Sulmar Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1296526934' post='2613744'] Yep. Polar is obviously getting reps, but there is no point to any fringe alliance having to pay anything...even NPO. [/quote] Um...Have you been reading the same OWF that I have? Cause I'm fairly sure that DH intends to have NPO pay a lot of reps, as well as reps from NPO's allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1296527069' post='2613746'] Um...Have you been reading the same OWF that I have? Cause I'm fairly sure that DH intends to have NPO pay a lot of reps, as well as reps from NPO's allies. [/quote] Have you actually asked them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktarthan Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1296527069' post='2613746'] Um...Have you been reading the same OWF that I have? Cause I'm fairly sure that DH intends to have NPO pay a lot of reps, as well as reps from NPO's allies. [/quote] The OWF is certainly the best place to get objective facts about the opinions of GOONS/MK/Umb et al. On another note, I now have the chance to nuke Rebel Virgina. Best. War. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulmar Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1296527206' post='2613748'] Have you actually asked them... [/quote] Nope. [quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1296527509' post='2613753'] The OWF is certainly the best place to get objective facts about the opinions of GOONS/MK/Umb et al. [/quote] I mean, I feel like if it's coming from GOONS/MK/Umb et al. then it should be pretty representative of those alliance's opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1296528557' post='2613773'] Nope. [/quote] Then you have no basis to say what they will/will not do. I have actually talked to members of doomhouse, and literally all of them have expressed that there is a widespread lack of desire for reparations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinite Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1296527509' post='2613753'] On another note, I now have the chance to nuke Rebel Virgina. Best. War. Ever. [/quote] So lucky! [/jealous] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1296531110' post='2613819'] Then you have no basis to say what they will/will not do. I have actually talked to members of doomhouse, and literally all of them have expressed that there is a widespread lack of desire for reparations. [/quote] I sincerely doubt DH will ask for anything beyond light reparations. Maybe FAN will though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulmar Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1296531110' post='2613819'] Then you have no basis to say what they will/will not do. I have actually talked to members of doomhouse, and literally all of them have expressed that there is a widespread lack of desire for reparations. [/quote] [quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1296529471' post='2613786'] We have charged reps to every alliance who has attacked us, regardless of reason, and I see no reason to change that policy now. [/quote] Sup? I'm going to assume when the leader of GOONS says something in public he means it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1296533103' post='2613869'] Sup? I'm going to assume when the leader of GOONS says something in public he means it. [/quote] He's talking about the people dogpiling GOONS, not NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulmar Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1296533317' post='2613884'] He's talking about the people dogpiling GOONS, not NPO. [/quote] Does that change the fact that reps are in fact a very real factor in this war, as opposed to what Hyperion suggested? Also, I'm sure I can find a number of quotes from Sardonic about getting reps from the NPO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1296533864' post='2613905']Does that change the fact that reps are in fact a very real factor in this war, as opposed to what Hyperion suggested?[/quote] Why are you using Hyperion's posts as an argument against mine again? [quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1296533864' post='2613905']Also, I'm sure I can find a number of quotes from Sardonic about getting reps from the NPO.[/quote] I invite you to try before shooting your mouth off about what you're "sure" you can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktarthan Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1296533103' post='2613869'] Sup? I'm going to assume when the leader of GOONS says something in public he means it. [/quote] Wow, the history books are already being rewritten to say that NPO attacked GOONS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulmar Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1296534280' post='2613925'] Why are you using Hyperion's posts as an argument against mine again? I invite you to try before shooting your mouth off about what you're "sure" you can do. [/quote] Because he stated that he didn't think anyone except Polar would be getting reps, and I was saying it was actually a very real possibility. That's why. If I have time I might take you up on that other offer as well. [quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1296534943' post='2613951'] Wow, the history books are already being rewritten to say that NPO attacked GOONS! [/quote] Is it better to demand reps from alliances that are only following treaty obligations? Also, why would I want to rewrite history that NPO attacked GOONS? You all handed me the history that I wanted. Edited February 1, 2011 by Sulmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord GVChamp Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 BiPolar was more fun. Polar was in a much better position at that point and VE did not have an overwhelming advantage. SUM and I were actually at a disadvantage in our targets (2v3, declared up, countered by higher level opponents, etc). And it was a nice, clean war, with no shens and a clear moral basis for action for VE. Good and proper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earogema Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) NoCB was most fun for me IMO. Buildup for UJW was also rad. BiPolar was hilarious, since I was in \m/ at the time. Came really close to UJW. Karma was a pretty cool guy too. Edited February 1, 2011 by Earogema Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikz Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Reps are for !