Declaration of War

[Bilrow]

Xiphosis is like me in 2007. I used to do this all the time to Browncoats just by changing the Def Con Level of GGA in our public IRC room.

So that means Xiphosis is as bad as me, and GOD is as bad as GGA.

Chew on that.

[Jens of the desert]

[quote name='pezstar' date='14 July 2010 - 05:29 AM' timestamp='1279081758' post='2370336']
I would rather be tied to Valhalla than to this pack of jerks.

Edit:



No. They can't. It takes a few days. I assume you'll be compensating them for their financial losses because of your stupid "joke"?
[/quote]
They don't owe anyone a damn thing.

[Masterof9puppets]

[quote name='Dochartaigh' date='14 July 2010 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1279138454' post='2371401']
Well, this proved that Vesalius can't really be trusted. Hopefully he learned his lesson that one should never lie to their allies, regardless of intention. Though most would have assumed that to be common sense, the list given by Xiph of leaders willing to lie to allies over something so ridiculous, makes one wonder if it truly is.
[/quote]

Visa is a fine man, a really good person. He was just trying to play a joke on Val, have you never played a joke on a close friend? I know I have, and I always feel bad when they backfire. Mistakes are mistakes, and lessons are learned.

On the other hand, I really, really love your sig. I don't know if you were the one that made it or not, but it has great design.

[quote name='Iserlohn' date='14 July 2010 - 04:14 PM' timestamp='1279138480' post='2371402']
Not to mention, Valhalla isn't exactly "humiliated" by getting 45/112 members to peace mode on short notice. Strategic quibbles aside, kudos on a fast mobilization, Valhalla.
[/quote]

This is why I put it in quotations

[quote name='Kryievla' date='14 July 2010 - 04:21 PM' timestamp='1279138895' post='2371427']
This.

It is a testament to the strength of our relationship, that we fell for it in the first place. A judgment in error was made. This will be worked out precisely because of that same strength of relationship.

o/ Kronos
[/quote]

o/ Kry, and o/ Valhalla

[Corinan]

[quote name='Jens of the desert' date='14 July 2010 - 04:28 PM' timestamp='1279139274' post='2371443']
They don't owe anyone a damn thing.
[/quote]

Oh I'm pretty sure they do, tough guy.

[Jonesing]

[quote name='Iserlohn' date='14 July 2010 - 09:12 PM' timestamp='1279138351' post='2371395']
This is a pretty pointless post. Please, provide some examples or details.
[/quote]
I'm not bothered enough to go back further then the last page, but here's 1 example for you:
[quote name='steviewonder' date='14 July 2010 - 07:47 PM' timestamp='1279133210' post='2371281']
That's not what going en masse into peace mode would suggest.
[/quote]

It's quite simply a stupid and idiotic post. Suggesting that Valhalla going to peace mode suggests some sort of cowardly move is quite simply stupid and idiotic.

Anyway, it's just an impression I've got from reading posts by GOONS 2.0 members and TBH, also from GOD members, so it's probably just a case of birds of a feather and all that. Me having an impression you have some stupid and idiotic members and you having some good posts aren't mutually exclusive, it's just the impression I got and not how I remembered GOONS 1.0, who I loved dearly!

meh, I wouldn't take it too personally, you're obviously happy where you are ATM, my impression of you shouldn't offend you so much, and if it does and you're that touchy, all I'll say is thank goodness you weren't on the receiving end of this little "joke"!

[NLights]

It's actually pretty cool to see how close you two are. Congratulations for that.

I'm not sure the egos of more than a few alliance leaders would have survived this.

[Sandwich Controversy]

[quote name='Jrenster' date='14 July 2010 - 04:20 PM' timestamp='1279138807' post='2371421']
I'm curious, GOONs: what was the piece of "legitimate" evidence that you guys had to show Valhalla was spying? Or was that evidence non-existent and you just lied to everyone who asked?
[/quote]
Hmmm yes, I too am curious why this evidence has not yet been released. Shame on you, GOONS.

[Archon]

[quote name='PumpkinFunk' date='14 July 2010 - 07:29 AM' timestamp='1279106928' post='2370757']
I have been on Planet Bob for 3 and a half years, and very few times could I say I've been this disgusted before, and usually not for a joke, but for very serious things - forum hackings, serious OOC attacks, the /b/pocalypse. This is different, though. This truly crosses so many lines of conduct, ethics, and just common curtesy to your fellow CNers. This is the first time I have seen an alliance scare the living crap out of another alliance for its life using their mutual ally. The fact of the matter is, not even NPO in its heydey would've pulled something like this, and you all know this. This is one of the sickest moves I have seen in a long, long time. Fabricate logs. Get the mutual ally to post a fake treaty cancellation and ask about it. Threaten the other alliance and send them into mass peace mode. I thought far better of GOONS and Kronos especially before this. Now, I'm disgusted by them. GOD, GOONS, SuperFriends, C&G, when you start seeing your allies slowly move away from you after events like this, you should remember the fate of NPO and their allies before you and how you (SuperFriends especially) abandoned them. Things like this have a tendency to come back and bite you in the $@! unless you decide to run a curbstomp every 2-3 months to keep your enemies down. You may think it's funny now and think you can gloat and mock Valhalla and their allies and even non-allies who defend them (including people who are, in fact, more closely allied to you than them), but realize that as you do that, you alienate even your allies and you start the beginning of the end for this sort of reign of terror. Yes, terror. This isn't a joke, it's an act of terrorism - you scared Valhalla so much that they believed they were going to not just be hit hard, but decimated. I don't like Valhalla, beyond a few members, but today, I feel for them, because they have just suffered perhaps the most disgusting, inhumane joke that I have ever seen in CN. At the hands of "allies."

