Dem Redcoats - OOC

[Zoot Zoot]

Right, with all the bickering, particularly between myself and Fizzy and occasionally Rotavele, ive decided to make this thread to keep the war thread clean.

Now then, issues raised so far are;

[b]Fizzys accusations against me Godmodding;[/b]

I contest this accusation on the grounds that to be frank, men shooting AK47's and RPG's from seven blocks down the street are only going to kill through a lucky hit.
Later in the RP in regards to the district fighting, I must apologise for not putting in a casualty list, my bad and I will pay further attention to detail from this point onwards, but the war is moving too fast for a ninja edit a page behind to matter.

[b]Request to Fizzydog[/b]
A retcon of the VX attack on the city.
My reason for the VX retcon is simply that we have both been idiots in regards to this, me not reading properly/responding accordingly (which has been rectified), might aswell make the war fun whilsts it lasts pal. You still have a whole country yet, two cities being lost is nothing.

If there are any more issues, please post them here.

Wars been a huliation of several members of this community, myself included for OOC bickering and name calling pretty much ruining it.
Lets keep this fun and clean.

[Fizzydog]

Retcon of the VX attack? I'll retcon it, but only if you all agree that when I do launch them you will not shoot them down. If not, no deal.

[Zoot Zoot]

Deal.

What about a one on one private surface naval battle?
Like I said in the war thread, Aging ships anf theyre not as experienced as the ground troops.

[Fizzydog]

Of course.

[Zoot Zoot]

Crackin.
Back on track

Right can somebody do a condensed state of affairs regarding Rotaveles Nation?
Preferable not Rotavele due to his inability to make sense.

[Markus Wilding]

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1299019108' post='2648643']
OOC: Im assuming hes going to accept hes lost or hes taking 3 hours to find an excuse as to why he wouldnt lose the battle,
[/quote]
I have a 4-hour rehearsal that I had to attend after I made that post. A bit of patience would be nice.

Now, as for my soldiers, they are armed with assault rifles and various other small arms and small artillery. You don't know my army, don't act like you do. Post real casualties for your side and I will respond in proper to your attacks. Also, I have not attacked Luanda yet. If you read my battleplan, you would see that the attacks you just responded to are divisionary attacks, meant to make you divert your army elsewhere. The troops I sent to Luanda have not landed yet.

Thanks for trying, buddy boy.

[Yawoo]

[quote name='Fizzydog' timestamp='1299020315' post='2648674']
Retcon of the VX attack? I'll retcon it, but only if you all agree that when I do launch them you will not shoot them down. If not, no deal.
[/quote]

I'm assuming this only applies to if you target your own cities? Please clarify for the rest of the participants.

[Beauty]

[quote name='Zoot Zoot' timestamp='1299115028' post='2650233']
The 80 enemy fighters that were appearing in the battlespace wouldn't stand a chance against the massed fighters of the RAF.

The 5th gen F-22's remained unscathed by the hail of anti air weaponry and rose to meet the threat. Using standoff LRAAM's the hundred or so F-22's launched their missiles at the Fleuve fighters before breaking formation and moving high into the clouds. The enemy fighters hadn't fired yet which allowed the raptors to climb high above them before sweeping down onto and behind them using their AMRAM missiles.

The Typhoons remained at lower altitudes continuing the wipe out the enemy anti air units using lasers in their noses to guide submarine launched cruise Missiles onto the targets before firing more air to ground munitions.

The EA-18's continued jammed enemy radar and disrupting the accuracy of the enemy ground crews targeting which would minimise The rising British loses. Several EA-18's worked on disrupting the enemy jets radars and missile tracking,

Over the border in Angola, the B-2 fleet was rearming and reforming.

The B-1r's were already back in the air firing off their LRAAM's at the remaining enemy aircraft.

However, British losses were mounting. Over half of the fifty plane A-10 force had been shot down due to their slow speed compared to the jets and almost thirty FA-18's ere downed in their continuing ground attacks on the enemy ground forces which were attacking the Australians. The typhoons were nearly unscathed with only six planes shot down out of the hundred plane force.
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[img]http://i55.tinypic.com/29ypjrm.jpg[/img]

Please Edit Accordingly. Red = RPing my side. Black = RPing my Side as well as ignoring my 500 point technological advantage. Green = Good job! Im proud of you, Your improving and you get a sticker

[King Timmy]

Technology makes no difference.

The Red isn't RPing your side, he's RPing what actions his jets are taking and you hadn't RPed your jets firing (I think) so they havn't fired them yet.

[Fizzydog]

[quote name='King Timmy' timestamp='1299116650' post='2650288']
Technology makes no difference.

The Red isn't RPing your side, he's RPing what actions his jets are taking and you hadn't RPed your jets firing (I think) so they havn't fired them yet.
[/quote]
He's been yelled at for the [i]exact same thing[/i].

[Beauty]

[quote name='King Timmy' timestamp='1299116650' post='2650288']
Technology makes no difference.

