kevin32891 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Schattenmann why not just raid their spheres? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzelger Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I find it amusing to compare Schattenmann's stance here to his behavior during the last global referendum on tech raiding. Alas; that's the only thing amusing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Uruk Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='kevin32891' date='20 July 2010 - 09:47 AM' timestamp='1279637214' post='2380574'] Schattenmann why not just raid their spheres? [/quote] Because none of us would care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penkala Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='pezstar' date='20 July 2010 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1279637097' post='2380570'] I am extremely disappointed in this. The general attitude of "We're on top, we'll do what we want" in this thread is sickening to us, an alliance who fought our butts off to get you there. This is sure as hell not what we fought for. I don't even know what to say. Shame on you all, and shame on us for thinking it would actually be different. [/quote] Raiding unaligned nations is worse than viceroys. Quit being a drama queen Pez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acca Dacca Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 This topic did not deliver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='pezstar' date='20 July 2010 - 10:45 AM' timestamp='1279637097' post='2380570'] I am extremely disappointed in this. The general attitude of "We're on top, we'll do what we want" in this thread is sickening to us, an alliance who fought our butts off to get you there. This is sure as hell not what we fought for. I don't even know what to say. Shame on you all, and shame on us for thinking it would actually be different. [/quote] [color="#0000FF"]Do I have to dig up some of my old comments from last summer? Can't say I didn't warn you.[/color] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Moon Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I hope NPO lifts their boot and gives you cowards another stomping. I'm not in a position to do much, but I will continue to push my alliance to avoid ending up in a position where we're defending UJP 2.0. Non-chaining clauses are there for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jer Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Penkala' date='20 July 2010 - 03:54 PM' timestamp='1279637655' post='2380578'] Raiding unaligned nations is worse than viceroys. Quit being a drama queen Pez. [/quote] Trying to get people to judge your benevolence against previous, and now defunct, NPO standards is pretty silly because those standards were so low that exceeding them in itself is nothing noteworthy. It's getting boring listening to you patting your side on the back for not implementing viceroys, when you're still operating below a line of decency. Viceroys was way way way down below that line, but does that mean that everything above is fine? Obviously not. You can still be dicks without implementing viceroys. It'd just be nicer if you set your own standards, instead of defaulting to the 'at least we're not quite as terrible as the NPO, judge us on those long-dead standards please' stance any time you get called on your crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoindotnler Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Acca Dacca' date='20 July 2010 - 04:55 PM' timestamp='1279637687' post='2380580'] This topic did not deliver. [/quote] Give it some time, it's only page 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='WalkerNinja' date='20 July 2010 - 09:28 AM' timestamp='1279632509' post='2380490'] This looks a lot less like a nuisance, and much more like the systematic economic destruction of an entire sphere. I suppose the only thing that these guiltless red nations can do is leave the red sphere. When did Pingu become an apologist for what amounts to a race war? [/quote] Pingu didn't. 'Race war'? Seriously? I won't ask when WalkerNinja became an overwrought propagandist, since it seems second nature to him. Raiding is disgusting. But it has never been and almost certainly will never be effectively countered by public diplomacy of this kind. Red sphere states can do what states have always had to do on an anarchic Bob - join together in alliances for mutual protection. I wish it were otherwise, but wishing changes nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 EVERYTHING WE DO WILL BE KEWL AS LONG AS WE DONT INSTALL VICEROYS. That about sums up the general attitude of the New Hegemony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Noldorin Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='pezstar' date='20 July 2010 - 09:45 AM' timestamp='1279637097' post='2380570'] I am extremely disappointed in this. The general attitude of "We're on top, we'll do what we want" in this thread is sickening to us, an alliance who fought our butts off to get you there. This is sure as hell not what we fought for. I don't even know what to say. Shame on you all, and shame on us for thinking it would actually be different. [/quote] This is the New World you helped create. Suck it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicalTrevor Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' date='20 July 2010 - 04:05 PM' timestamp='1279638319' post='2380601'] This is the New World you helped create. Suck it up. [/quote] In this dark new world, nobody without an alliance is safe Not even on the red team What have we become Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leet Guy Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Corinan' date='20 July 2010 - 11:04 AM' timestamp='1279638261' post='2380598'] EVERYTHING WE DO WILL BE KEWL AS LONG AS WE DONT INSTALL VICEROYS. That about sums up the general attitude of the New Hegemony. [/quote] Literally the only thing different now. Literally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinan Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 And honestly I'm quite confident that the New Hegemony would be rolling alliances and installing viceroys had the Old Hegemony not already made it so taboo to do so. Clearly not the "freedom fighters" they once tried to pass themselves off as. