Roman Empire Announcement

[Varianz]

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It's become clear to the current leadership of the Roman Empire that there are some misconceptions floating around about the current situation. First, we would like to make it clear that we are in no way part of a coalition with Confusion or Mostly Harmful. Roman leadership was planning a war when we were approached by Marcus and asked to participate in a more widespread effort. Wanting a world-wide war, we agreed to be involved. However, it has become clear to us that
Marcus is using the current conflict to create the appearance that his power is greater then it truly is. We at the Roman Empire would like to recognize that our actions have helped him in this, and we regret that. This announcement is to make it clear that we will not take kindly to any attempts by certain groups to diminish our sovereignty by implying that we are part of a coalition and that they can control our actions. We have always been an independent, proud alliance, and we intend to stay that way. That is all.

/s/
Founder and Emperor Emeritus Tiberius12
Emperor TiredTyrant, Regent of the Roman Empire

[Confusion]

I totally agree with this post.

Thanks for the clarification.

And as always

o/ Rome

Edit: If you guys want I can make every AA in this war make a thread to clarify just so you guys see I don't have tools/manipulate people. And i'm not that horrible.

Edited June 5, 2010 by Confusion

[dogbite]

[quote name='Confusion' date='05 June 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1275775466' post='2325086']
I totally agree with this post.

Thanks for the clarification.

And as always

o/ Rome

Edit: If you guys want I can make every AA in this war make a thread to clarify just so you guys see I don't have tools/manipulate people. And i'm not that horrible.
[/quote]
O ya well i can make it rain nukes. Thanks for lining the sheep up. Tibs nothing but respect for you and RE. Good luck in your wars and have fun.

[Cellardoor]

So you guys are professing sovereignty and claiming you were going to attack anyways and thus Marcus isn't pulling your strings. You've got nations declaring on PS, TFK, TFD and UMB(I thought they were on your "side"?). So your assertion is that you were planning to go to war with three alliances simultaneously already?

Sorry, this isn't coming off as too believable to me.

[KOwens06]

[quote name='Cellardoor' date='05 June 2010 - 02:22 PM' timestamp='1275776526' post='2325115']
So you guys are professing sovereignty and claiming you were going to attack anyways and thus Marcus isn't pulling your strings. You've got nations declaring on PS, TFK, TFD and UMB(I thought they were on your "side"?). So your assertion is that you were planning to go to war with three alliances simultaneously already?

Sorry, this isn't coming off as too believable to me.
[/quote]

Not for me either, Although Tiberius I do respect. and then Marcus posting and saying he can make one for each alliance.... Yeah really believable.

[Schad]

[quote name='Confusion' date='05 June 2010 - 05:04 PM' timestamp='1275775466' post='2325086']

Edit: If you guys want I can make every AA in this war make a thread to clarify just so you guys see I don't have tools/manipulate people. And i'm not that horrible.
[/quote]

I'm not sure that this post does quite what you had desired...let's see:

[quote]Edit: If you guys want I can make every AA in this war[/quote]

...

[quote]just so you guys see I don't have tools/manipulate people[/quote]

Indeed, cajoling your coalition partners into making individual threads will go a long way toward restoring the appearance of sovereign action on their part.

[Varianz]

[quote name='Cellardoor' date='05 June 2010 - 06:22 PM' timestamp='1275776526' post='2325115']
So you guys are professing sovereignty and claiming you were going to attack anyways and thus Marcus isn't pulling your strings. You've got nations declaring on PS, TFK, TFD and UMB(I thought they were on your "side"?). So your assertion is that you were planning to go to war with three alliances simultaneously already?

Sorry, this isn't coming off as too believable to me.
[/quote]
RE and Umbrella were planning a joint war when we were approached by Marcus. Obviously plans had to shift, but the general idea was there. As for the wars with Umbrella, I've only noticed a couple, and those were not the orders given to our nations. We'll look into it and give you a better explanation.

[Varianz]

[quote name='Schad' date='05 June 2010 - 06:26 PM' timestamp='1275776751' post='2325128']
I'm not sure that this post does quite what you had desired...let's see:



...



Indeed, cajoling your coalition partners into making individual threads will go a long way toward restoring the appearance of sovereign action on their part.
[/quote]

Hence this thread. The Roman Empire does not take orders from anyone but it's Emperor.

