Freelancer Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Good Morning, ghouls, goblin and trolls, I’d like to begin with allot of this will be OOC hence forth the reason it’s here in the OWF. This would have most likely been done earlier this week; however the ides’ of March among us left me physically unable to do so. (Winter flu kicked my ass ) I’ve always found the best way to clear the air among friends is a transparent view, out in the open, let the chips fall where they may sort of speak. Our departure from Chestnut was a fast and quick decision made in less than an hour, when we want to get !@#$ done, its gets done with a quickness, we don’t $%&@ around and obviously from our response we’ve created quite a bit of controversy. What I’m ‘hoping to accomplish from this thread is a civil, I repeat the word civil dialogue of the events that transpired so when in all comes out, were able to point a finger and say it’s his, hers of their fault. Anyone that truly knows Freelancer and his OOC persona, knows there are certain things I’m not going tolerate and I will use every available resource to stop that action or at least throw one hell of a monkey wrench into that cog. We at The Brain house some of the most devious players this game has had the privilege to know, HOWEVER, those days for us have been over long ago, to be frank we should delete our nations and turn the Brains forum into an OOC board for us friends who have managed to remain that way even in the face of adversity. 98.9 percent of The Brain is all adults, so game play time for us is limited and access to us is somewhat sporadic, though most of us check in at least once a day, so it’s not like we’re totally unreachable. Let’s get to the fun stuff shall we, So we hear about the war, hell were down, CSN were so tight with you, someone could piss on Shane’s car and we may be able to activate our MDP, there not going to do anything crazy that would have us hanging in the wind , would they ? So we get word, psychosis, (yes that his new name and I will refer to him as just that) is planning the whole thing, given his track record with military ops, what could go wrong? I’m writing this on the fly so if dates and days get mixed up there you have it. The night we were supposed to declare I’m out with the ole lady just finished dinner ½ in the bag, get home, when I hop on the board hit irc where I send a query to a reliable and old source to get a little insider information, who then agrees to give me a call, you heard that right an actual real time phone call, highly political figure who I then ask, OK what the $%&@ is actually going on, of course I get the low down of Polar’s unfortunate !@#$%^&* CB and all that jazz, but this is what got my full attention … “Free here’s what you’re not seeing “ The exit plan after the war expires will have The Brain holding the bag for the entire thing putting all the blame and its entirety on you guys. As you can imagine my first reaction was,” who does this little snot nose !@#$%^& things he’d dealing with”? I then sent a message to our MoD without any approval from the Central Nervous System and took full control of The Brain that evening, the message conveyed went something like this if I recall. Were being played by GOD, halt all operations till the am. I wanted everyone up to speed, needless to say that didn’t quite happen the way it should, we went in the following AM supporting CSN’s war declaration on LoSS, we kept to ourselves during the week engaging our target list, the following week, Goose and I were having a friendly chat while discussing a few OOC things and obviously the war with LoSS at which point was the first time I heard of a white peace with LoSS, I then responded, good I’m ready to crawl back in my hole anyway, he then says “so am I” during the conversation The Dark Templar declares war and well I was a little tipsy at my desk and really didn’t want to deal with that, so off I went. We remained engaged with LoSS for another 2 weeks at which point I hit the OWF and read one hell of a smear campaign preformed by The Dark Templar, at which point I contact Xiao and directed him to that thread, we were both in agreement that this isn’t us and it’s something we sure didn’t want to be associated with. That night I hit up Goose in IRC and stated “ I LOL at all of this, how does it feel being the new pric of CN” Being one that has made numerous of political blunders I found it quite amusing that someone like Goose found himself right in the middle of a political !@#$ storm. Goose has always managed to keep himself untarnished out here in the public eye, so you can imagine someone who’s had to bail me out 100’s times; I enjoyed the shoe being on the other foot. “ Goose “ I know you very well, there’s a few thing I really need to know. So I’m going to ask them right here in from of everyone. 1 Who’s idea was it to Force that 40K Tech? 2 Liz ? If I would have pulled what she did while you and I were in Gov back in the day, you’d called your father to drive down to hit me in the head with a baseball bat hopefully to knock some scene into me. Now I can appreciate you standing by her, hell you guys were quite pissed when theragu40 did his thing regarding me, I get it, however promoting her and then rubbing it in the PUBLICS face, was a not what I call a wise choice. As for The Brain’s recent grandstanding, it’s been brought to my attention that we wouldn’t be !