ColonelTom Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) [center][img]http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee457/Awesomeone99/tkoiheader.jpg[/img][/center] [font="Calibri"][size="3"][center][b][u][size="7"]Royal Proclamation[/size][/u][/b][/center] [font="Calibri"][size="3"][/size][/font]I hereby announce formally to our friends everywhere that as Prime Minister of The Kingdom of Italy (TKoI), upon the abdication of our former King (Mussolini the Great), and in accordance with original plans of succession, I have assumed the role of both King and Prime Minister (until such time as I name a new PM).[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]Therefore, as both Head of Government and Head of State for The Kingdom of Italy, I hereby announce the following:[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"][/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]1.[/size][/font] [size="3"][font="Calibri"]The Kingdom of Italy is deeply sorrowed by the events and allegations of the past 24 hours;[/font][/size] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]2.[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]The Kingdom of Italy categorically abhors racism in all its various forms and will not tolerate it in its government or membership in any form;[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]3.[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]The Kingdom of Italy is a sovereign alliance and reserves the right of due process for all its membership as well as its sole right to try and punish its membership for crimes;[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]4.[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]The Kingdom of Italy calls upon all persons having any evidence regarding allegations of wrongdoing within our membership to do the honorable thing and provide them to ColonelTom immediately via private channels, otherwise we will recognize these heinous allegations as false. This is in accordance with due process standards of civilized people everywhere without evidence, innocence must be presumed;[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]5.[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]The Kingdom of Italy abhors the pseudo-diplomatic techniques used against us and expects more professionalism in the future;[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]6.[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]The Kingdom of Italy assures Planet Bob that if convincing evidence is presented that substantiate the accusations that have been leveled, then conviction and appropriate punishment will be applied (up to and including expulsion or worse).[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]7.[/size][/font] [font="Calibri"][size="3"]Lastly, it is my hope that new friendships and relationships can be built between The Kingdom of Italy and other equally sovereign alliances; bringing peace, liberty and prosperity to all. [b]King of The Kingdom of Italy:[/b] ColonelTom [b]The Kingdom of Italy's Government also includes:[/b] Minister of the Interior: Giovanni Martini Minister of Finance and Trade: RichardReich Minister of War: rollypolly [/size][/font] Edited January 6, 2011 by ColonelTom Quote
Fernando12 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 Look it... Being racist is not a crime and rulers shouldn't have their nations obliterated for it. If you know for a fact that some of your members are racist and you don't want them in the alliance then just expel them. Anyone wanting to declare war on them should do it for IC reasons and not OOC reasons. This really has to be some of the worst drama I have ever seen on planet bob and shouldn't even be public, keep this !@#$ off the forums and deal with it privately. Quote
ColonelTom Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1294274414' post='2565010'] Look it... Being racist is not a crime and rulers shouldn't have their nations obliterated for it. If you know for a fact that some of your members are racist and you don't want them in the alliance then just expel them. Anyone wanting to declare war on them should do it for IC reasons and not OOC reasons. This really has to be some of the worst drama I have ever seen on planet bob and shouldn't even be public, keep this !@#$ off the forums and deal with it privately. [/quote] I don't know if that was directed at me or just to people in general, yet I will respond. I do agree that Planet Earth actions are not punishable on Planet Bob. However, having said that, racism is now officially illegal in The Kingdom of Italy on Planet Bob. Quote
Fernando12 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='ColonelTom' timestamp='1294275234' post='2565035'] I don't know if that was directed at me or just to people in general, yet I will respond. I do agree that Planet Earth actions are not punishable on Planet Bob. However, having said that, racism is now officially illegal in The Kingdom of Italy on Planet Bob. [/quote] It was directed at you. So you will criminalize actions that were not illegal or actions that have not even been committed by your members in this realm? What they do in other realms is their business. You're approaching this the wrong way. Relax and let your members be and if they do racist things against other rulers on planet bob then act, otherwise you really have nothing to prosecute them for. Quote
Mikeyrox Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1294274414' post='2565010'] Look it... Being racist is not a crime and rulers shouldn't have their nations obliterated for it. If you know for a fact that some of your members are racist and you don't want them in the alliance then just expel them. Anyone wanting to declare war on them should do it for IC reasons and not OOC reasons. This really has to be some of the worst drama I have ever seen on planet bob and shouldn't even be public, keep this !@#$ off the forums and deal with it privately. [/quote] I agree with this 100%, however I do have some sympathy for what Tom is saying, especially if what TGE said about former members not only having racist views, but trying to recruit people from TKoI to racist sites is true (which I am firmly convinced it is not). I trust that if and when these members are brought to trial, they will be treated justly. Quote
