North Tahoe News Thread

[Subtleknifewielder]

[quote name='Sargun' date='25 June 2010 - 12:26 PM' timestamp='1277493956' post='2350241']
"So an unconfirmed and admittedly a simple "report" with nothing to back it up is a potentially damning news release? Perhaps your country should have laws about 'innocent until proven guilty'."
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"Yes, it is potentially damning...because regardless of the facts, there are those who would believe it. it has certainly caused a hue and cry among nations that would have otherwise left well enough alone. As for innocent until proven guilty...that ridiculous comment hardly merits a response."

[quote name='Vince Sixx' date='25 June 2010 - 12:54 PM' timestamp='1277495678' post='2350271']
[b]Statement from the North Tahoan Administration:[/b]
I don't believe in restricting the press. If they want to do something, they can. Nothing in the news, unless it is a direct quote, is representative of the government. Just as if someone in your country spoke out against Tahoe, I would not hold it against your government, because you have no control over the citizens speech. All people have a right to speak their minds, and all people have the right to put it in print, or on the net. Whether they found sources or not is their own problem. I will [i]not [/i]force upon my citizen ANY act that will inhibit the right to say what they want.
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"The press' job is to release the truth, nothing more. Also, there is no such thing as free speech, unless you permit citizens to recklessly say what they want regardless of the harm to others. For example, yelling 'fire' in a crowded building is going to lead to at the very least panic."

[Sargun II]

[quote name='Subtleknifewielder' date='25 June 2010 - 03:03 PM' timestamp='1277496201' post='2350277']
"The press' job is to release the truth, nothing more. Also, there is no such thing as free speech, unless you permit citizens to recklessly say what they want regardless of the harm to others. For example, yelling 'fire' in a crowded building is going to lead to at the very least panic."
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"No, it wouldn't - if there is no fire, nobody will respond. In fact, Tahoan building codes are so strict that somebody yelling fire in a crowded building is going to be laughed at, because fires are not only insanely rare but the sensing technology is mandated to be so strong that alarms and sprinklers would go off before any human notice. Yet another instance of Australian government failure."

[Subtleknifewielder]

[quote name='Sargun' date='25 June 2010 - 01:07 PM' timestamp='1277496438' post='2350282']
"No, it wouldn't - if there is no fire, nobody will respond. In fact, Tahoan building codes are so strict that somebody yelling fire in a crowded building is going to be laughed at, because fires are not only insanely rare but the sensing technology is mandated to be so strong that alarms and sprinklers would go off before any human notice. Yet another instance of Australian government failure."
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"It was just an example. And are you really so deluded you believe a crowd of people with o way of determining the validitiy of such a statement are not going to panic? Logic does not apply to crowds--else there would never be such a thing as mobs. The South Tahoan government apparently fails at simple human observation."

[Sargun II]

[quote name='Subtleknifewielder' date='25 June 2010 - 03:10 PM' timestamp='1277496640' post='2350285']
"It was just an example. And are you really so deluded you believe a crowd of people with o way of determining the validitiy of such a statement are not going to panic? Logic does not apply to crowds--else there would never be such a thing as mobs. The South Tahoan government apparently fails at simple human observation."
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"Seven people cried fire in a crowded theatre last year, and all were arrested for public nuisance and there were no mobs. What observation do we fail at again?"

[Bacharth]

[quote name='Subtleknifewielder' date='25 June 2010 - 01:03 PM' timestamp='1277496201' post='2350277']
"The press' job is to release the truth, nothing more. Also, there is no such thing as free speech, unless you permit citizens to recklessly say what they want regardless of the harm to others. For example, yelling 'fire' in a crowded building is going to lead to at the very least panic."
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The press' job is to release what they deem worthy to be news. Some of the more respectable papers and periodicals have not printed this, because they have found no source. However, a few nationalist and extremist publications have published this. The people vote with their eyes and wallets what is news-worthy. Credibility and trustworthiness are the two factors in whether a newspaper prints a story or not.

