Van Hoo III Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 (edited) [center][IMG]http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/MistahHoo/RoKLogo.png[/IMG] [b]Ragnarok[/b][/center] Recently, the New Sith Order accepted a member that went rogue on our protectorate TENE. They were not aware he was a rogue at the time, but once we made them aware they stated he was under their protection. Our protectorate requested that we fill the war slots of this rogue, and we agreed to do so. Last night, war was declared on Sedrick of the New Sith Order. Shortly after, Heft contacted me and asked about the attacks. He stated that we were notified of NSO's intent to protect the nation. Logs: [quote]Session Start: Sat Aug 07 22:02:17 2010 [22:02] <Heft> Hi 11[22:02] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Hello [22:03] <Heft> Your guys are attacking a new member of ours: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=410982 [22:03] <Heft> I'd prefer if that didn't happen 11[22:03] <VanHooIII[RoK]> He is a rogue against our protectorate, you guys were made aware of this ... correct? [22:04] <Heft> Your protectorate spied on him and threatened him with war [22:04] <Heft> I believe Heggo told Rampage this earlier 11[22:05] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Your new member spied first, and threatened war as well 11[22:05] <VanHooIII[RoK]> He then went rogue on multiple TENE nations 11[22:05] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We'd rather him settle this before joining a new alliance [22:06] <Heft> I haven't seen any claims that he spied on them. The only evidence we have establishes TENE committing an act of war upon him first 11[22:06] <VanHooIII[RoK]> In the middle of a heated argument, Adzz of TENE had two spy attacks ... right as Sedrick was threatening him with war [22:06] <Heft> And he had already sent them peace offers prior to applying to the NSO 11[22:06] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Adzz spied back 11[22:06] <VanHooIII[RoK]> This all occurred on the 4th 11[22:07] <VanHooIII[RoK]> On the 6th, and again on the 7th, Sedrick went rogue on TENE 11[22:07] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We will be more than happy to cease attacks on Sedrick once he has paid reps to TENE [22:07] <Heft> You want him to pay reps while you attack him? 11[22:08] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We can cease if he agrees to pay them, sure 11[22:08] <VanHooIII[RoK]> At this point, he had no desire to do so and up until today was continuing attacks 11[22:08] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Retaliaiton was requested by TENE, we agreed 11[22:09] <VanHooIII[RoK]> If you'd like to negotiate peace for your nation, we are all ears [22:09] <Heft> Regardless, Heggo had clearly stated that we were considering him under our protection [22:09] <Heft> Did something change after that that I've missed? 11[22:10] <VanHooIII[RoK]> And we clearly stated that we don't care 11[22:10] <VanHooIII[RoK]> He is a rogue nation and will be attacked until he has been cleared 11[22:10] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Regardless of where he goes 11[22:11] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Now, he has two options ... pay for the damages he caused plus punitive damages, or continue to be attacked for his offenses 11[22:11] <VanHooIII[RoK]> It isn't personal, as far as we are concerned 11[22:11] <VanHooIII[RoK]> It is what it is [22:12] <Heft> The only evidence we have paints him as the defender, with TENE clearly provoking him 11[22:12] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We see it differently, and will side with our protectorate [22:13] <Heft> If you wish to continue attacking him then there isn't much we can realistically do to prevent that, I realize 11[22:13] <VanHooIII[RoK]> It is more up to him than the NSO, yes 11[22:14] <VanHooIII[RoK]> If he feels reps aren't an option, he can be ZIed ... then he can go on his merry way [22:16] <Heft> Well, I wouldn't be surprised to see some war aid floated his way, at least 11[22:16] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Your choice, but we will be forced to react accordingly 11[22:16] <VanHooIII[RoK]> I hope you understand [22:17] <Heft> I consider it a reasonable compromise, personally 11[22:17] <VanHooIII[RoK]> And we'd consider aid sent to a nation we deem a rogue and are at war with as an act of war [22:18] <Heft> Well that certainly seems less reasonable 11[22:19] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Again, that is your choice 11[22:19] <VanHooIII[RoK]> You have stated your view on the issue, and I have stated ours 11[22:20] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Whatever the NSO decides to do from this point on, they do so knowing full well where we stand [22:22] <Heft> It is possible for my decision to be overturned, either to a more or less active stance, but I do thing it's the simplest diplomatic approach. We'll see what happens, though 11[22:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Well, I am sure you guys will do what you feel is right[/quote] I made it very clear that sending aid to the rogue would be considered an act of war. Moments later, aid was sent from the NSO to the rogue nation. I contacted Heft to confirm that this was condoned by the NSO. I wanted to make sure it was not just random nations trying to help. [quote]11[22:37] <VanHooIII[RoK]> It appears you guys chose [22:38] <Heft> Compromise [22:38] <Heft> I chose peace 11[22:39] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We told you in advance how we would view it, that is not exactly choosing peace [22:40] <Heft> You didn't really leave me much choice 11[22:42] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Neither did you [22:47] <Heft> Well okay then [22:47] <Heft> it sounds like you're trying to jump on 6M as a pretense for war [22:47] <Heft> What with your vague ominous...ness... 11[22:48] <VanHooIII[RoK]> No, you decided to protect and aid someone knowing full well the result 11[22:48] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We don't have anything against the NSO 11[22:48] <VanHooIII[RoK]> I told you, it didn't matter where he went, we were going to attack him per our protectorate's request [22:48] <Heft> No, I