MrHavok Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 Or just tell him that he doesn't run your alliance nor make your policies It's apparent that Fernando has no qualms with allowing ooc people with low morals ooc racists into his alliance so everyone take note what kind of members you can expect in the united states Quote
Fernando12 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='MrHavok' timestamp='1294275598' post='2565045'] Or just tell him that he doesn't run your alliance nor make your policies It's apparent that Fernando has no qualms with allowing ooc people with low morals ooc racists into his alliance so everyone take note what kind of members you can expect in the united states [/quote] Have you been on IRC much? Do your realize the discriminatory things that are said against groups in many IRC channels? You're telling me in all of the alliances on planet bob there are no bigots except for the ones that are supposedly in tKoI? Qualms? If a member openly began ranting racist remarks at other members in the alliance or members of other alliances, then they would be expelled because they would have acted upon their beliefs in a way that does not belong within The United States or planet bob. You sir, need to think before you speak. Quote
xoindotnler Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='MrHavok' timestamp='1294275598' post='2565045'] Or just tell him that he doesn't run your alliance nor make your policies It's apparent that Fernando has no qualms with allowing ooc people with low morals ooc racists into his alliance so everyone take note what kind of members you can expect in the united states [/quote] Or he just dislikes this modern witch hunt. Its a hilarious exmaple of trying to bringing OOC things into IC. If said racist are doing nothing wrong IC I see no problem at all. Quote
MrHavok Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 Or you need to think before you try dictating how other alliances should be run Quote
MrHavok Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='xoindotnler' timestamp='1294276391' post='2565070'] Or he just dislikes this modern witch hunt. Its a hilarious exmaple of trying to bringing OOC things into IC. If said racist are doing nothing wrong IC I see no problem at all. [/quote] He can dislike it all he wants but it's not on him to dictate how other alliances should be run tKoI does not want racist members apparently Fernando has no problem with racists as long as they benefit him Quote
Mikeyrox Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='MrHavok' timestamp='1294276412' post='2565072'] Or you need to think before you try dictating how other alliances should be run [/quote] He is just giving his opinion that people shouldn't just engage in which hunts over their members beliefs, and let people think what they want to think as long as they are not insulting other members or attempting to shove their ideology down other peoples throats. If they keep it to themselves or others like them, and do not attempt to act on those beliefs in a way that would negatively impact any other member, than I dont see the need for expulsion. I have to agree with Fernando on this, and in doing so I dont see myself as dictating what should be done. I know Tom, and I know he wont punish his members unless they did something really bad, and I am confident that justice will be served in TKoI, but I agree with the sentiment of not persecuting people over beliefs - something other alliances apprentice condone. I dunno, maybe I only agree with him because I am a radical libertarian, but those are my 2 cents. Quote
Fernando12 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='MrHavok' timestamp='1294276557' post='2565077'] He can dislike it all he wants but it's not on him to dictate how other alliances should be run tKoI does not want racist members apparently Fernando has no problem with racists as long as they benefit him [/quote] You are reaching and you are pathetic. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqQD4dzVkwk"]Have you no sense of decency sir?[/url] Quote
MrHavok Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='Mikeyrox' timestamp='1294276668' post='2565081'] He is just giving his opinion that people shouldn't just engage in which hunts over their members beliefs, and let people think what they want to think as long as they are not insulting other members or attempting to shove their ideology down other peoples throats. If they keep it to themselves or others like them, and do not attempt to act on those beliefs in a way that would negatively impact any other member, than I dont see the need for expulsion. I have to agree with Fernando on this, and in doing so I dont see myself as dictating what should be done. I know Tom, and I know he wont punish his members unless they did something really bad, and I am confident that justice will be served in TKoI, but I agree with the sentiment of not persecuting people over beliefs - something other alliances apprentice condone. I dunno, maybe I only agree with him because I am a radical libertarian, but those are my 2 cents. [/quote] I have no problem with your opinion because you present it that way as an opinion Fernando chooses to tell people what they should do There is a big difference in opinion and simply saying you should do this or you shouldn't do that And he chooses the latter in my opinion he does not express an opinion but simply give edicts to other alliances As I said tKoI doesn't want racist members and that is their prerogative Fernando doesn't mind taking them Quote