[Cellardoor]

[quote name='Tiberius12' date='05 June 2010 - 04:26 PM' timestamp='1275776779' post='2325131']
RE and Umbrella were planning a joint war when we were approached by Marcus. Obviously plans had to shift, but the general idea was there. As for the wars with Umbrella, I've only noticed a couple, and those were not the orders given to our nations. We'll look into it and give you a better explanation.
[/quote]


Appreciate it. I'm not attacking you or anyone in specific, just letting you know what it looks like. And I'd be curious to hear the reasoning behind having PS on your original target list since, at the time, we were at war still.

[Schad]

[quote name='Tiberius12' date='05 June 2010 - 05:27 PM' timestamp='1275776844' post='2325135']
Hence this thread. The Roman Empire does not take orders from anyone but it's Emperor.
[/quote]

Yeah, I'm not saying otherwise; I just enjoy that, in making the case that he's but one of many players in this, Marcus ends up asserting that he is in fact in charge. There should be enough cognitive dissonance in that sentence to fell an adult moose.

Edit: stupid English language.

Edited June 5, 2010 by Schad

[shwypn]

I roll my eyes primarily.

edit: at everyone who believes Marcus is Dr. Evil in disguise, he had a war and I wanted to fight with Umbrella and MCXA anyone who think that all the AAs involved in this are just puppets under Marcus's direction is a loon. Either way, we have a war infront of us all, lets just try to have some fun, I know I'm just oozing excitement for the rain of nukes to follow.

Edited June 5, 2010 by shwypn

[paul711]

[quote name='Schad' date='05 June 2010 - 05:34 PM' timestamp='1275777255' post='2325148']
Yeah, I'm not saying otherwise; I just enjoy that, in making the case that he's but one of many players in this, Marcus ends up asserting that he is in fact in charge. There's should be enough cognitive dissonance in that sentence to fell an adult moose.
[/quote]
lol...that is very funny

[Lysander]

Seems like everything is same old same old. People snivelling about their obliterated pixels and RE kicking rear.

The White Knight of Britannia and RE's unofficial press has temporarily returned. Try not to cheer too loudly.

[Confusion]

[quote name='KOwens06' date='05 June 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1275776642' post='2325121']
Not for me either, Although Tiberius I do respect. and then Marcus posting and saying he can make one for each alliance.... Yeah really believable.
[/quote]
I know right. It feels good being King. Thanks for your support everyone.

o/ Confusion

[Clash]

Anyone who says there is complaining about the wars themselves isn't really paying attention. There's been very little of that. War is what TE is mostly for, regardless of the weasel ways we get there. Most everyone knows this and accepted it long ago, or not bothered to make a nation. I don't even think having fun with the wars is a question; by far most of us on both sides, I'm certain.

Perhaps complaints and criticisms are close in definitions, but contextual and other very specific differences still remain.

I heart you, Tibs, you know this.

[quote name='Tiberius12' date='05 June 2010 - 04:27 PM' timestamp='1275776844' post='2325135']
Hence this thread. The Roman Empire does not take orders from anyone but it's Emperor.
[/quote]
Y'all gave Confusion permission to post your DoW for you - or else you should have a problem with him doing so. He did the legwork for putting the "coalition" together. He organized it, he set the date for it to war, he named it, and apparently he speaks for it. He clearly leads it - and if one person is leading, the others are following. This thread and SMUGS came around wayyyyy after the facts. Yeah, I'm certain the commitment between alliances in this "coalition" varies across the boards. Let's just call it what it is though.

Anyone can say just about anything you want.
It's what you do that defines.

Nice of y'all to get around to posting these words though

[Confusion]

[quote name='Clash' date='06 June 2010 - 07:53 PM' timestamp='1275868413' post='2326956']
Anyone who says there is complaining about the wars themselves isn't really paying attention. There's been very little of that. War is what TE is mostly for, regardless of the weasel ways we get there. Most everyone knows this and accepted it long ago, or not bothered to make a nation. I don't even think having fun with the wars is a question; by far most of us on both sides, I'm certain.

Perhaps complaints and criticisms are close in definitions, but contextual and other very specific differences still remain.

I heart you, Tibs, you know this.