@#$ without Xiao, perhaps, but none of us are stupid by any means, we’ve seen the writing on the wall and I have to be honest the path you guys recently took just isn’t us at least not anymore. Let’s get the obvious out the way right now; you’re going to want to know who called me? I won’t tell you that, however highest level on SF gov, could I have been fed false information? Absolutely, however when we get tid bits like this? What would you do ? [quote] Xiph's days are numbered from what I am hearing there are a lot of unhappy people, and without the muscle of SF to back his shens he might be in some deep poop. [b]I got an eyeful of him when I was at rok gov during the nso war, hes a piece a work. [/b]I respect his consistency and I am shocked people put up with it this long. [/quote] I thought of The Brain and its members first and foremost and we’d rather have sediments such as this than any power the biggest block could ever achieve. [IMG]http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd139/freelance_r/classact.png[/IMG] The Goose I knew in the past used to think that way. For the first time in 5 years I want nothing do with this sphere, were seriously contemplating moving off it. If anyone has any questions, I will answer them as truthfully as I can to the knowledge I have surrounding them, if this turn into a pissing match, I'll walk away and let the thread die. I will not divulge any of my sources so don't bother asking, I'm left in a little pickle here, As soon as The Good Friar returns from his sabbatical, I feel he may not like what has transpired and we made our decisions on his well being as much as our own, he still does provide The Brain Spiritual Guidance. Quote
Freelancer Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='NorthernLights' timestamp='1299954057' post='2661643'] He got an eyeful, huh? [/quote] The person who conveyed that message to us sure did, so I took it on it's merit. Quote
Lord Brendan Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Freelancer' timestamp='1299952226' post='2661610'] I’m writing this on the fly so if dates and days get mixed up there you have it. The night we were supposed to declare I’m out with the ole lady just finished dinner ½ in the bag, get home, when I hop on the board hit irc where I send a query to a reliable and old source to get a little insider information, who then agrees to give me a call, you heard that right an actual real time phone call, highly political figure who I then ask, OK what the $%&@ is actually going on, of course I get the low down of Polar’s unfortunate !@#$%^&* CB and all that jazz, but this is what got my full attention … “Free here’s what you’re not seeing “ [b]The exit plan after the war expires will have The Brain holding the bag for the entire thing putting all the blame and its entirety on you guys. [/b] As you can imagine my first reaction was,” who does this little snot nose !@#$%^& things he’d dealing with”? I then sent a message to our MoD without any approval from the Central Nervous System and took full control of The Brain that evening, the message conveyed went something like this if I recall. Were being played by GOD, halt all operations till the am. [/quote] How does this seem remotely plausible? You really think that all of Maroon would be saying "oh we really didn't want to enter on VE's side, but the Brain attacked so we had to follow"? I really don't see how this is an OOC thread. Edited March 12, 2011 by Lord Brendan Quote
Freelancer Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Lord Brendan' timestamp='1299954869' post='2661651'] How does this seem remotely plausible? You really think that all of Maroon would be saying "oh we really didn't want to enter on VE's side, but the Brain attacked so we had to follow"? I really don't see how this is an OOC thread. [/quote] LB, this is a little of both, you don't think those are questions we didn't ask ourselves? The one thing that made this theory plausible in our eyes was the so called instance that we went in first, which by the way, what would of it mattered ? LB, I've made this thread on my own accord, hell I'm sure the boys don't even know about, at least not yet. This has got be the hardest thing I've done in the game, I would have never imagined this 6 months ago. Quote
Lord Brendan Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Freelancer' timestamp='1299955307' post='2661661'] LB, this is a little of both, you don't think those are questions we didn't ask ourselves? The one thing that made this theory plausible in our eyes was the so called instance that we went in first, which by the way, what would of it mattered ? LB, I've made this thread on my own accord, hell I'm sure the boys don't even know about, at least not yet. This has got be the hardest thing I've done in the game, I would have never imagined this 6 months ago. [/quote] You had to go in first because you were the first in the chain, nobody else had a direct treaty justification to enter where we did. Personally I've always favored honest coalition warfare to ghost DoWs and treaty chains a mile long, so I'm not too upset that things went down as they did. But the attempt to make a treaty chain into the war (in the places we were needed) for all of Maroon was clearly not some kind of sinister plot to blame everything on The Brain. The fact that this isn't an official announcement doesn't make it OOC. Should be in World Affairs or a blog, IMO. Edited March 12, 2011 by Lord Brendan Quote
Freelancer Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='mythicknight' timestamp='1299956763' post='2661684'] Keep it thick Freelancer [/quote] [b]Always ![/b] Another fan, contributing to the 11th commandment of CN. "Free shall get away with it" How many times have you bailed me out ? I've lost count. How the hell ya been old friend ? Quote
