Wad of Lint Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Ironfist' timestamp='1295658548' post='2589994'] "VE did something mean". Yeah, Sir, complaining. I guarantee the greater population on "VE's side" don't care if it's all a set up. [/quote] Then why bother with a fake CB? Why not just declare war "for the hell of it"? Are they too cowardly to give into their passion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulmar Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1295658430' post='2589981'] It's also worth noting that the fact that it was a set-up or not is not an important debate to the core of the CB. Just as police may set up a sting operation, the only thing that matters is whether the criminals take the bait or not. People keep trying to push the debate back to whether or not VE set up the information. Whether true or not does not alter the legitimacy of the CB. As much as people want to prove or disprove it, it's completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that Dajobo directed Lennox at VE, and then happily accepted what he believed to be spied information. Whether the information was real, or whether Lennox was playing anyone, or whether VE gave to Lennox on purpose for a "sting" of some kind, are all completely irrelevant facts. The CB is that NpO condoned spying on VE. Which they did. That's it. [/quote] Lol ok, if by condone you mean that Impero gave Lennox screenshots of VE's warchest info and then Lennox c/p'd them into a query with Dajobo (which Impero had told him to do, by the way); then yeah, NpO condoned spying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banksy Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Lennox' timestamp='1295658460' post='2589985'] You both may be missing the point. Its simply a matter of where you upload the images or whatever file type you prefer. I uploaded my images to imageshack and flickr because Impero didn't want to use his own photobucket/flickr/etc.etc. account. This has nothing to do with file type, it has everything to do with trying to clean the blood off your hands. Edit: grammar [/quote] No, you don't understand. A .jpg file is completely different to a .png file. It is not just a matter of uploading it to a different provider. You actually have to edit the file and re save it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenu Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Silver Empress' timestamp='1295658577' post='2589995'] Sounds like a plan. I hope it works out well for you. [/quote] Seems to have been successful so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Expects Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1295658430' post='2589981'] It's also worth noting that the fact that it was a set-up or not is not an important debate to the core of the CB. Just as police may set up a sting operation, the only thing that matters is whether the criminals take the bait or not. People keep trying to push the debate back to whether or not VE set up the information. Whether true or not does not alter the legitimacy of the CB. As much as people want to prove or disprove it, it's completely irrelevant. [/quote] Entrapment is illegal in the civilised world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirWilliam Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Master-Debater' timestamp='1295658058' post='2589945'] Not all of them. Plus they went the long way to set people up and took the effort to make us all go "damn that was impressive" instead of "they are both idiots" like we are now. [/quote] Yes, all of them. Not a single questionable NPO war was met with overwhelming praise and support. People just weren't as vocal then lest their heads be the next to roll. And with that I'll recuse myself from the NPO tangent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The FSM Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1295658151' post='2589955'] So you thought It'd be a good idea to publicly post information we're already rolling Polar for taking? Most people dumping spied info are usually smart enough to try and hide their identities. [/quote] The point that many people are taking from this is that the 'information' you are rolling Polar for is really a poorly concocted sham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhawk Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1295658430' post='2589981'] It's also worth noting that the fact that it was a set-up or not is not an important debate to the core of the CB. Just as police may set up a sting operation, the only thing that matters is whether the criminals take the bait or not. People keep trying to push the debate back to whether or not VE set up the information. Whether true or not does not alter the legitimacy of the CB. As much as people want to prove or disprove it, it's completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that Dajobo directed Lennox at VE, and then happily accepted what he believed to be spied information. Whether the information was real, or whether Lennox was playing anyone, or whether VE gave to Lennox on purpose for a "sting" of some kind, are all completely irrelevant facts. The CB is that NpO condoned spying on VE. Which they did. That's it. [/quote] Would it matter if Impero originally directed lennox to dajobo with the mission of trying to get them into a war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennox Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295658649' post='2590002'] No, you don't understand. A .jpg file is completely different to a .png file. It is not just a matter of uploading it to a different provider. You actually have to edit the file and re save it. [/quote] Right, some of the images are hosted by me, and some are hosted by RV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefspari Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Wad of Lint' timestamp='1295658586' post='2589996'] Stings can also lead to entrapment, which is not legally acceptable. Bad example. [/quote] No it's not. Stings and entrapment are two different things. It was Dajobo's idea that Lennox approach VE. It's impossible for it to have been entrapment without the aid of psychic powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keenu Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1295658649' post='2590002'] No, you don't understand. A .jpg file is completely different to a .png file. It is not just a matter of uploading it to a different provider. You actually have to edit the file and re save it. [/quote] I think he understands that, he obviously changed the extension and re-uploaded them to clean the evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iosif Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Wad of Lint' timestamp='1295657721' post='2589922'] I'm glad to see the spirit touted in Karma still