Sir Keshav IV Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [center][font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"][color="#5D5D5D"][b][quote][/b][/color][/font][/center][font="tahoma, arial, verdana, sans-serif"][color=#5D5D5D][center][b]Joint Declaration from Monaco, the Athenian Federation, the Kingdom of Ireland and New Cadia[/b][/center][/color] [color="#5D5D5D"]Nuclear Weapons, they are the fear of any human being, in the past we have been able to restrain use of them, but[/color][color="#5D5D5D"]for years these restraints have faded.[/color] [color="#5D5D5D"]While we can understand the motivations of the Nation of Nod we can not stand for the deaths of innocent citizens. The victims of the Nodic attacks on Monaco were not involved in the rogue nuclear strikes against Nod, nor was the leadership of Monaco.[/color] [color="#5D5D5D"]As such we have no choice but to recognize the nuclear attacks by Nod as a declaration of war upon the Principality of Monaco. As such [/color][color="#5D5D5D"]the Kingdom of Ireland and the Athenian Federation will recognize their obligations under their respective treaties with the Principality of [/color][color="#5D5D5D"]Monaco and declare war upon the Nation of Nod. Likewise New Cadia will activate its MDoAP with the Athenian Federation and join the conflict.[/color] [color="#5D5D5D"]Before military operations will begin, however, we give Nod one last chance to avoid further bloodshed. Nod must [/color][color="#5D5D5D"]assist in rebuilding Monaco and taking over 10% of the repairs Monaco owes to England and the Holy American Empire, finally the Nation of Nod will recognize the strikes against them as rogue strikes and not an attack by Monaco. [/color] [color="#5D5D5D"]We urge you to comply lest more blood of the innocents is spilled.[/quote][/color][/font] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 The Athenian Federation confirms the announcement and declaration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 The New Cadian High Command, and The Emperor, also confirm this statement. We wish that this course of events was not necessary, but the brash and over-zealous actions taken by the Nation of Nod cannot, and will not, be accepted. We urge that Nod accept these terms, else war will be forced to play its ugly hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kingswell Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 The blood of those that perished in these "rogue" nuclear attacks are on the hands of the those submarine captains and on the government of Monaco. It is impossible for submarines to just go rogue without quickly realising it, and through the Monaco governments inaction many lives have been lost. It is obvious that the Monaco government has at the very least allowed these traitors to carry out there plans and that makes them culprits in their crimes. The nation of Nod obviously being so close to the nation of Monaco does not wish for these culprits to go unpunished and what better way to teach them justice than to fight fire with fire. Now you cry for help and run to your allies when it is your own actions and your own fault that you suffered this action from Nod. But what more can you expect from a nation of incompetant leadership as Monaco. Whilst Africa is too far from Antarctica for us to assist the nation of Nod we wish them the best of luck with defending themselves from this coalition of murderers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Perhaps it is because you are in Antarctica that such staunch idiocy and ignorance perspires from your lackluster and overly-retarded statement. Whilst Monaco is, in fact, largely at fault for its gregarious apathy in this, a nuclear retaliation on top of it all is not acceptable. There is no reason to believe that Monaco was purposely behind these outrageous and tragic attacks; innocent lives were lost around the world, yet they did not retaliate. Why? Because those in Monaco are just as innocent: the citizens, the workers, and every other individual living in that country. For years now Nod's actions will contaminate the Mediterranean waters, costing millions of jobs in the region's arguably largest industry. And citizens of France, the Athenian Federation, New Cadia, and especially Monaco will suffer the fallout repercussions, facing years of radioactive cleanup. Stay in Antarctica where your nation belongs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kingswell Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 (edited) [quote name='SpacingOutMan' timestamp='1294427911' post='2567517'] Perhaps it is because you are in Antarctica that such staunch idiocy and ignorance perspires from your lackluster and overly-retarded statement. Whilst Monaco is, in fact, largely at fault for its gregarious apathy in this, a nuclear retaliation on top of it all is not acceptable. There is no reason to believe that Monaco was purposely behind these outrageous and tragic attacks; innocent lives were lost around the world, yet they did not retaliate. Why? Because those in Monaco are just as innocent: the citizens, the workers, and every other individual living in that country. For years now Nod's actions will contaminate the Mediterranean waters, costing millions of jobs in the region's arguably largest industry. And citizens of France, the Athenian Federation, New Cadia, and especially Monaco will suffer the fallout repercussions, facing years of radioactive cleanup. Stay in Antarctica where your nation belongs. [/quote] A countries leader is only there because the people wish it or because they have used force to get there. It is doubtful that the later is the case in Monaco therefore the actions of the Monaco government are