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shilo Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) I agree with Feanor. It's one of those "I told you so" moments Oh, and a mandatory "NPO did worse so we're ok". Edited July 20, 2010 by shilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' date='20 July 2010 - 11:05 AM' timestamp='1279638319' post='2380601'] This is the New World you helped create. Suck it up. [/quote] It is still 100 times better than the world you tried to uphold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
der_ko Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='AirMe' date='20 July 2010 - 03:50 PM' timestamp='1279633823' post='2380516'] I clearly remember them better than you do because we fought against other imposing their wills just because they were stronger and that is what you are doing now. The main outrage about Red was how they didn't allow other alliances on the color. I have no issues with them protecting the unaligned, in fact I applaud it. Here is the thing, you need to drop the "Well, they imposed their will on us and now we need to get back at them" mentality. And if you guys had really thought about it, instead of giving this an actual name and just went about normal raiding practices it wouldn't be an issue. Instead you guys loosely organized a maneuver that some consider an act of war or at the very least trying to bait Pacifica into a war. [/quote] We're not imposing our will on the NPO. We're stopping the NPO from imposing their will on us. Huuuge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pezstar Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Feanor Noldorin' date='20 July 2010 - 11:05 AM' timestamp='1279638319' post='2380601'] This is the New World you helped create. Suck it up. [/quote] TOP was there too, if I recall correctly. And I usually do recall correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalkerNinja Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) Perhaps I [i]was[/i] a bit overwrought. Forgive my Schattenman moment. But you make a statement that interests me: [quote name='Pingu' date='20 July 2010 - 10:04 AM' timestamp='1279638222' post='2380596'] Raiding is disgusting. [/quote] If this is the case, what would you call individuals that escalate raiding to the level of interalliance coordination? Are they too disgusting? Edited July 20, 2010 by WalkerNinja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leet Guy Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='Corinan' date='20 July 2010 - 11:10 AM' timestamp='1279638584' post='2380606'] And honestly I'm quite confident that the New Hegemony would be rolling alliances and installing viceroys had the Old Hegemony not already made it so taboo to do so. Clearly not the "freedom fighters" they once tried to pass themselves off as. [/quote] I'm not even going to bother arguing with someone who is so blatantly narrow minded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shilo Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) [quote name='pezstar' date='20 July 2010 - 05:11 PM' timestamp='1279638688' post='2380612'] TOP was there too, if I recall correctly. And I usually do recall correctly. [/quote] And TOP tried to help this one specific ally of yours in stopping this, if I recall correctly. And I know I recall correctly. Edit: Forgot to add another "NPO did worse, we're okay" comment. Edited July 20, 2010 by shilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o-dog Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='AirMe' date='20 July 2010 - 04:11 PM' timestamp='1279638659' post='2380610'] It is still 100 times better than the world you tried to uphold. [/quote] Many would beg to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 [quote name='WalkerNinja' date='20 July 2010 - 11:12 AM' timestamp='1279638721' post='2380613'] If this is the case, what would you call individuals that escalate raiding to the level of interalliance coordination? Are they too disgusting? [/quote] Within the rules of discourse permitted in this venue, I suppose I must call them "misguided persons with whom I have serious ethical differences." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shilo Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 (edited) [quote name='AirMe' date='20 July 2010 - 05:11 PM' timestamp='1279638659' post='2380610'] It is still 100 times better than the world you tried to uphold. [/quote] Actually, in your world that you helped create, with New Hegemony only being in total control now for a months now, I would say you are definitely on your merry way of reenactment. But if it helps you sleep at night. Also, mandatory "NPO did worse, so we're okay" comment. Edited July 20, 2010 by shilo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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