deathcat Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 [quote name='KagetheSecond' timestamp='1297499619' post='2630186'] Good for you. Show TOP some love too please [/quote] Please bring back Neo.. We need more Neo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crushtania Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 I suppose the light will mostly be of a green hue, then... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobb Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Seeking assistance to finally get yourself disbanded? Good, you've chose the right alliance to declare on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Finally teh awr we should have had in worst war ever! DI TOOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Che Guevara Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Certainly wasn't expecting this, but oh well. Give 'em hell, TOOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Keshav IV Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Guess it's taken over a year for this declaration eh? Good luck out there folks, except Mia xD Edited February 12, 2011 by Sir Keshav IV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 At least someone has the balls to engage the alliances that are hitting NPO. You may be on the other side but good luck and I hope you get out in one piece. [quote]You are running on the assumption that the NpO-VE war/front is working with the NPO-Doomhouse war/front. They aren't.[/quote] If this is true then you are all more foolish than I thought possible. Like each other or not, you are all together in a losing coalition and you should be working together to get the best result possible for all of you. (I say 'losing' because if it's a clear win, like WotC, you don't really need to work together. Even in a close one, like the first few days of Karma, you must coordinate between people who don't really like each other to get a job done.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldConqueror Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Awesome, great to be fighting alongside you guys. Have fun out there TOOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balkan Banania Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 [quote]The Phoenix Federation is everything and more that I would want in an ally. [/quote] I couldn't agree more, happy to fight alongside you again...Have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Welcome to the war, TOOL. I wish I knew you guys better. Hi Mia; glad to see you back in Bama's alliance [quote name='Khyber' timestamp='1297496098' post='2630155'] I think his suprise is more based on the fact that they didn't take advantage of the situation PB was in and to give DH a run for their money while their allies are all tied up in the NpO front. [/quote] To use this strategy, which is not a great one anyway considering the tactical situation in the higher NS ranges, you would be assuming that Polar would not suddenly get a white peace offer and pull out of the war, leaving the other side stranded and vastly outnumbered. I mean, it's not like Polar had ever done anything like that before, is it? [quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1297511797' post='2630235'] Like each other or not, you are all together in a losing coalition and you should be working together to get the best result possible for all of you. [/quote] The reason NPO did not enter in the first place is because NpO was giving NPO allies the silent treatment before the Doomhouse attack, when they were the only targets of your bloc. This would be when they were fighting a defensive war by themselves, and were vastly outgunned. Still they preferred burning out there on their own to doing diplomacy. You think that now that NPO's been hit they're suddenly going to cooperate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebubu Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 You're not going to get out in one piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 [quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1297511797' post='2630235'] If this is true then you are all more foolish than I thought possible. Like each other or not, you are all together in a losing coalition and you should be working together to get the best result possible for all of you. (I say 'losing' because if it's a clear win, like WotC, you don't really need to work together. Even in a close one, like the first few days of Karma, you must coordinate between people who don't really like each other to get a job done.) [/quote] Except there is no real coalition. You use the term as though it actually has any meaning remotely applicable to what has happened in this war. It is nothing like Karma in which allainces united for a specific purpose. Unlike the "other side" we did not plan this war and many alliances were called in via treaties, not because there was a plan to save the Orders. To many on "my side" of this conflict this is a war to defend or assist a direct ally, not some sort of cause we are all rallying to because there is no specific cause uniting any of us. That is plainly evident by the peace agreements already announced. Trying to apply a coalition mentality to what is a group of alliances fighting for differing reasons is, to use your word, foolish. NPO and her allies may be acting as a small coalition (I have no idea as I'm not involved in that war and am only speculating based on the consistency of the tactics applied by the NPO and allies) but the NpO war/front is nothing like that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 [quote name='Haflinger' timestamp='1297513081' post='2630241'] Welcome to the war, TOOL. I wish I knew you guys better. Hi Mia; glad to see you back in Bama's alliance To use this strategy, which is not a great one anyway considering the tactical situation in the higher NS ranges, you would be assuming that Polar would not suddenly get a white peace offer and pull out of the war, leaving the other side stranded and vastly outnumbered. I mean, it's not like Polar had ever done anything like that before, is it? The reason NPO did not enter in the first place is because NpO was giving NPO allies the silent treatment before the Doomhouse attack, when they were the only targets of your bloc. This would be when they were fighting a defensive war by themselves, and were vastly outgunned. Still they preferred burning out there on their own to doing diplomacy. You think that now that NPO's been hit they're suddenly going to cooperate? [/quote] You really do post such crap, Haflinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Trail Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) finally someone has the balls to counter MK. But what can you expect from such classy people in tool, they will fight tooth and nail for you (hoho pun) Edited