the actions of the Monaco people. In this age of strife there is no such thing as innocence anymore. As for the radioactive fallout that also is Monaco's fault if they had revealed information about the rogue submarines immediatly they could have been dealt with or at the very least the world could have been warned and yet they chose not to. You may call us ignorant and retarted but those are nothing but words and you will have to try harder than that to insult us. Edited January 7, 2011 by Kevin Kingswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 We will counter your failure of an argument point by point. [quote name='Kevin Kingswell' timestamp='1294428215' post='2567521'] A countries leader is only there because the people wish it or because they have used force to get there. It is doubtful that the later is the case in Monaco therefore the actions of the Monaco government are the actions of the Monaco people. In this age of strife there is no such thing as innocence anymore.[/quote] Are you seriously implying that the Monacan government was, in fact, supporting the actions of these rogue terrorists? Where is such proof, evidence, and factual basis for such a claim? In fact, there is [b]none[/b], which just makes you seem like all the more of a bumbling buffoon. Quite the contrary, evidence suggests that the Monacan government had grown overly complacent, apathetic, and unwilling to take reigns of increasing corruption and other means of internal corrosion. Those are the facts, not your fantastical conspiracy theories. [quote]As for the radioactive fallout that also is Monaco's fault if they had revealed information about the rogue submarines immediatly they could have been dealt with or at the very least the world could have been warned and yet they chose not to.[/quote] Perhaps you don't understand the situation (hence your factual basis to be utterly retarded and lagging). The submarines were rogue; they were already out at sea before anyone knew what was actually happening. It was beyond their control at the critical point of this entire situation. It is not Monaco's fault; the fact is Nod shot [b]multiple[/b] nuclear warheads toward Monaco, which endangering not only Monaco, but all of the medium-nations in between, including New Cadia. Their nuclear action will cost lives in nations not even involved in this endeavor. Their lack of forethought and clear disregard for life is the reason why this declaration had to be made. [quote]You may call us ignorant and retarted but those are nothing but words and you will have to try harder than that to insult us. [/quote] And if you take the truth as an insult, perhaps a hole is better suited for you because it seems to have tickled your fancy during this entire ordeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='Kevin Kingswell' timestamp='1294428215' post='2567521'] A countries leader is only there because the people wish it or because they have used force to get there. It is doubtful that the later is the case in Monaco therefore the actions of the Monaco government are the actions of the Monaco people. In this age of strife there is no such thing as innocence anymore. As for the radioactive fallout that also is Monaco's fault if they had revealed information about the rogue submarines immediatly they could have been dealt with or at the very least the world could have been warned and yet they chose not to. You may call us ignorant and retarted but those are nothing but words and you will have to try harder than that to insult us. [/quote] So the baby who was born yesterday is as guilty as the man who called for the nuclear strikes? Your words disgust Portugal. Have you ever considered for a moment that maybe Monaco's intelligence systems knew nothing of the attack, that perhaps the rogue captains bribed higher ups to keep the incident hush-hush until it was too late? Your nation appears to be one who does not see there can be more than one outcome. Portugal hopes your government will see the light before your people realize you have wronged them with your idiotic and shameful comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='Kevin Kingswell' timestamp='1294428215' post='2567521'] A countries leader is only there because the people wish it or because they have used force to get there. It is doubtful that the later is the case in Monaco therefore the actions of the Monaco government are the actions of the Monaco people. In this age of strife there is no such thing as innocence anymore. As for the radioactive fallout that also is Monaco's fault if they had revealed information about the rogue submarines immediatly they could have been dealt with or at the very least the world could have been warned and yet they chose not to. You may call us ignorant and retarted but those are nothing but words and you will have to try harder than that to insult us. [/quote] Your point would hold value had Monaco not already offered to extradite officers for trial and taken it upon itself to repair damages done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triyun Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 The United Federation of the East has not been called upon to activate its military alliance with Athens, but it will support our allies diplomatically and materially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kingswell Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='SpacingOutMan' timestamp='1294428568' post='2567529'] We will counter your failure of an argument point by point. Are you seriously implying that the Monacan government was, in fact, supporting the actions of these rogue terrorists? Where is such proof, evidence, and factual basis for such a claim? In fact, there is [b]none[/b], which just makes you seem like all the more of a bumbling buffoon. Quite the contrary, evidence suggests that the Monacan government had grown overly complacent, apathetic, and unwilling to take reigns of increasing corruption and other means of internal corrosion. Those are the facts, not your fantastical conspiracy theories. [/quote] If the Monacan government was indeed as overly complacent, apathetic, and unwilling to take reigns of increasing corruption and other means of internal corrosion as you say they are, then there is the proof they were partially to blame for what has happened. [quote name='SpacingOutMan' timestamp='1294428568' post='2567529'] Perhaps you don't understand the situation (hence your factual basis to be utterly retarded and lagging). The submarines were rogue; they were already out at sea before anyone knew what was actually happening. It was beyond their control at the critical point of this entire situation. It is not Monaco's fault; the fact is Nod shot [b]multiple[/b] nuclear warheads toward Monaco, which endangering not only Monaco, but all of the medium-nations in between, including New Cadia. Their nuclear action will cost lives in nations not even involved in this endeavor. Their lack of forethought and clear disregard for life is the reason why this declaration had to be made. [/quote] Now this is alarming, very alarming whilst we do not possess nuclear weapons at the moment if we did we would ensure that we know where they are at all times. It is quite easy to achieve such measures in our opinion and we are sure other nations have measures in place to ensure nuclear weapons do not go missing. As for those unfortunate people in other nations who will be effected by these nuclear actions it is a shame but such are the consequences of living in this world. [quote name='Markus Wilding' timestamp='1294428683' post='2567531'] So the baby who was born yesterday is as guilty as the man who called for the nuclear strikes? Your words disgust Portugal. Have you ever considered for a moment that maybe Monaco's intelligence systems knew nothing of the attack, that perhaps the rogue captains bribed higher ups to keep the incident hush-hush until it was too late? Your nation appears to be one who does not see there can be more than one outcome. Portugal hopes your government will see the light before your people realize you have wronged them with your idiotic and shameful comments. [/quote] Your first remark is foolish of course a new born is not included we were referring to those who have the ability to choose their leaders. As for your other remarks as we have mentioned if such corruption was indeed in the Monaco military and government then the world clearly has much more to worry about. [quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1294428804' post='2567536'] Your point would hold value had Monaco not already offered to extradite officers for trial and taken it upon itself to repair damages done. [/quote] The United Winter Federation does not have a price for each citizen's life unlike other nations as it seems. The loss of life must be met with equal loss of life if the way that the Federation operates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='Kevin Kingswell' timestamp='1294429617' post='2567547'] The United Winter Federation does not have a price for each citizen's life unlike other nations as it seems. The loss of life must be met with equal loss of life if the way that the Federation operates. [/quote] An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kingswell Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='Centurius' timestamp='1294429746' post='2567550'] An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. [/quote] Ah yes that famous statement. An eye for an eye does not leave the world blind at worst it leaves someone with only one eye but one is better than none so they are still the victor. Anyway why only take an eye why not take both and render your enemy useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Your persistence is astounding. [quote name='Kevin Kingswell' timestamp='1294429617' post='2567547'] If the Monacan government was indeed as overly complacent, apathetic, and unwilling to take reigns of increasing corruption and other means of internal corrosion as you say they are, then there is the proof they were partially to blame for what has happened.[/quote] Because those who were responsible weren't being, already, extradited for their crimes, right? Wrong. They are partial to blame and they were going to be brought to justice without suffering others in this situation's wake. Justice would have proceeded, but Nod took it upon itself to end the lives of countless people because of some [i]quid quo pro[/i] nonsense. [quote]Now this is alarming, very alarming whilst we do not possess nuclear weapons at the moment if we did we would ensure that we know where they are at all times. It is quite easy to achieve such measures in our opinion and we are sure other nations have measures in place to ensure nuclear weapons do not go missing. As for those unfortunate people in other nations who will be effected by these nuclear actions it is a shame but such are the consequences of living in this world.[/quote] It is, indeed, alarming, however the situation happened. Likewise, we will keep your last afterthought in mind should war ever ravage your nation and deem the death of your citizens as the cost of living in this world; such a tasteless and brazen response, indeed. [quote]Your first remark is foolish of course a new born is not included we were referring to those who have the ability to choose their leaders. As for your other remarks as we have mentioned if such corruption was indeed in the Monaco military and government then the world clearly has much more to worry about.