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Announcement of Peace between The Stickmen and The Killer Turtle Brigade


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[quote name='supercoolyellow' timestamp='1300045919' post='2663231']
You may not have known this, but TKTB has some other allies in this war as well.
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Not ones we're at war with, more importantly their CB against SLCB was to defend TIO, even more importantly it doesn't matter what you think.


[quote name='ditchboy00' timestamp='1300054919' post='2663407']
indeed the key for the winning side is to find an alliance to peace out early so they can say you had your chance of white peace with such and such. that way when not everyone is ready to leave with that alliance you can just give some numbers of reps and pretend like you offered white peace. reps are fine just dont pretend you offered white peace.
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Well we did offer white peace, as you know full well. See ya.

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[quote name='Faust Betreur' timestamp='1300058070' post='2663443']
Not ones we're at war with, more importantly their CB against SLCB was to defend TIO, even more importantly it doesn't matter what you think.



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Implying what you think does matter?
You sir, should be a comedian.

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This "No white peace?" complaining needs to stop. When you sign treaties you make a choice. You're lending another alliance a certain degree of power and you should be, at least partially, responsible for their actions. People here endlessly complain about the treaty web, yet it wouldn't be so tangled if defending an ally had consequences. Not only that, but this moronic attachment to "always white peace" serves as no deterrent to continuing the conflict. An alliance who is doing damage and taking damage would be mad to surrender when they know they're going to get an offer of white peace down the road. And with no real consequences defending your ally is more routine than it is honorable. Something shouldn't be deemed worthy of high praise when it becomes par for the course. This isn't kindergarten, sometimes there needs to be a loser.

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[quote name='ditchboy00' timestamp='1300054919' post='2663407']
indeed the key for the winning side is to find an alliance to peace out early so they can say you had your chance of white peace with such and such. that way when not everyone is ready to leave with that alliance you can just give some numbers of reps and pretend like you offered white peace. reps are fine just dont pretend you offered white peace.
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In this case SLCB did more than pretend to offer white peace, they actually did offer such a type of peace. Its a lot more pretending. And yeah if you are sticking it out longer than the alliance you came in to defend, they have a right to charge you for the additional warfare as you obviously aren't in it for your stated CB, but for another reason entirely.

Anyways you are saying that SLCB was wrong to offer you white peace to begin with. Its not that the reps are wrong, its that they gave you a chance to exit without reps that is wrong. A silly standpoint, but I won't begrudge you for holding that sort of opinion.

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[quote name='Bergerland' timestamp='1300059543' post='2663472']
This "No white peace?" complaining needs to stop. When you sign treaties you make a choice. You're lending another alliance a certain degree of power and you should be, at least partially, responsible for their actions.[/quote]

So you're preaching guilt by association. What would you say then if I reminded you that VE themselves were once allied to the great Hegemony that oppressed us all?

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[quote name='Omniscient1' timestamp='1300071369' post='2663979']
So you're preaching guilt by association. What would you say then if I reminded you that VE themselves were once allied to the great Hegemony that oppressed us all?
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NPO wouldn't have been anything without the other alliances propping it up. So yes, there should be at least some guilt derived from association, or at least for decided action.

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[quote name='Bergerland' timestamp='1300073237' post='2664027']
NPO wouldn't have been anything without the other alliances propping it up. So yes, there should be at least some guilt derived from association, or at least for decided action.
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So are you advocating your own alliance's punishment? :P

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[quote name='Felix von Agnu' timestamp='1300075874' post='2664118']
It's sad that redemption can only be found through punishment and not atonement.
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I agree, so this kind of brings us full circle doesn't it. Instead of punishing every single alliance who happens to be on the wrong side of the war let some of them go and prove their not evil. Only fry the big the fish.

Problem solved?

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[quote name='Faust Betreur' timestamp='1300058070' post='2663443']
Not ones we're at war with, more importantly their CB against SLCB was to defend TIO, even more importantly it doesn't matter what you think.




Well we did offer white peace, as you know full well. See ya.
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The issue that arises with your claim is not that anything that you've said is inherently false, but it is misleading. Yes, SLCB offered white peace to TKTB when TIO peaced out, and yes it was honorable, and sure you would be justified if all had happened exactly as you're leading on. If TKTB was only at war with SLCB and no other alliances, it would have made sense for them to peace out with you and the war entirely, but that was not the case.

TKTB was also at war with iFOK, something which I'm sure someone else has pointed out. Had TKTB accepted your offer of peace at the time that The Imperial Order accepted your offer of peace, they would have also had to accept peace with iFOK. Being that TKTB is also allied to Polaris, they wished to continue to fight iFOK for as long as we were still in the war.

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