MrHavok Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1294277058' post='2565097'] You are reaching and you are pathetic. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqQD4dzVkwk"]Have you no sense of decency sir?[/url] [/quote] Personal attacks huh who is the pathetic one now Quote
Karl Peters Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 Good luck TKoI! Hopefully this issue will be resolved quickly. Quote
Fernando12 Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='MrHavok' timestamp='1294277188' post='2565102'] As I said tKoI doesn't want racist members and that is their prerogative Fernando doesn't mind taking them [/quote] You're pathetic if that is what you are reading from what I am saying. Simply pathetic. Quote
MrHavok Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1294277489' post='2565111'] You're pathetic if that is what you are reading from what I am saying. Simply pathetic. [/quote] Aww poor thing I guess the truth hurts sometimes And again personal attacks you truly show the class you are lacking Quote
Tygaland Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1294277489' post='2565111'] You're pathetic if that is what you are reading from what I am saying. Simply pathetic. [/quote] I love it when anyone mentions the word "racist" how it becomes a call for everyone to try and clamber above everyone else to be the most righteous. What you said is completely true, Fernando. Banning "racist" members is utter nonsense as racism is open to interpretation anyway. How do you know if one of your members is a racist but does not express his beliefs? If there is one thing in the Cyberverse that makes me laugh it is how most people leap onto a stool, lift their skirts and dance and squeal whenever the "racist" mouse enters the kitchen. Keep it up guys! Quote
shaneprice Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1294274414' post='2565010'] Look it... Being racist is not a crime and rulers shouldn't have their nations obliterated for it. If you know for a fact that some of your members are racist and you don't want them in the alliance then just expel them. Anyone wanting to declare war on them should do it for IC reasons and not OOC reasons. This really has to be some of the worst drama I have ever seen on planet bob and shouldn't even be public, keep this !@#$ off the forums and deal with it privately. [/quote] Depending on where you live, being racist is a crime, and yes, rules should be obliterated for it. Sorry, you can't get along with your fellow human regardless of age, race, sexual orientation, whatever...don't play the game. K. Thanx, Bye. Quote
Tygaland Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='shaneprice' timestamp='1294279478' post='2565150'] Depending on where you live, being racist is a crime, and yes, rules should be obliterated for it. Sorry, you can't get along with your fellow human regardless of age, race, sexual orientation, whatever...don't play the game. K. Thanx, Bye. [/quote] People don't get along for a myriad of reasons. Why should that preclude them from existing in the Cyberverse? Stupidity and ignorance are best confronted with fact and reason rather than pretending stupidity and ignorance don't exist or demanding they cease to exist. Let stupid and/or intolerant beliefs crash and burn under challenge from reason rather than those with stupid beliefs be shunned to the shadows where their stupidity festers and remains unchallenged. Quote
Adrian LaCroix Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='shaneprice' timestamp='1294279478' post='2565150'] Depending on where you live, being racist is a crime, and yes, rules should be obliterated for it. Sorry, you can't get along with your fellow human regardless of age, race, sexual orientation, whatever...don't play the game. K. Thanx, Bye. [/quote] This is Planet Bob, no one gets along with anyone anyway. And as long as people don't bring their OOC beliefs into their IC interactions, you shouldn't either. Quote
Mikeyrox Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 [quote name='shaneprice' timestamp='1294279478' post='2565150'] Depending on where you live, being racist is a crime, and yes, rules should be obliterated for it. Sorry, you can't get along with your fellow human regardless of age, race, sexual orientation, whatever...don't play the game. K. Thanx, Bye. [/quote] And it is a pity that in such places there is no true freedom of expression or freedom of thought. We are not condoning racists, and, as far as I know, we are not racists. All we are saying is that if such players do not try and shove their beliefs down others throats, or are not in any other way being offensive, why punishment? If they don't bother you, don't bother them. If TKoI want's to keep them out of their alliances, it is their right to do so as a sovereign entity that can choose its own membership. Nobody, however, has a right as far as I am concerned to obliterate or try and otherwise kick someone from the game purely based on their personal beliefs. Quote
Lexenstar Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 A favored motto with such inquiry is that "hate begot hate" meaning that in some form or fashion allowing hate creates hate. As stated several times it is the right of a sovereign alliance to deal with internal affairs itself and if such means placing rules that forbid their membership to partake in any known racist groups then that is the right of the alliance. However I also see the points made that if you remove the right of a member to freely do what he or she wishes out side the CN and Alliance and use such actions to dictate the actions in CN and the Alliance you are treading a very very thin line. A tight rope with no real end. The question here that should be asked is, do the ends justify the means? Quote
Vladimir Nikanor Posted January 6, 2011 Report Posted January 6, 2011 I like your initiative Tom. I wish the people of The Kingdom of Italy peace and a good future under these new rulings. Quote
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