One word to describe what this was: Low. If the tables had been turned, you had been on the weaker side, and you had been the victim, you know that you wouldn't be taking it well and laughing about it.
[/quote]

Can someone let me know if I'm reading this right? It sure sounds to me that this quoted comment is making this 'joke' out to be worse than the /b/ombing.

And yes, that's the only comment I'm making on this whole thing.

[Rebel Virginia]

[quote name='Tromp' date='14 July 2010 - 08:56 AM' timestamp='1279112147' post='2370825']
You know what is funny?

That Valhalla fell for the joke, even though there was [b]no[/b] proof of spying whatsoever, which obviously Valhalla government should have known.

It shows how incompetent and paranoid some people are.
[/quote]
[color="#0000FF"]I know you've been around a long time, so you should know this just as well as I do. When an alliance wants to hit one it doesn't like, you've be surprised at the scraps of nothing that it can turn into 'proof' overnight. Valhalla would have had to be completely incompetent not to prepare for that possibility, or to take the threat seriously.

OOC: Last night I was informed that Corinan was using a Harry Potter avatar, and that it was being considered an OOC attack against Xiph. Considering that there is a precedent for such a thing, you better believe I took it seriously. Like it or not all of you are the same types of people that made up the NPO's Hegemony so long ago. The only difference is that you were on the receiving end while they were on the giving. The NPO did a lot of these funnies at first, before it became real. It really is only a matter of time before what you're doing is no longer a joke.[/color]

[R&R-Viking]

[quote name='SonOfHoward' date='14 July 2010 - 04:21 PM' timestamp='1279138879' post='2371424']
They can't come out of PM for 3 days. Above all I thought GOD knew the war system.

Xiph you better dust off those war guides.
[/quote]

Xiph get the sarcasm one while you're in the library.

[Jens of the desert]

[quote name='Corinan' date='14 July 2010 - 09:31 PM' timestamp='1279139474' post='2371450']
Oh I'm pretty sure they do, tough guy.
[/quote]
If your government sends out a message for it's own alliance to go into peace mode because of a rumour, they should know better.

It was their choice to believe it, and they will pay the consequences for their rash decision-making.

[Daikos]

This thread is in desperate need of a "do something about it" line.

EDIT: herp derp

Edited July 14, 2010 by Daikos

[Lord Rune]

If, instead of going to peace mode, Valhalla had decided to launch a pre-emptive attack, what would the response have been?

[Daikos]

[quote name='Lord Rune' date='14 July 2010 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1279140027' post='2371470']
If, instead of going to peace mode, Valhalla had decided to launch a pre-emptive attack, what would the response have been?
[/quote]

Something far more entertaining than this train wreck of a thread.

[Sandwich Controversy]

[quote name='Lord Rune' date='14 July 2010 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1279140027' post='2371470']
If, instead of going to peace mode, Valhalla had decided to launch a pre-emptive attack, what would the response have been?
[/quote]
Hilarity. Utter hilarity.

[Alterego]

[quote name='Jens of the desert' date='14 July 2010 - 09:39 PM' timestamp='1279139939' post='2371466']
If your government sends out a message for it's own alliance to go into peace mode because of a rumour, they should know better.

It was their choice to believe it, and they will pay the consequences for their rash decision-making.
[/quote]
Your ally passing you "solid" information (lies) isnt the same thing as a rumour. If you believe that you think very little of the word of your allies.

[Alterego]

[quote name='Lord Rune' date='14 July 2010 - 09:40 PM' timestamp='1279140027' post='2371470']
If, instead of going to peace mode, Valhalla had decided to launch a pre-emptive attack, what would the response have been?
[/quote]
Thats probably what they wanted.

[Sardonic]

[quote name='Jonesing' date='14 July 2010 - 03:32 PM' timestamp='1279139528' post='2371453']
Anyway, it's just an impression I've got from reading posts by GOONS 2.0 members and TBH, also from GOD members, so it's probably just a case of birds of a feather and all that. Me having an impression you have some stupid and idiotic members and you having some good posts aren't mutually exclusive, it's just the impression I got and not how I remembered GOONS 1.0, who I loved dearly!
[/quote]
You're delusional if you think GOONS 1.0 would love you back now, look at your allies for god's sake. Also congrats on forming an opinion of an alliance of 340 people based on a single post by a non-gov member.