February 12, 2011 by The Trail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 [quote]Except there is no real coalition[/quote] That explains a lot of things. Is Karma really the only time in the whole of CN where a defending coalition will be formed with cohesive leadership and in-war planning? I suppose you could cite Bipolar, but both sides there were planned aggressors – the Polar-TOP coalition was mostly the same people as left over from the TPF war just before, and the people who came in to fight the other side were left over from the aggressive plans that war. Do you think most of Karma gave a crap about OV? No, of course not. But permitting that side to lose and lose badly would have made a lot of alliances' political position much worse. The same is true here for everyone on your side – the Orders' power spheres could only carry any influence because of the other, and by not working together when you're both under attack, the political position of every single alliance outside the PB-SF-C&G megacluster will end up worse than it should. Which is fine by me since I'm in PB, but really ... surely some people on your side realise that. Your idea of 'we'll just come in for our ally' are very nice and everything but they're badly outdated and result in a passive and fractured coalition that gets beaten worse than it should do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenann Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Welcome to the War TOOL. No matter what the other side says your actions are appreciated even if not for my alliance. o/ TOOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrash Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1297513607' post='2630244'] You really do post such crap, Haflinger. [/quote] Feel free to refute anything he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mompson Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Good luck TOOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCRABT Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 The veiled disbandment threats in here from some MK members are pathetic. Good luck to our allies in TOOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccabal86 Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Good luck out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mos Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Hmm, I take back what I said, Mia. Good luck, TOOL. o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arentak Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Enjoy the firestorm, TOOL. We know you guys stick to your treaties, and there's no fault there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 Good luck TOOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1297514211' post='2630247'] That explains a lot of things. Is Karma really the only time in the whole of CN where a defending coalition will be formed with cohesive leadership and in-war planning? I suppose you could cite Bipolar, but both sides there were planned aggressors – the Polar-TOP coalition was mostly the same people as left over from the TPF war just before, and the people who came in to fight the other side were left over from the aggressive plans that war. [/quote] I didn't say Karma was the only time any such thing happened. I only mentioned it because I was replying to your comment where you were trying to draw some parallel between the motivations for Karma and this war. [quote] Do you think most of Karma gave a crap about OV? No, of course not. [/quote] Karma wasn't fought for OV's cause. Don't insult most of the people here by trying to claim that was what the war was about. The war was about taking out the Hegemony and more specifically the NPO. The OV incident was merely the spark that started the fire, not the fuel that made it burn. [quote] But permitting that side to lose and lose badly would have made a lot of alliances' political position much worse. The same is true here for everyone on your side – the Orders' power spheres could only carry any influence because of the other, and by not working together when you're both under attack, the political position of every single alliance outside the PB-SF-C&G megacluster will end up worse than it should. Which is fine by me since I'm in PB, but really ... surely some people on your side realise that. [/quote] You cannot manufacture a cause out of nothing. The reality is that not enough alliances, even those fighting on the side of the NpO and/or NPO, give a rat's arse about the sphere of influence of the Orders. The Orders are not even a cohesive unit as you try and portray them and haven't been for some time. [quote] Your idea of 'we'll just come in for our ally' are very nice and everything but they're badly outdated and result in a passive and fractured coalition that gets beaten worse than it should do [/quote] My idea? I'm just calling it as it is. I wasn't aware I was the mastermind behind all this. Then again, I am always the last to find out. And, one last time, there is no coalition. Regardless of how you want to perceive it, this is two distinct wars as far as this side of the conflict/s is concerned. One based on a defence of the NpO from VE and allies' declaration of war and the other from Doomhouse's pre-emptive hit on the NPO. Both set off separate treaty chains that are independent of each other even if your side has cross-linked the two conflicts. Whether that helped or disadvantaged the side I'm on is really not through design but merely due to the way the chips have fallen. Edited February 12, 2011 by Tygaland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tygaland Posted February 12, 2011 Report Share Posted February 12, 2011 [quote name='Thrash' timestamp='1297515856' post='2630259'] Feel free to refute anything he said. [/quote] Easily. It is weak to state that because of what happened in Bi-Polar that the NpO are destined to switch sides again and leave their "coalition" partners stranded. It was just a pathetic cheapshot at Polar and nothing more. The reason the NPO did not enter in the first place is that they had no treatied reason to do so. Until one of their allies were involved (namely Legion and TPF) they had no reason to enter at all. Unless he was expecting the NpO to call in a non-ally in the NPO ahead of their actual allies in Legion? Doesn't make a great deal of sense to me. But I guess when you have pre-selected your scapegoat you have to then manufacture the story to go with it. Basically, Haflinger's post was just a lame "it's all NpO's fault" which, as I said, is crap. In one breath he tells us how, because of Bi-Polar, no one can trust NpO within a coalition and then in the next bemoans their lack of participation in a coalition that never did and still does not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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