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Message: A fighter escorted bombing run has been launched against your nation by uaciaut. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.00 infrastructure. You destroyed 0 attacking bombers. You lost 3 fighter aircraft and destroyed 1 fighter aircraft launched by uaciaut. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled. [/code]


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Message: A fighter escorted bombing run has been launched against your nation by uaciaut. In the attack you lost 0 defending tanks, 0 cruise missiles, and 0.00 infrastructure. You destroyed 0 attacking bombers. You lost 20 fighter aircraft and destroyed 2 fighter aircraft launched by uaciaut. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled. [/code]

1. I had my navy in battle support mode so i sent over 90 fighters and 3 bombers both times - this is the only part where i might be mistaken, if by any chance i am i'll be more than happy to apologize.

2. I nuked him beforehand so he really had a few planes left.

3. He has no AADN.

So how is no infra damage possible against a nation with no ADN, 40 fighters against a nation with 90+ fighters and 3 bombers, with more tech?

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[quote name='iMatt' timestamp='1297627448' post='2631347']
The only time when you're guaranteed to give *infra* damage is when the nation has 0 fighter aircraft, I think.
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Not even this, I have failed 2 AF attacks on 1 day with 2 bombers and no defending AF's.

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[quote name='iMatt' timestamp='1297627448' post='2631347']
The only time when you're guaranteed to give *infra* damage is when the nation has 0 fighter aircraft, I think.
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Unless he has a AADN am i not supposed to do infra damage with 100% certainty as long as he doesn't destroy my bombers?

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[quote name='Captain Nathan Brittles' timestamp='1297633479' post='2631455']
No. It's possible to simply miss the target.
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This doesn't make sense though, as long as my bombers are alive they should be able to do their jobs provided that fighters can support them accordingly. Attacking with 90+ fighters and 3 bombers a nation with a third that fighting capacity and further destroying it's aircraft while doing no infra damage makes 0 sense unless the fighters somehow got lost or something.

And as oink pointed out nukes never miss nations without SDI (the equivalent of which would be AADN), and neither do CM's. The closest analogy to this would be GA's ending in draws but even that's a strech since i'm still technically winning the air fights without doing any damage.

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[quote name='uaciaut' timestamp='1297636020' post='2631529']
This doesn't make sense though, as long as my bombers are alive they should be able to do their jobs provided that fighters can support them accordingly. Attacking with 90+ fighters and 3 bombers a nation with a third that fighting capacity and further destroying it's aircraft while doing no infra damage makes 0 sense unless the fighters somehow got lost or something.

And as oink pointed out nukes never miss nations without SDI (the equivalent of which would be AADN), and neither do CM's. The closest analogy to this would be GA's ending in draws but even that's a strech since i'm still technically winning the air fights without doing any damage.
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CM's do miss. I had someone miss on me just last night.
[quote]Your nation has been attacked with a cruise missile by Frostfirefox. You lost 13 defending tanks, 2.66 technology, and 0.34 infrastructure. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.[/quote]
Compared to the usual:
[quote]Your nation has been attacked with a cruise missile by Frostfirefox. You lost 13 defending tanks, 2.66 technology, and 13.32 infrastructure. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.[/quote]
Though usually I've seen "misses" drop stats on all the numbers, not just infra. Still, it does happen, and the only thing that surprises me is that it happened twice in a row. I know I've gotten bombings that fail just as yours did, though I don't have reports on hand for those.

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[quote name='uaciaut' timestamp='1297636020' post='2631529']
This doesn't make sense though, as long as my bombers are alive they should be able to do their jobs provided that fighters can support them accordingly. Attacking with 90+ fighters and 3 bombers a nation with a third that fighting capacity and further destroying it's aircraft while doing no infra damage makes 0 sense unless the fighters somehow got lost or something.

And as oink pointed out nukes never miss nations without SDI (the equivalent of which would be AADN), and neither do CM's. The closest analogy to this would be GA's ending in draws but even that's a strech since i'm still technically winning the air fights without doing any damage.
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Well, nukes have quite a margin of error in regard to how close to the target they need to land to do damage over conventional bombing and CM's are basically the real world equivalent of smart bombs. I wasn't saying your bombers weren't able to do their job in that they failed to arrive at the target and drop their loads. They simply failed in dropping their loads on the target. It happens. It happens all too frequently in RL. In fact the game is rather generous in the ability of bombers to consistently hit a target over their real-life counterparts. There are a myriad of very plausible explanations based on real wars as to why bombing runs fail to hit their targets even if they're not facing active enemy resistance in the form of fighters or anti-aircraft defenses. Sorry, I don't see it as a stretch at all to have a small chance of totally missing the target due to weather, human error or any of the reasons a bombing run could fail to hit it's target. Sorry you don't see it making any sense.

