. That is not the case.[/b] We are Karma incarnate, and we stand in solidarity here today to decree that this action shall not stand. You will pay for what you have done. On behalf of Karma, [i]Archon[/i] [/quote] Wonder how they're gonna feel when Karma bites them in the ass. [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1301784760' post='2683097'] What we offered was they actually fight in a war they were fighting, in which they'd know how long and approximately how much damage they'd take (and have the chance to inflict damage in return). Reps would hurt rebuilding too. If you're opposed to all terms besides white peace then there's no point discussing terms with you in the first place. [img]http://meru.xfury.net/images/aeris/aeris9_9L1.jpg[/img] [/quote] You mean you offered for them to fight a war you started, how you want, when you want, where you want, for the length you want or keep getting rolled until you decide otherwise. Might makes right... right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonic Posted April 3, 2011 Report Share Posted April 3, 2011 [quote name='O-Dog' timestamp='1301796202' post='2683227'] So you attack NPO without provication and you still think they're in the wrong? The old GOONS had it. You guys got your treaties. So, tell me, why do GOONS think NPO deserves to pay you anything? [/quote] Please stop, if you lay any more of your extremely dense posts out in this thread, it might collapse into a black hole of bad posting. We are asking no money of NPO, *Nobody* is asking for money from NPO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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