[/quote] Still doesn't negate the fact that there are those who had no choice in their government were killed, such as many newborns born on that day. Where is the justice in that? Right, there isn't any. [quote]The United Winter Federation does not have a price for each citizen's life unlike other nations as it seems. The loss of life must be met with equal loss of life if the way that the Federation operates. [/quote] Then New Cadia will be the first to advocate that the United Winter Federation never be allowed to operate under such odious ideologies with any sort of nuclear capability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='Kevin Kingswell' timestamp='1294429909' post='2567552'] Ah yes that famous statement. An eye for an eye does not leave the world blind at worst it leaves someone with only one eye but one is better than none so they are still the victor. Anyway why only take an eye why not take both and render your enemy useless. [/quote] Your government is proving why we should be glad it is limited to Antarctica. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kingswell Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='SpacingOutMan' timestamp='1294430057' post='2567556'] Your persistence is astounding. Because those who were responsible weren't being, already, extradited for their crimes, right? Wrong. They are partial to blame and they were going to be brought to justice without suffering others in this situation's wake. Justice would have proceeded, but Nod took it upon itself to end the lives of countless people because of some [i]quid quo pro[/i] nonsense. [/quote] Who exactly were being extradited? Who we have heard so far was officers were but what officers? Those in charge of the military? Or maybe some likely scapegoats after all you said the government was corrupted so how can we trust them? [quote name='SpacingOutMan' timestamp='1294430057' post='2567556'] It is, indeed, alarming, however the situation happened. Likewise, we will keep your last afterthought in mind should war ever ravage your nation and deem the death of your citizens as the cost of living in this world; such a tasteless and brazen response, indeed. [/quote] Please do. [quote name='SpacingOutMan' timestamp='1294430057' post='2567556'] Still doesn't negate the fact that there are those who had no choice in their government were killed, such as many newborns born on that day. Where is the justice in that? Right, there isn't any. [/quote] Innocents always suffer it is a known fact. Even in a war between soldiers innocents suffer as families lose fathers and mothers. The suffering of innocents is a fact of life. [quote name='SpacingOutMan' timestamp='1294430057' post='2567556'] Then New Cadia will be the first to advocate that the United Winter Federation never be allowed to operate under such odious ideologies with any sort of nuclear capability. [/quote] That is your choice but it will not effect our nuclear program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Executive Minister Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 OOC: Guys, I'll respond later on tonight. I'd appreciate it if this thread remained just for diplomatic back and forths until I return. Until then o7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoot Zoot Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Classified to Athens England will stand by Athens in this affair, but we are not treaty bound into supporting an aggressive war. However, you have but to only request English assistance and we will send it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacharth Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Germany stands by its allies in the Athenian Federation. The heinous attack on the people of Monaco by an angry government should not have gone on. Are the people of Monaco to blame for this attack? No. Are the people at fault? No. There is absolutely no reason why there are millions of innocent lives dead. The rogue attack was bad, yes, but this attack from Nod, we feel, is worse than the rogue attacks. Innsbruck has officially unrecognized Nod as an independent state, and while we cannot make a declaration of war yet, Tyr von Lübeck wants to make it certain that if he could be face to face with the man who ordered this attack, he would gouge out his eyes and replace them with raw, peeled lemon slices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sal Paradise Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [center][IMG]http://i728.photobucket.com/albums/ww287/sparadise34/communesfrancaises.png[/IMG][/center] [center]As a victim of these attacks, the Revolutionary Federation of French Communes feels a response to this declaration is necessary. It goes without saying that the Revolutionary Federation condemns the nuclear attack and mass murder of the people of Monaco and the people of France, as well as the attacks on England, the Holy American Empire, Korea, J Andres and Nod. Unlike the four nations making this declaration, the Revolutionary Federation does not qualify its condemnation with understanding. The motivation for Nod's mass murder of Monegasque and Revolutionary Federation citizens is not something we can understand. The nuclear annihilation of millions of innocents is a crime against humanity and never justified. The demand for reparations and the recognition that the attack on Nod was a rogue attack goes so far below the standard of justice for this crime that it is itself an insult to the victims. Should Nod refuse these demands and find itself at war with the four parties of this declaration, perhaps that situation will allow those responsible to be brought to justice. If, however, the perpetrators of this attack are allowed to go free by paying only [i]a fine[/i] for the [i]genocide[/i] of the Monegasque people, the Revolutionary Federation will not rest until there is real justice for our citizens.