[Manetheren]

[quote]"The press' job is to release the truth, nothing more. Also, there is no such thing as free speech, unless you permit citizens to recklessly say what they want regardless of the harm to others. For example, yelling 'fire' in a crowded building is going to lead to at the very least panic." [/quote]

We do not know what type of activities goes on in Australia but such anti-social and irresponsible actions are unheard of in the Tahoe Republic. Our people are groomed from birth to be responsible and mature. Subsequently free speech is part of the Tahoan national fabric without worrying about immature abuses of the God given right.

[iamthey]

The reports released by the PNN only reported on the emergence of the evidence itself, they did not draw conclusions about it. That beings said various experts did look at the evidence and while there were some such as your own who concluded they were faked, there were others who said to the contrary. Thus our media determined it news worthy. That being said, our own Ministry of State requested our citizens and media wait for all the information to come in before making conclusions, it appears that we were likely correct in our skepticism of the evidence itself.

Examples of this kind of silliness happen all the time, there is no reason to get upset, or otherwise move towards the policy extremes of unnecessarily censoring the press. When allegations are made generally reality serves as an effective arbiter.

Edited June 25, 2010 by iamthey

[Subtleknifewielder]

[quote name='Sargun' date='25 June 2010 - 01:14 PM' timestamp='1277496875' post='2350292']
"Seven people cried fire in a crowded theatre last year, and all were arrested for public nuisance and there were no mobs. What observation do we fail at again?"
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Evidently at getting the point. We did not say there would be a mob in such a situation. That was a seperate example.

Now...you arrested them. What more needs be said? Obviously you do not tolerate such behavior. You yourself have just admitted it.

[quote name='Vince Sixx' date='25 June 2010 - 01:38 PM' timestamp='1277498291' post='2350311']
The press' job is to release what they deem worthy to be news. Some of the more respectable papers and periodicals have not printed this, because they have found no source. However, a few nationalist and extremist publications have published this. The people vote with their eyes and wallets what is news-worthy. Credibility and trustworthiness are the two factors in whether a newspaper prints a story or not.
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So the 'news' agencies that did publish it were in essence...tabloids?

[quote name='Emperor Mudd' date='25 June 2010 - 01:41 PM' timestamp='1277498492' post='2350314']
We do not know what type of activities goes on in Australia but such anti-social and irresponsible actions are unheard of in the Tahoe Republic. Our people are groomed from birth to be responsible and mature. Subsequently free speech is part of the Tahoan national fabric without worrying about immature abuses of the God given right.
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Right, because naturally every single person is going to be a law-abiding citizens. The Police must simply be a decoration then.

[quote name='iamthey' date='25 June 2010 - 03:32 PM' timestamp='1277505114' post='2350405']
The reports released by the PNN only reported on the emergence of the evidence itself, they did not draw conclusions about it. That beings said various experts did look at the evidence and while there were some such as your own who concluded they were faked, there were others who said to the contrary. Thus our media determined it news worthy. That being said, our own Ministry of State requested our citizens and media wait for all the information to come in before making conclusions, it appears that we were likely correct in our skepticism of the evidence itself.

Examples of this kind of silliness happen all the time, there is no reason to get upset, or otherwise move towards the policy extremes of unnecessarily censoring the press. When allegations are made generally reality serves as an effective arbiter.
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Then we commend you for your caution concerning the 'evidence.' No one is getting upset over the evidence itself--in fact our original statement had little to do with it. Certain elements chose to take it as a personal attack.

And reality only serves as such an arbiter when the facts are actually known.

[verum vox vocis]

[quote name='Vince Sixx' date='24 June 2010 - 12:12 AM' timestamp='1277363540' post='2348570']
OOC: ((If a Mod can change this title to "North Tahoe News Thread", that'd be great, thanks!))
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Topic changed at user's request