Freelancer Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Lord Brendan' timestamp='1299957404' post='2661702'] You had to go in first because you were the first in the chain, nobody else had a direct treaty justification to enter where we did. Personally I've always favored honest coalition warfare to ghost DoWs and treaty chains a mile long, so I'm not too upset that things went down as they did. But the attempt to make a treaty chain into the war (in the places we were needed) for all of Maroon was clearly not some kind of sinister plot to blame everything on The Brain. The fact that isn't an official announcement doesn't make it OOC. Should be in World Affairs or a blog, IMO. [/quote] Help me out here, cause frankly I didn't even pay attention to the DoW's none of it mattered to us, we were backing your play no matter what. How were we first in the Chain if we were backing your play ? Quote
Lord Brendan Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Freelancer' timestamp='1299957845' post='2661710'] Help me out here, cause frankly I didn't even pay attention to the DoW's none of it mattered to us, we were backing your play no matter what. How were we first in the Chain if we were backing your play ? [/quote] Well, none of us at the time had a direct treaty tying us to the LoSS-Hydra war, but as LoSS was one of the larger alliances on their side and they would presumably have supported GATO in their war against RIA, it was necessary to hit them. Presumably the treaty chain was meant to be Hydra-SLCB-Brain-Chestnut. Seriously though, aren't these questions you should have asked [i]before[/i] canceling treaties? Quote
Ogaden Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Lord Brendan' timestamp='1299958547' post='2661716'] Well, none of us at the time had a direct treaty tying us to the LoSS-Hydra war, but as LoSS was one of the larger alliances on their side and they would presumably have supported GATO in their war against RIA, it was necessary to hit them. Presumably the treaty chain was meant to be Hydra-SLCB-Brain-Chestnut. Seriously though, aren't these questions you should have asked [i]before[/i] canceling treaties? [/quote] Just let it go dude, just let it go. It's better this way. Quote
Il Impero Romano Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Freelancer' timestamp='1299952226' post='2661610'] So we get word, psychosis, (yes that his new name and I will refer to him as just that) is planning the whole thing, given his track record with military ops, what could go wrong? [/quote] You begin with a false fundamental premise here. I'm sorry, and I know it may throw a wrench into your attempt at portraying Xiph as some evil puppet master, but he did not do the planning for this war, or the last, etc. General deployment planning has been done by some sort of shady figure wearing a copper head gear, aided mainly by a small european woman and another individual who suffers from craniofacia . As for the rest, well, when you start off with an error like that, I'm not so sure its wise to just take your word for it. Quote
Max Power Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Lord Brendan' timestamp='1299958547' post='2661716'] Well, none of us at the time had a direct treaty tying us to the LoSS-Hydra war, but as LoSS was one of the larger alliances on their side and they would presumably have supported GATO in their war against RIA, it was necessary to hit them. Presumably the treaty chain was meant to be Hydra-SLCB-Brain-Chestnut. Seriously though, aren't these questions you should have asked [i]before[/i] canceling treaties? [/quote] That is one convoluted treaty chain. You were better off just declaring. Quote
Freelancer Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='James Dahl' timestamp='1299958836' post='2661718'] Just let it go dude, just let it go. It's better this way. [/quote] It is, that I won't deny, however when you know people for as long as we have known members of CSN, 5 years is hard to throw away in my eyes. Quote
Lord Brendan Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Max Power' timestamp='1299959083' post='2661722'] That is one convoluted treaty chain. You were better off just declaring. [/quote] Meh. Someone in Maroon has some kind of weird obsession with mapping treaty chains, does it really matter? In the end we [i]did[/i] just declare. Quote
Freelancer Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1299959019' post='2661721'] You begin with a false fundamental premise here. I'm sorry, and I know it may throw a wrench into your attempt at portraying Xiph as some evil puppet master, but he did not do the planning for this war, or the last, etc. General deployment planning has been done by some sort of shady figure wearing a copper head gear, aided mainly by a small european woman and another individual who suffers from craniofacia . As for the rest, well, when you start off with an error like that, I'm not so sure its wise to just take your word for it. [/quote] Impero, when this was all going down, we were told point blank Xiph would be planing this whole thing, as I said I will answer any question I can truthfully and honestly as I know of them. Xiph has made for some intersting things here in CN, I will never deny him of that, however what I've seen and how he operates I put nothing past his ablities and reacted to protect my home. Quote
Cobalt Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1299959019' post='2661721'] aided mainly by a small european woman [/quote] I didn't know goldie was involved Quote
Il Impero Romano Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Tungsten' timestamp='1299959921' post='2661732'] I didn't know goldie was involved [/quote] Wrong woman. Quote