[quote name='Lord Rune' date='14 July 2010 - 03:40 PM' timestamp='1279140027' post='2371470']
If, instead of going to peace mode, Valhalla had decided to launch a pre-emptive attack, what would the response have been?
[/quote]
Well obviously we would have rolled Valhalla and we've have had a short and extremely one sided war.

[quote name='Alterego' date='14 July 2010 - 03:43 PM' timestamp='1279140163' post='2371478']
Your ally passing you "solid" information (lies) isnt the same thing as a rumour. If you believe that you think very little of the word of your allies.
[/quote]
Derwood was one of the first people I notified of the truth when the game was afoot.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Sardonic

[Daikos]

[quote name='Alterego' date='14 July 2010 - 04:43 PM' timestamp='1279140209' post='2371480']
Thats probably what they wanted.
[/quote]

How do you afford all the tin foil for those hats?

[ktarthan]

[quote name='Alterego' date='14 July 2010 - 01:43 PM' timestamp='1279140209' post='2371480']
Thats probably what they wanted.
[/quote]
Is it that obvious?

[Dochartaigh]

[quote name='Masterof9puppets' date='14 July 2010 - 03:31 PM' timestamp='1279139446' post='2371449']
Visa is a fine man, a really good person. He was just trying to play a joke on Val, have you never played a joke on a close friend? I know I have, and I always feel bad when they backfire. Mistakes are mistakes, and lessons are learned.[/quote]

sure i have played a joke on a close friend before, but nothing of the sort like this. There really is no equivalent in the other awful realm beyond this world. I also usually go through as many scenarios in my head as possible before attempting a joke similar to this, to ensure it won't be something i need to feel really bad about later on.

[quote]On the other hand, I really, really love your sig. I don't know if you were the one that made it or not, but it has great design.[/quote]

nah i did not make this, i am not that graphics savvy.

[Solanine]

[quote name='Sandwich Controversy' date='14 July 2010 - 03:41 PM' timestamp='1279140085' post='2371475']
Hilarity. Utter hilarity.
[/quote]
I agree.

Also, PumpkinFunk, you are an idiot if you really think a well executed prank with no actual [OOC]game or forum[/OOC]-related damages, is equivalent to posting illegal pornography all over the damn place.

[R&R-Viking]

[quote name='ktarthan' date='14 July 2010 - 04:46 PM' timestamp='1279140395' post='2371486']
Is it that obvious?
[/quote]

I stopped trying about three or four posts in, myself.

[Alterego]

[quote name='Daikos' date='14 July 2010 - 09:44 PM' timestamp='1279140270' post='2371482']
How do you afford all the tin foil for those hats?
[/quote]
You are in a thread where GOD/GOONS/Kronos admit lying and making up a fake CB.

[Penkala]

[quote name='Alterego' date='14 July 2010 - 03:54 PM' timestamp='1279137274' post='2371359']
Kronos planned and carried out an act of deception against an ally. They lied, fed them false information and joined the "cool" kids in a room to enjoy their public humilation all the while laughing at them behind their back. There is nothing harmless about that? They intended to harm them, just not by taking their NS.
[/quote]

They joked that a war was coming. Valhalla went to peace mode. Please stop spinning this.

[quote]I know you've been around a long time, so you should know this just as well as I do. When an alliance wants to hit one it doesn't like, you've be surprised at the scraps of nothing that it can turn into 'proof' overnight. Valhalla would have had to be completely incompetent not to prepare for that possibility, or to take the threat seriously.

OOC: Last night I was informed that Corinan was using a Harry Potter avatar, and that it was being considered an OOC attack against Xiph. Considering that there is a precedent for such a thing, you better believe I took it seriously. Like it or not all of you are the same types of people that made up the NPO's Hegemony so long ago. The only difference is that you were on the receiving end while they were on the giving. The NPO did a lot of these funnies at first, before it became real. It really is only a matter of time before what you're doing is no longer a joke. [/quote]

Unfortunately for you, there is no history of making up evidence to roll alliances post-Karma. That was something you and your kind did, and there's no reason to expect it from SG, because that's just not the way we operate.

[quote]If, instead of going to peace mode, Valhalla had decided to launch a pre-emptive attack, what would the response have been? [/quote]

Hilarity. Edit: Also [quote]Hilarity. Utter hilarity. [/quote]

[quote]You are in a thread where GOD/GOONS/Kronos admit lying and making up a fake CB. [/quote]

You're [i]so bad[/i] at this spinning thing. GOD did not make up a fake CB to attack someone like you and your friends did, they joked about having a CB they didn't have.

Edited July 14, 2010 by Penkala