decided not to protect him [22:48] <Heft> We are very obviously and deliberately not currently protecting him 11[22:49] <VanHooIII[RoK]> You were advised that aiding him would be considered an act of war 11[22:49] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Depsite this, you aided him anyway 11[22:49] <VanHooIII[RoK]> That was your choice 11[22:49] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Despite* [22:49] <Heft> And I made it clear it was in no way an act of war but an attempt at compromise 11[22:50] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Well, I am glad that the NSO does not consider it an act of war [22:50] <Heft> You failed to offer any alternatives other than "eh, $%&@ off", basically 11[22:50] <VanHooIII[RoK]> However, we do 11[22:50] <VanHooIII[RoK]> I gave the nation alternatives 11[22:50] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Agree to pay reps or be ZIed 11[22:50] <VanHooIII[RoK]> pretty standard 11[22:50] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Pretty* 11[22:50] <VanHooIII[RoK]> A compromise is usually something agreed upon by both parties 11[22:51] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We clearly did not agree [22:52] <Heft> 6M is not cause for war when people are not actively looking for a cause for war [22:52] <Heft> And even then it's a bit of a stretch 11[22:52] <VanHooIII[RoK]> If it isn't a cause for war, then you should not have aided him [22:53] <Heft> What? 11[22:53] <VanHooIII[RoK]> If $6 mil is not cause for war, then you should not have sent it [22:53] <Heft> No that doesn't make sense 11[22:54] <VanHooIII[RoK]> You decided to send the aid, knowing full well what our response would be 11[22:54] <VanHooIII[RoK]> Therefore, if $6 mil is not worth war ... 11[22:54] <VanHooIII[RoK]> You should not have sent it [22:55] <Heft> I trusted that RoK would be level-headed enough to respond in a reasonable manner [22:56] <Heft> Since there isn't any real bad blood between us I didn't expect for you to decide this was a good excuse for something else 11[22:57] <VanHooIII[RoK]> It isn't an excuse 11[22:57] <VanHooIII[RoK]> I told you sending aid to a nation we were attacking is an act of war 11[22:57] <VanHooIII[RoK]> That has always been or stance 11[22:57] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We didn't create it just for you [22:57] <Heft> Well it's not a valid really for an actual war, that's for sure 11[22:57] <VanHooIII[RoK]> I am sorry you feel that way [22:58] <Heft> I don't have enough patience to toy with political ploys and hiding behind pretense 11[22:59] <VanHooIII[RoK]> It isn't political, or even personal 11[22:59] <VanHooIII[RoK]> It is what it is, just like I told you [23:16] <Heft> Alright, we can talk tomorrow, or you can talk to someone else tomorrow Session Close: Sat Aug 07 23:43:54 2010[/quote] When we say we consider something an act of war, and you do it anyway ... you can expect us to declare war on you. Ragnarok hereby declares war on the New Sith Order. Edited August 8, 2010 by Van Hoo III Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Go get 'em boys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Z Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Goodbye NSO. We have your back, Hoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hepzibah3 Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 o/RoK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balder Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Should Ragnarok be touched, the Empire will swiftly ride to defend our allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandwich Controversy Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Heh NSO, I thought peace was a lie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smooth Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 o/ Go get them ROK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sethb Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Bad decision NSO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Good luck RoK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarikmo Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Oh this is gonna be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Nakara Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Yeeees, Hoo I <3 you Finally action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordliam Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Oh. Good luck to both sides! fun fun fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Hoo..if this turns out like the TPF war i will cut you but good hunting anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal Enigma Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 show halloween NPO their plastic lightsabers cant save them now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Thorrington Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exige Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 go go RoK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Interstat Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Give 'em hell, RoK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnCapistan Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Oh god finally yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eden Taylor Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 This is really really dumb. But, best of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 I guess we can't talk tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuletide Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Give them hell Rok, good move, glad to see this going where it is. Good luck to both parties involved in the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Cristof Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Oh man. I love RoK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Nova Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 So begins another war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestro Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 I was expecting something more scandalous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 o/ ROK. I don't have much sympathy for rogues, and can't say you didnt make things clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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