Demag Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Lord Brendan' timestamp='1299958547' post='2661716'] Well, none of us at the time had a direct treaty tying us to the LoSS-Hydra war, but as LoSS was one of the larger alliances on their side and they would presumably have supported GATO in their war against RIA, it was necessary to hit them. Presumably the treaty chain was meant to be Hydra-SLCB-Brain-Chestnut. Seriously though, aren't these questions you should have asked [i]before[/i] canceling treaties? [/quote] There wasn't a chain to begin in the first place the MD clause in The Brain-SLCB treaty is pretty specific: [quote] [b]Article V[/b] - [i]On the subject of Martial Collaboration[/i] FROM the Tumor to the Great White, the signatories understand that there are always dangers in the world. Should the worst happen, and a signatory find itself under attack, the signatory may request military assistance from the countersigned. The countersigned shall acquiesce to any such request within 24 hours. Should the attack be due to treaty obligations external to this agreement, the countersigned shall have the ability to deny the request without being in violation of this agreement.[/quote] It would of required LoSS to attack SLCB to activate it. As to the rest well it seems a shame when all would of taken was a few in-game PMs to inform The Brain the exact role in the war effort this could of been avoided considering the importance CSN held the chain to be. Personally, I would of preferred CSN to just say we preempted you to stop you declaring on RIA rather than the Coalition Warfare BS and those logs to make it more personal than it had to be. Quote
Lord Brendan Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Demag' timestamp='1299962156' post='2661775'] There wasn't a chain to begin in the first place the MD clause in The Brain-SLCB treaty is pretty specific: It would of required LoSS to attack SLCB to activate it. As to the rest well it seems a shame when all would of taken was a few in-game PMs to inform The Brain the exact role in the war effort this could of been avoided considering the importance CSN held the chain to be. Personally, I would of preferred CSN to just say we preempted you to stop you declaring on RIA rather than the Coalition Warfare BS and those logs to make it more personal than it had to be. [/quote] It would have been non-mandatory for sure, but I think it still works out. The logs were just for fun, obviously not to be taken seriously. And preempting you to stop your declaration on RIA [i]is[/i] coalition warfare. Quote
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 LB, that [i]is[/i] one heck of a convoluted chain. Not the best i have seen mind you but its close. What was wrong with the new fad of pre-empting enmasse? Quote
Lord Brendan Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' timestamp='1299963623' post='2661812'] LB, that [i]is[/i] one heck of a convoluted chain. Not the best i have seen mind you but its close. What was wrong with the new fad of pre-empting enmasse? [/quote] Nothing if you ask me. But I am not in charge of such things, and even if I don't see the need, I see no harm in having a treaty chain to point to. Edited March 12, 2011 by Lord Brendan Quote
Xiphosis Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 [img]http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4892/lolwutpeark.jpg[/img] This whole thread. Couple things: [list] [*]Chestnut's entry was planned a while in advance. The entire bloc chimed in, including Shane - who's been The Brain's rep for ages and ages. The plan was subject to change by anyone, and I said as much, but it was logical so no one had any issues. The first we heard of any objections was the night everyone was suppose to roll, and I don't know how that realistically can be mine, or indeed the blocs, fault. It's your reps job to communicate to us how the alliance felt. [*]More importantly, why on Earth would I want to saddle you with anything? [/list] I think someone played with your head here quite a bit. Quote
Goose Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 Free, I honestly don't know what you're talking about. How the hell do we saddle The Brain with anything? How do we plan for DT to come in and attack us via an ODP on the losing side? I don't know who told you anything, but they sold you a line of !@#$%^&*. Why didn't you come find me and ask me about it? The entire plan was that we would be at war with LoSS for a week or two until they were ready to leave on white peace. LoSS' MDP or better allies were already engaged elsewhere. We were not expecting anyone to come in on an ODP to take a shot at us. How does that leave The Brain being at fault for anything other than fighting on our side in a large-scale war. Hell, it was you guys during the first round of peace negotiations that were unhappy with a flatout white peace as you wanted snark and humor. I just... I don't understand what the hell you're thinking. As to your questions for me, the reps were my idea. I was most displeased with DT's entrance via an optional treaty, and their attempts to slink off after a single round of war with no consideration for LoSS their supposed great ally they came to defend. Perhaps I should have simply gone with no terms available at this time until I was more satisfied with the pound of flesh I'd taken from DT. However, I didn't want to deal with the outcry of eternal war, and forced disbandment. It was a damned if I did, damned if I didn't situation. I chose to offer a large punitive reparations amount as an exit point for DT that early in the war instead of flatout refusing peace terms. In regards to Liz' outburst, I take very little umbrage with it. Just 48 hours earlier they were ready to agree to 30k in reps. They then somehow decided they were in a position to demand white peace and an apology from us. I don't really know how you can't be upset with such a blatant insult. I wouldn't have been very upset even if you had done it. Lastly, why the hell didn't you come and speak with me about any of this? Quote
Delta1212 Posted March 12, 2011 Report Posted March 12, 2011 I very seriously hope this thread is a joke or I just lost a lot of respect for the intelligence of the people running your alliance. Disagreements or not, I refuse to believe this is your actual thought process. Quote
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