Announcement from The Order of the Paradox

[flak attack]

Mongrel has a hard time letting things die. He also gets mad easily and over little stupid things. That tends to lead to problems for him.

[ZeTyon]

[quote name='Mongrel' date='16 July 2010 - 03:16 AM' timestamp='1279242966' post='2373863']
First of review your facts child, the charter amendment was proposed before I brought up the matter.[/quote]

So you actually agree that a solution to the whole "problem" was already on its way? Awesome.



[quote name='Mongrel' date='16 July 2010 - 03:16 AM' timestamp='1279242966' post='2373863']Now if you're so insecure with yourselves that you need to harp over my comment, I can't help it.[/quote]

Ah the good ol' "at the very moment you reply to me it proves my point"-tactic.



[quote name='Mongrel' date='16 July 2010 - 03:16 AM' timestamp='1279242966' post='2373863']I left because I questioned the fact that the TOP government was abusing their power and the majority of membership showed complete apathy towards the matter.[/quote]

Well uhm i know its nice to be the rebel and fight against windmills but seriously?
Because people were not on your side they showed "apathy" to the "matter"? That is certainly a way to think of any opposition.

And how did "the government" abuse their powers? By letting the members decide? Oh cruel democratic dictatorship, lets us decide on the matter.



[quote name='Mongrel' date='16 July 2010 - 03:16 AM' timestamp='1279242966' post='2373863']Only a few people would even agree with my arguments, while the majority talked in circles and refused to address specific questions. Most told me I was wrong, some behaved like children and threw insults. It's interesting how when I bring it up here both of you have no problem admitting I was right. But hey, I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand, after all that's why I didn't want to be part of your alliance.
[/quote]

Are you one of those people that try to swallow a bottle if it doesnt say "do not try to swallow the bottle" on the bottle?
Its fascinating that you are still so worked up about it. Yes it wasnt specified in the charter. That has been dealt with, via democracy. Problem solved. Oh wait of course not. Now you would have to do the 2nd test(about 15 minutes) and this is where the problem lies. Of course you wouldnt admit it. And of course iam one of those members that just follows "the government" into anything.
I hope our windmill is coloured in orange and black.

[Mongrel]

[quote name='Believland' date='15 July 2010 - 09:33 PM' timestamp='1279244014' post='2373884']
Why are you complaining about stuff that happened over a year ago? Most people would be happy to make a contribution to an alliance rather than just playing games with other leaders. Yes, how TOP treated you was pretty pathetic, but you should just let this die.
[/quote]

I merely made a comment that TOP has shown an inability to comprehend their charter, it's TOP who has now decided to derail this thread and make it about me.

[quote name='ZeTyon' date='16 July 2010 - 03:06 AM' timestamp='1279263951' post='2374282']
... talking in a circular motion ...[/quote]

Like I said, this thread isn't about me, I don't really need to watch you talk in circles, if you haven't been following that's part of why I left your alliance.

[kotic]

Good move TOP real honest good PR too hehehe

[Blue Lightning]

You're the one derailing the thread with an irrelevant pot shot at our government over something pathetically insignificant as an admission policy which you disagreed with. All members have to pass a GA exam to be admitted into the GA. The fact this wasn't in the charter was only because no-one had cared enough to amend it. You (or someone) brought it up and within a week or two we fix the charter to reflect the system we've been using for years. Why you got upset over it to the point of leaving even after the problem was fixed, only you seem to know.

However, none of this is in any way relevant to the thread, so why have you brought it up?

[Mongrel]

[quote name='Blue Lightning' date='17 July 2010 - 05:34 PM' timestamp='1279402465' post='2376274']
You're the one derailing the thread with an irrelevant pot shot at our government over something pathetically insignificant as an admission policy which you disagreed with. All members have to pass a GA exam to be admitted into the GA. The fact this wasn't in the charter was only because no-one had cared enough to amend it. You (or someone) brought it up and within a week or two we fix the charter to reflect the system we've been using for years. Why you got upset over it to the point of leaving even after the problem was fixed, only you seem to know.

However, none of this is in any way relevant to the thread, so why have you brought it up?
[/quote]

Actually I should revise my initial (relevent) statement that TOP lacks the ability to comprehend their own charter. The reality is most of TOP lack the intellect to comprehend any written words in general. I could also point out the amazing ability you have just shown in contradicting yourself in a single paragraph, but really I could just point out that all these replies made to my initial statement are just proving my point.