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[quote]Your nation has been attacked with a cruise missile by Frostfirefox. You lost 13 defending tanks, 2.66 technology, and 0.34 infrastructure. Any existing peace offers that were on the table have been automatically canceled.[/quote]

This ^

Just because you have high odds on it being successful doesn't mean it will turn out well. I've lost GA's on 80% odds. I've lost dogfights with an very large advantage, losing a majority of my Air force compared to destroying a handful of the opponents.(granted these were in TE where I primarily play but I don't think there are any drastic differences between the battle system of the two besides numbers destroyed).

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I sent 67 level 9 planes in an escorted bombing run once, my enemy had 2 fighters defending.

He won. It' not just that I failed to do damage, he literally won. I lost two bombers and 10 fighters, he only lost 1 fighter.

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[quote name='Viluin' timestamp='1297653803' post='2632099']
I sent 67 level 9 planes in an escorted bombing run once, my enemy had 2 fighters defending.

He won. It' not just that I failed to do damage, he literally won. I lost two bombers and 10 fighters, he only lost 1 fighter.
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This could be due to techdifference.

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[quote name='uaciaut' timestamp='1297636020' post='2631529']
This doesn't make sense though, as long as my bombers are alive they should be able to do their jobs provided that fighters can support them accordingly. Attacking with 90+ fighters and 3 bombers a nation with a third that fighting capacity and further destroying it's aircraft while doing no infra damage makes 0 sense unless the fighters somehow got lost or something.

And as oink pointed out nukes never miss nations without SDI (the equivalent of which would be AADN), and neither do CM's. The closest analogy to this would be GA's ending in draws but even that's a strech since i'm still technically winning the air fights without doing any damage.
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tell your pilots to stop drinking the night before and to quit missing targets.

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[quote name='uaciaut' timestamp='1297626442' post='2631335']
So how is no infra damage possible against a nation with no ADN, 40 fighters against a nation with 90+ fighters and 3 bombers, with more tech?
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Aside from the fact that aircraft attack results are random and bombers can miss their targets just like in real life, my recommendation to you would be to increase the number of bombers that you are sending. You need to get your attack bombers strength as high as you can to maximize damage.

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[quote name='threefingeredguy' timestamp='1297797988' post='2634586']
Oh? When did you change that?
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I think there's a higher chance of hit when you send more bombers, but either 9 or 10 strength is required to do the max damage. Anyway, I tried this out with level 5 planes-- If I sent 2, they missed once the 4 bombings on aircraftless, AADN-less nations, but when I sent three and I hit all of them. The damage in infra was the same each time.

Although I'm not sure sending 50 bombers against a nation without aircraft of any type would miss in real life...

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Well right. I just mean when did this change happen? This is the first war I've ever seen bombers fail to destroy infra (it's happened like 3 times too). I have always used 1 bomber, so if this had been in the game in the previous wars I'm sure I would have noticed. I don't mind using more bombers, I'm just curious when that was changed and if admin has made other changes to military stuff without anyone knowing :ph34r:

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[quote name='threefingeredguy' timestamp='1297800194' post='2634614']
Well right. I just mean when did this change happen? This is the first war I've ever seen bombers fail to destroy infra (it's happened like 3 times too). I have always used 1 bomber, so if this had been in the game in the previous wars I'm sure I would have noticed. I don't mind using more bombers, I'm just curious when that was changed and if admin has made other changes to military stuff without anyone knowing :ph34r:
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I'm actually pretty new to the game, don't know.

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[quote name='threefingeredguy' timestamp='1297797988' post='2634586']
Oh? When did you change that?
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I've always been under the impression that 20 bomber strength was required to ensure max damage, and I've been playing for two years.

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[quote name='threefingeredguy' timestamp='1297800194' post='2634614']
Well right. I just mean when did this change happen? This is the first war I've ever seen bombers fail to destroy infra (it's happened like 3 times too). I have always used 1 bomber, so if this had been in the game in the previous wars I'm sure I would have noticed. I don't mind using more bombers, I'm just curious when that was changed and if admin has made other changes to military stuff without anyone knowing :ph34r:
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Nothing has changed. If you were getting successful hits with 1 bomber you just got lucky.

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[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1297818411' post='2634942']
I've always been under the impression that 20 bomber strength was required to ensure max damage, and I've been playing for two years.
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I don't think so...

I'll check on my aircraftless Legion targets after update...

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[quote name='oinkoink12' timestamp='1297749539' post='2634170']
This could be due to techdifference.
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I don't think tech has any effect on aircraft other than the damage your bombers do.


[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1297818411' post='2634942']
I've always been under the impression that 20 bomber strength was required to ensure max damage, and I've been playing for two years.
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Yeah I've always used 3 bombers.

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