@#$%*^, when coming from the aggressor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymenbreach Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 All wars are equally fun. Even if you lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironfist Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Personally I hope everyone in CN is ZI'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wishywashy Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Ironfist' timestamp='1296561783' post='2614574'] Personally I hope everyone in CN is ZI'd. [/quote] I would enjoy this. Possibly because I currently have like 50 infra. Edited February 1, 2011 by Wishywashy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 Despite popular belief, an Aggressor's demand is not automatically translated into an agreement. The other side has the ability to say no, a judgement based on the relative merits of getting peace with terms vs having war. Considering we were attacked for existing after completing our previous terms, we do not particularly take the view that further reps are going to improve our long-term situation compared to continued war, and would thus be very unlikely to accept anything of the sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wishywashy Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Letum' timestamp='1296588913' post='2614887'] Despite popular belief, an Aggressor's demand is not automatically translated into an agreement. The other side has the ability to say no, a judgement based on the relative merits of getting peace with terms vs having war. Considering we were attacked for existing after completing our previous terms, we do not particularly take the view that further reps are going to improve our long-term situation compared to continued war, and would thus be very unlikely to accept anything of the sort. [/quote] Glad to hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktarthan Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='Sulmar' timestamp='1296535327' post='2613956'] Is it better to demand reps from alliances that are only following treaty obligations? Also, why would I want to rewrite history that NPO attacked GOONS? You all handed me the history that I wanted. [/quote] I was trying to point out that Sardonic saying that we're going to charge reps from those who attacked us does not include NPO, as NPO did not attack us. It is true that we do seek reps from alliances that attack us, but we do try to make fair judgement of what we're owed. That being said, it's far too early in the game to be making definitive predictions about these sorts of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1296592932' post='2614945'] I was trying to point out that Sardonic saying that we're going to charge reps from those who attacked us does not include NPO, as NPO did not attack us. It is true that we do seek reps from alliances that attack us, but we do try to make fair judgement of what we're owed. That being said, it's far too early in the game to be making definitive predictions about these sorts of things. [/quote] Out of curiosity, what do you personally believe is fair reps for an alliance that came into the war on a defense treaty? Let's say TPF for the sake of discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktarthan Posted February 1, 2011 Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Hyperion321' timestamp='1296594312' post='2614970'] Out of curiosity, what do you personally believe is fair reps for an alliance that came into the war on a defense treaty? Let's say TPF for the sake of discussion. [/quote] For TPF specifically, at this point in time, I'd say somewhere around 200M (with some portion of that in tech). Plus at least one entertaining term. Size of the alliance is a big factor, as well as whether or not they take their upper tier out of PM. I enjoy reps more for their intrinsic value than their monetary, which is why I'm so flexible on the figure. Honestly I'm tempted to just ask for 90M from each alliance attacking us due to our "precedent." I'm more concerned about a sincere admission of defeat, plus whatever other poem or picture we ask them to do. That being said, there's a reason I prefer to keep myself far away from rep negotiations. Edited February 1, 2011 by ktarthan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperion321 Posted February 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2011 [quote name='ktarthan' timestamp='1296595705' post='2615008'] For TPF specifically, at this point in time, I'd say somewhere around 200M (with some portion of that in tech). Plus at least one entertaining term. Size of the alliance is a big factor, as well as whether or not they take their upper tier out of PM. I enjoy reps more for their intrinsic value than their monetary, which is why I'm so flexible on the figure. Honestly I'm tempted to just ask for 90M from each alliance attacking us due to our "precedent." I'm more concerned about a sincere admission of defeat, plus whatever other poem or picture we ask them to do. That being said, there's a reason I prefer to keep myself far away from rep negotiations. [/quote] Eh, personally I disagree with tacking on monetary reps just because they were too scared to use anything above 45k. The humiliation in accepting that they are too inferior to fight with anything but lowbies would be good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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