[/center] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='Kevin Kingswell' timestamp='1294430451' post='2567564'] Who exactly were being extradited? Who we have heard so far was officers were but what officers? Those in charge of the military? Or maybe some likely scapegoats after all you said the government was corrupted so how can we trust them?[/quote] It's called a tribunal by a neutrally-invested party. Break out a dictionary if some of my words are too big for you. [quote]Innocents always suffer it is a known fact. Even in a war between soldiers innocents suffer as families lose fathers and mothers. The suffering of innocents is a fact of life.[/quote] Except this isn't war; this was a massacre, mass-murder, or whatever other synonym you'd prefer for pointlessly killing outside of war. [quote]That is your choice but it will not effect our nuclear program. [/quote] If you maintain this [i]modus operandi[/i], we'll see about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Wilding Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [center][img]http://people.ucsc.edu/~aylara/WEBSITE2/600px-Flag_of_Portugal.svg.png[/img] [img]http://d.imagehost.org/0552/UltraFlag.png[/img] Portugal stands by her Athenian allies and will activate our defense clause if need be. Portugal will not let this act of injustice go unpunished, and as such will assist her allies in any way possible.[/center] ***Classified to Athens*** Portugal is ready and willing to answer Athena's call should it be necessary. Our army is already mobilized and ready for offensive operations, all we need is transport to Nod and objectives to complete. You stood by the people's side during our civil war, we will return the favor by making those who killed innocents pay dearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [center][u][b]MESSAGE FROM KINGDOM OF COCHIN[/b][/u][/center] The Kingdom of Cochin condemns the nuclear attacks by the rogue submarines of Monaco. Though more justifiable we also condemn the retaliatory nuclear strike by Nation of Nod against Monaco, as it was an unmeasured and irresponsible response. Starting a larger war in retaliation to Nodic strike on Monaco would be an even greater folly in our opinion. While the nuclear fires are raging across our planet the onus should now be not on waging intercontinental war but to find the culprits who are really responsible. Monaco can never shrug off its guilt for the submarines that went rogue, nor the attacks they committed. Does the fact of Monaco being obliterated by a nuclear weapon erase the guilt of that crime? Similarly though Nod itself was attacked by nuclear weapons in an unprovoked manner, its retaliation was too disproportionate. The terms offered by Monaco and its allies are unreasonable and an attempt at shifting the guilt for the crimes against HAE, Korea, J Andres and England upon Nod. The Kingdom of Cochin urges the world nations to desist declaring ultimatums and think with cooler heads. Nod is responsible for the destruction of Monaco, thus it must aid in its rebuilding. Monaco is indeed guilty of becoming criminally irresponsible which led to the deaths of far greater number of people all over the world than what it itself has lost. Monaco must ensure it does not happen again and make amends to all affected parties. We hope that wiser counsels in Athenian Federation and New Cadia would prevail upon their allies to ensure that this tragedy does not assume global proportions. Our aim should be to detect and destroy the rogue submarines, not to wage unconditional intercontinental wars. - HH King of Cochin, Kingdom of Cochin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Keshav IV Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) "Monaco is not shifting any guilt away from what the rogue attacks on HAE, J Andres, England and Korea. What we are saying though is we are no longer guilty of what has happened to Addis Ababa and since wiping out our Capital city we have lost a lot which we alone cannot rebuild while rebuilding other damaged cities also." Edited January 8, 2011 by Sir Keshav IV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 The Kingdom of Cochin recognizes the inability of Monaco to completely rebuild the damages caused by its rogue nuclear submarines in its current devastated state. In the same manner as we believe in Nod's guilt in destruction meted out to Monaco, we believe Monaco too to be responsible for the destruction in Addis Ababa. The way forward is not by trading attacks but through a way of reconciliation and rebuilding. The Kingdom of Cochin is of the strong belief that a peaceful and prosperous Monaco is in the best interests of the world and so is a healed and prosperous Nod. The nations of the world currently unaffected by these nuclear attacks could and should contribute to the rebuilding of their stricken peers in a completely non partisan manner. The Kingdom of Cochin hereby pledges to do its utmost to help in the rebuilding of the nations currently affected by the nuclear strikes. We hope the other responsible world nations such as Athenian Federation, New Cadia, Germany, Sri Lanka, Rebel Army, United Federation of the East and Vaule would join with us to rebuild the affected nations. Peace can only be achieved through prosperity, peace through war is just an interlude between conflicts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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