The Red isn't RPing your side, he's RPing what actions his jets are taking and you hadn't RPed your jets firing (I think) so they havn't fired them yet.
[/quote]

First World Nation (1500+ tech)
Inventions start coming from your nation, and you can build anything your heart can imagine*. You're still limited to IG levels of soldiers, tanks, nukes, CMs, etc. Now, [b]beyond this your tech level still matters for your army efficency[/b], but a lot less. Design statistics will matter less as there is an efficiency formula for your armies

*{To a technological limit of the year 2020, of course, within the rules of what can and cannot exist in CNRP, so no mechs, lasers, or rods from god}

[Fizzydog]

And yes, TE still plays a roll. Which makes me begin to wonder why Zoot is so destructive against me.

[Zoot Zoot]

Point one.
Tech doesn't matter anymore. RP quality wins wars. The nap thread guideline is out dated and has yet to be removed, but the TE no longer apples. Even if it did with 1500 being the ceiling, we would be on equal footing.

Point two

You didn't RP your plane engaging my fighters, that that they entered the battlespace.

Point three

You didn't counter my Electronic warfare attacks from the EA-18's or infact acknowledge them. Therefor their suppression of your systems continues.

Point four.

Read point three, just change EA-18 to Typhoon.


This is why full detailed responses like everybody elses are vital Rotavele.
A number of deaths and saying fighters appeared is a basic response, but unless all your bases are covered like we are doing, you leave yourself open to be essentially raped.

[King Timmy]

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1299116321' post='2650272']
The Bombs destroyed 2,400 homes, runways, and factories.
[/quote]
It's a bit excessive for 72 bombs lol. Anyhow, the lasers were aimed at "fortified positions, ammo dumps and anything that could be of strategic value." Not houses

[Zoot Zoot]

Also, fizzy
http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=99338&pid=2649587&st=0&#entry2649587

Naval battle.

[Beauty]

[quote name='King Timmy' timestamp='1299117336' post='2650324']
It's a bit excessive for 72 bombs lol. Anyhow, the lasers were aimed at "fortified positions, ammo dumps and anything that could be of strategic value." Not houses
[/quote]


[quote]First World Nation (1500+ tech)
Inventions start coming from your nation, and you can build anything your heart can imagine*. You're still limited to IG levels of soldiers, tanks, nukes, CMs, etc. Now, beyond this your tech level still matters for your army efficency, but a lot less. Design statistics will matter less as there is an efficiency formula for your armies

*{To a technological limit of the year 2020, of course, within the rules of what can and cannot exist in CNRP, so no mechs, [b]lasers[/b], or rods from god}[/quote]

Lasers you say? Very well then lol. I dont really mind im just being a !@#$%*

[Sargun II]

That means ACTUAL lasers, like the ones used by the US army in testing to defend against missiles. Targeting lasers are fine.

[Triyun]

Lasers used for targeting are obviously allowed, which is what he was doing. What is not allowed is to use future proposed F-35s with laser weapons.

[Vedran]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guided_bomb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_designator

The rules/guidelines are talking about lasers used as weapons to burn through stuff, not lasers used to guide bombs.

[King Timmy]

No I was using laser bombs, is that not allowed?

[Beauty]

[quote name='King Timmy' timestamp='1299119687' post='2650444']
No I was using laser bombs, is that not allowed?
[/quote]

LOL


[quote name='Sargun' timestamp='1299117883' post='2650363']
That means ACTUAL lasers, like the ones used by the US army in testing to defend against missiles. Targeting lasers are fine.
[/quote]
[quote name='Triyun' timestamp='1299117950' post='2650366']
Lasers used for targeting are obviously allowed, which is what he was doing. What is not allowed is to use future proposed F-35s with laser weapons.
[/quote]
[quote name='Vedran' timestamp='1299119073' post='2650424']
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_guided_bomb
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_designator

The rules/guidelines are talking about lasers used as weapons to burn through stuff, not lasers used to guide bombs.
[/quote]

The rules never specified. Therefore my argument stands.

Edited March 3, 2011 by Rotavele

[Axolotlia]

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1299123775' post='2650614']
The rules never specified. Therefore my argument stands.
[/quote]

That is horrible logic...

By the way it says "To a technological limit of the year 2020" and we have them now (2011).

[Beauty]

[quote name='Axolotlia' timestamp='1299124034' post='2650624']
That is horrible logic...

By the way it says "To a technological limit of the year 2020" and we have them now (2011).
[/quote]

There is also a direct rule saying no lasers. Not No Bombing lasers, NO LASERS. No specification on what kind you can and cant have. [size="7"]NO[/size] Lasers.

[Axolotlia]

[quote name='Rotavele' timestamp='1299125627' post='2650695']
There is also a direct rule saying no lasers. Not No Bombing lasers, NO LASERS. No specification on what kind you can and cant have. [size="7"]NO[/size] Lasers.
[/quote]

Instead of addressing my point, you just repeated the argument which I have already said was lacking in logic.

[Vedran]

Yeah, nobody is taking you seriously broski, you're smarter than that.