[Feanor Noldorin]

Such stinging insults makes me sad.

Edited July 17, 2010 by Feanor Noldorin

[Titus Pullo]

[quote name='Blue Lightning' date='17 July 2010 - 05:34 PM' timestamp='1279402465' post='2376274']
You're the one derailing the thread with an irrelevant pot shot at our government over something pathetically insignificant as an admission policy which you disagreed with. All members have to pass a GA exam to be admitted into the GA. The fact this wasn't in the charter was only because no-one had cared enough to amend it. You (or someone) brought it up and within a week or two we fix the charter to reflect the system we've been using for years. Why you got upset over it to the point of leaving even after the problem was fixed, only you seem to know.

However, none of this is in any way relevant to the thread, so why have you brought it up?
[/quote]

[quote name='TOP Charter']Section 1: Application

To apply for membership in the Order each nation must post the following information in a location specified by the Grand Hospitaller:

5. Any other information required by the Grand Hospitaller.[/quote]

Just sayin'

As GH, I had the power to require you to send me a picture of yourself in front of a church on Sunday dressed in a pink tutu, wearing a black shirt that said "I <3 Johan", with a cookie in one hand and a platypus doll in the other.

As for the GA admission:
[quote name='TOP Charter']
Section 3: General Assembly

A. All Order members in good standing and having accumulated 15 days in the Order, a nation strength of at least 600, and 20 posts in the TOP forum are admitted to the General Assembly, the Electoral and Preliminary legislative chamber of the Order. Each member of the General Assembly holds one vote. This provision shall not apply retroactively to those members of the Order currently admitted to the General Assembly.[/quote]

The definition of "good standing" is subjective and therefore left up to the Grand Hospitaller as to its meaning. Indeed, it is a direct responsibility of the Grand Inductor's to ensure proper training, and the Grand Hospitaller can use the fulfillment of such training as a requirement to be in good standing.


Obviously it is you, Mongrel, that lacks the ability to comprehend a few fairly basic clauses of the TOP Charter.

-Longbowe
ex-Resident TOP Charter Maniac

Edited July 17, 2010 by Titus Pullo

[Mongrel]

[quote name='Titus Pullo' date='17 July 2010 - 07:00 PM' timestamp='1279407625' post='2376379']
...
[/quote]

Well since you weren't able to see the discussion that took place when I brought this up I'll cut you a break. If you want specifics you can PM me. All I will say is that I'd suspect you may actually agree with my viewpoint when I tell you that I basically made the same points you just put forward and was told I was wrong. You can go on defending TOP, but maybe you should ask to see the relevent parts of their forums before making assumptions.

[Crispy99]

[quote name='Mongrel' date='17 July 2010 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1279412711' post='2376464']
Well since you weren't able to see the discussion that took place when I brought this up I'll cut you a break. If you want specifics you can PM me. All I will say is that I'd suspect you may actually agree with my viewpoint when I tell you that I basically made the same points you just put forward and was told I was wrong. You can go on defending TOP, but maybe you should ask to see the relevent parts of their forums before making assumptions.
[/quote]

No, Mongrel, you threw a massive fit then left when we wouldn't concede to your demand you be given GA privileges without having to take the exam that every other Paradoxian before you took, and without complaint I might add. It was definitely one of the most immature displays I've seen in my time here. The fact that you are in here acting sour months after the fact in a thread explaining an unfortunate event that has befallen us, which has nothing to do with you, further illustrates my point.

I strongly suggest you take what dignity you have and leave this thread. Go discuss your hard feelings somewhere else.

[Believland]

[quote name='Mongrel' date='17 July 2010 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1279412711' post='2376464']
Well since you weren't able to see the discussion that took place when I brought this up I'll cut you a break. If you want specifics you can PM me. All I will say is that I'd suspect you may actually agree with my viewpoint when I tell you that I basically made the same points you just put forward and was told I was wrong. You can go on defending TOP, but maybe you should ask to see the relevent parts of their forums before making assumptions.
[/quote]
Sir,
I advise you not to &#*( with charters when Shortbowe is around.

BEazy

[James I]

Mongrel would have a field day in MK.

[Mongrel]

[quote name='Crispy99' date='17 July 2010 - 08:53 PM' timestamp='1279414362' post='2376493']
No, Mongrel, you threw a massive fit then left when we wouldn't concede to your demand you be given GA privileges without having to take the exam that every other Paradoxian before you took, and without complaint I might add. It was definitely one of the most immature displays I've seen in my time here. The fact that you are in here acting sour months after the fact in a thread explaining an unfortunate event that has befallen us, which has nothing to do with you, further illustrates my point.