survives. [/quote] Whatever spirit you mean, chances are I didn't tout it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragashingo Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1295658430' post='2589981'] It's also worth noting that the fact that it was a set-up or not is not an important debate to the core of the CB. Just as police may set up a sting operation, the only thing that matters is whether the criminals take the bait or not. People keep trying to push the debate back to whether or not VE set up the information. Whether true or not does not alter the legitimacy of the CB. As much as people want to prove or disprove it, it's completely irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that Dajobo directed Lennox at VE, and then happily accepted what he believed to be spied information. Whether the information was real, or whether Lennox was playing anyone, or whether VE gave to Lennox on purpose for a "sting" of some kind, are all completely irrelevant facts. The CB is that NpO condoned spying on VE. Which they did. That's it. [/quote] No they didn't. In all the logs I've seen it's been Lennox who came to the NpO. Lennox who asked who to spy. Lennox who said he had screenshots. Lennox who posted them twice. Dajobo at one point said he could not support spying. The only thing he ever did was ask for the screenshots to be rehosted so they could actually be opened and that was before he knew what they were. He then answered Lennox's question about how the two alliance's warchests compared, but that's it. Impero was correct in one thing in his chat with Dajobo, he did already know the truth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardonic Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Nobody Expects' timestamp='1295658669' post='2590004'] Entrapment is illegal in the civilised world. [/quote] Well it's a good thing we don't live in one. Sting or no sting it still demonstrated intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypoNinja Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Wad of Lint' timestamp='1295658586' post='2589996'] Stings can also lead to entrapment, which is not legally acceptable. Bad example. [/quote] I don't recall ever reading that in the unabridged codex of law for planet bob. It could be because such a thing doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1295658729' post='2590011'] No it's not. Stings and entrapment are two different things. It was Dajobo's idea that Lennox approach VE. It's impossible for it to have been entrapment without the aid of psychic powers. [/quote] [color="#0000FF"]According to Lennox he was talking to Impero at the same time, maybe slightly before, he spoke to Dajobo.[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co God Ben Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 I'm glad my alliance leaders don't leak warchest information to their political enemies for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1295658931' post='2590021'] I don't recall ever reading that in the unabridged codex of law for planet bob. It could be because such a thing doesn't exist. [/quote] It's right after the entry on what makes a CB legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wad of Lint Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='TypoNinja' timestamp='1295658931' post='2590021'] I don't recall ever reading that in the unabridged codex of law for planet bob. It could be because such a thing doesn't exist. [/quote] I disagreed with a real world law example, so did you. So we both agree the example was bad. Good. Now we can move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefspari Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Ragashingo' timestamp='1295658836' post='2590018'] No they didn't. In all the logs I've seen it's been Lennox who came to the NpO. Lennox who asked who to spy. Lennox who said he had screenshots. Lennox who posted them twice. Dajobo at one point said he could not support spying. The only thing he ever did was ask for the screenshots to be rehosted so they could actually be opened and that was before he knew what they were. He then answered Lennox's question about how the two alliance's warchests compared, but that's it. Impero was correct in one thing in his chat with Dajobo, he did already know the truth... [/quote] You didn't read the logs hard enough then. 1) Lennox came to Dajobo; if this thread is any indication it was just to stir up trouble 2) Lennox suggested he spy on MHA for Dajobo 3) Dajobo says "spy on VE or MK instead" 4) ??? 5) Lennox delivers VE information to Dajobo which he happily accepts and discusses casually Dajobo is not without fault. He suggested and accepted spied information. He was happy to take spied information from VE, delivered by Lennox. If it had been information from MHA, MHA would be dealing with this situation instead. But Dajobo told him to spy VE instead, then took the information. Dajobo did wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironfist Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Wad of Lint' timestamp='1295658641' post='2590000'] Then why bother with a fake CB? Why not just declare war "for the hell of it"? Are they too cowardly to give into their passion? [/quote] You keep talking about cowardice, but at least they had the proverbial balls to declare war in the first place. Right or wrong, the war is here. I thought NSO would just be happy enough at that alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Slayer Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Some file upload services automatically make PNG files into JPG, in order to lower quality and compress them. It saves the service space and bandwidth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael von Prussia Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Master-Debater' timestamp='1295657430' post='2589908'] Also: We should see some white peace starting soon here and let VE and NpO blow their own stupid asses up. [/quote] I think this is the smartest idea I've heard since the beginning of the war. So, a poor CB gets poorer. Why should I expect more from the likes of VE, again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Expects Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 [quote name='Sardonic' timestamp='1295658842' post='2590019'] Well it's a good thing we don't live in one. Sting or no sting it still demonstrated intent. [/quote] I am very very ambivalent to this war, but the side I'd pick if a gun was to my head changed with this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yevgeni Luchenkov Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 If true, well done Lennox and NSO. If not, still an amusing attempt. Either case, this war will go on unaffected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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