I strongly suggest you take what dignity you have and leave this thread. Go discuss your hard feelings somewhere else.
[/quote]

As I said before, keep proving my point. I merely made a comment, and it has all been TOP members who have decided to bring it all up. I'm over it, I spent some time in TOP, found out it was not as advertised and moved on. The sour taste seems to be stuck in your mouth.


[quote name='Believland' date='17 July 2010 - 09:03 PM' timestamp='1279414987' post='2376498']
Sir,
I advise you not to &#*( with charters when Shortbowe is around.

BEazy
[/quote]

I will reiterate, I made the exact same points he just put forward, which is why I said he'd most likely argee with me.

[Titus Pullo]

[quote name='Mongrel' date='17 July 2010 - 08:25 PM' timestamp='1279412711' post='2376464']
Well since you weren't able to see the discussion that took place when I brought this up I'll cut you a break. If you want specifics you can PM me. All I will say is that I'd suspect you may actually agree with my viewpoint when I tell you that I basically made the same points you just put forward and was told I was wrong. You can go on defending TOP, but maybe you should ask to see the relevent parts of their forums before making assumptions.
[/quote]

Feel free to send me your talking points, I would be interested to see if I do agree with them, however you can ask anyone in TOP and know that I used the Charter to its full extent during my time there. If you made the same points that I just put forward, then you would have taken the test and become a member of the General Assembly without question. I'd hate to take a Crymsonian stance on this, but in this case the charter was perfectly fine as it was, as was the system that was in place.

[Mongrel]

[quote name='Titus Pullo' date='17 July 2010 - 09:32 PM' timestamp='1279416733' post='2376522']
Feel free to send me your talking points, I would be interested to see if I do agree with them, however you can ask anyone in TOP and know that I used the Charter to its full extent during my time there. If you made the same points that I just put forward, then you would have taken the test and become a member of the General Assembly without question. I'd hate to take a Crymsonian stance on this, but in this case the charter was perfectly fine as it was, as was the system that was in place.
[/quote]

If you want to keep speaking on assumptions I'm not going to respond, feel free to speak to me in private if this really interests you. I'll let TOP continue the derailment, but since you are not a member of TOP and you have no knowledge of my situation it would be wrong for me to respond to you in this forum.

Edited July 18, 2010 by Mongrel

[Titus Pullo]

[quote name='Mongrel' date='17 July 2010 - 09:44 PM' timestamp='1279417460' post='2376534']
If you want to keep speaking on assumptions I'm not going to respond, feel free to speak to me in private if this really interests you. I'll let TOP continue the derailment, but since you are not a member of TOP and you have no knowledge of my situation it would be wrong for me to respond to you in this forum.
[/quote]

Enjoy your new alliance, I hope their charter is easier for you to understand.

As is customary:

ALL HAIL JOHAN, GOD OF THUNDER AND ROCK AND ROLL
ALL POWER AND GLORY BE TO FEANOR, THE SECOND PROPHET, SWORD OF JOHAN

[Mongrel]

[quote name='Titus Pullo' date='17 July 2010 - 09:53 PM' timestamp='1279417998' post='2376543']
Enjoy your new alliance, I hope their charter is easier for you to understand.

As is customary:

ALL HAIL JOHAN, GOD OF THUNDER AND ROCK AND ROLL
ALL POWER AND GLORY BE TO FEANOR, THE SECOND PROPHET, SWORD OF JOHAN
[/quote]

Oh boy, I see you're afflicted with the same inability to comprehend language. I guess it's fitting you should stand up to defend them with no knowledge of what you're talking about. I guess it's all the same thing.

[Titus Pullo]

Mongrel and I just had a nice discussion. I can agree with one of his points, it's a repetition of one that I brought up many times. However, we still do disagree on a few key points, and I think we'll leave it at that.

Edited July 18, 2010 by Titus Pullo

[Steve Buscemi]

Your fall from what you once were still saddens me. And you were even making topics about other members doing exactly what your leader was doing.

Sorry to say but that's as hypocritical as it can get....right here.

[Chaoshawk]

I see you didn't realize when the last post was made.

Edited August 10, 2010 by Chaoshawk

[Tocsii]

Gravedig.