Y'all gave Confusion permission to post your DoW for you - or else you should have a problem with him doing so. He did the legwork for putting the "coalition" together. He organized it, he set the date for it to war, he named it, and apparently he speaks for it. [b]He clearly leads it - and if one person is leading, the others are following[/b]. This thread and SMUGS came around wayyyyy after the facts. Yeah, I'm certain the commitment between alliances in this "coalition" varies across the boards. Let's just call it what it is though.

Anyone can say just about anything you want.
It's what you do that defines.

Nice of y'all to get around to posting these words though
[/quote]
Okay let's clear something up. A Coalition is a Bloc that forms to fight a war. Correct me if I'm wrong. Just because I'm the Coalition "representative" doesn't mean I control the alliances in the Coalition. You see, all the alliance in this "Coalition" share a channel where we discuss our actions etc. Infact I do what the majority of them want, I can suggest something but that doesn't mean they'll do it. If you ask every alliance in the "Coalition" I'm sure they'll agree that they're doing exactly what they wanted to do, not what I told them. And the reason I'm the representative is because I have the most time etc. And I don't mind someone else being the rep. Now I put in bold something you said, for solely one reason, you can call me whatever you wish, the leader etc. I don't give 3 flying $%&@s tbh. This is like you saying you send 4 Diplomats over to MHA, and one says he is going to be the most active/keep communications up and me assuming he is leading everything over at Warriors and that he is in charge for everything that happens [i.e Sign treaty, DoW).

[Clash]

Ignoring every posted fact by trying to paste over them with rhetoric and inaccurately equated similes doesn't make them go away. I'm calling it as I see it based on those facts, not on the words of those who's honesty and integrity concerning those facts, and in general, is not always optimum. I'm gonna call it based on the context around it and on exactly what it looks like.

This thread was posted to combat very justified criticism. Nothing else.
Or it'd have been posted when the wars started instead of when the criticism started.

[Confusion]

[quote name='Clash' date='06 June 2010 - 08:17 PM' timestamp='1275869843' post='2326981']
Ignoring every posted fact by trying to paste over them with rhetoric and inaccurately equated similes doesn't make them go away. I'm calling it as I see it based on those facts, not on the words of those who's honesty and integrity concerning those facts, and in general, is not always optimum. I'm gonna call it based on the context around it and on exactly what it looks like.

This thread was posted to combat very justified criticism. Nothing else.
Or it'd have been posted when the wars started instead of when the criticism started.
[/quote]
O well, I give up on trying to state the truth, after all it's just the peanut gallery.

[Clash]

[quote name='Confusion' date='06 June 2010 - 06:24 PM' timestamp='1275870266' post='2326989']
O well, I give up on trying to state the truth, after all it's just the peanut gallery.
[/quote]
"Truth" can be such an interesting thing for some people.
It changes by the minute for them.

[Mikeyrox]

[quote]
Y'all gave Confusion permission to post your DoW for you - or else you should have a problem with him doing so. He did the legwork for putting the "coalition" together. He organized it, he set the date for it to war, he named it, and apparently he speaks for it. He clearly leads it - and if one person is leading, the others are following.
[/quote]

I don't see how us giving confusion permission to post our DOW means that we take orders from him. The fact that we would need to give "permission" for him to post it means that we are sovereign. If he was our ruler, he would not need to seek our permission to post our DOW. Maybe allowing him to post one big one was stupid, I would have liked to see us post our own, but whatever, people must have felt the joint one was more economical or something.

Also, correct me if I am wrong (I may have missed it), but I don't recall it being said in any of these threads that Confusion was the one who set the date for, and organized, this war. I do not know how the date for attack was chosen, but I assume it was reached by consensus from all concerned alliances, based on when they would be ready to fight and have targets lists made. Also, he may have brought together the alliances who were already planning a war (I say may here because I am not actually sure on how the list of target alliances was finally settled upon), but he was in no way responsible for them choosing to go to war. Rome was going to go to war anyway, as were some other alliances, so he apparently brought them together for some joint operations.

[quote] This thread and SMUGS came around wayyyyy after the facts. Yeah, I'm certain the commitment between alliances in this "coalition" varies across the boards. Let's just call it what it is though. [/quote]
This is true, and it is a pity, which is why I admit that it would have been better for each respective alliance to post its own DOW instead of one very late joint DOW. This we can agree on. It does not, however, mean that we are taking orders from him.

All and all, Confusion is [i]not[/i] leading this war. He may be helping coordinate between the alliances, but he is not in charge of anything other than MHA. Rome, and I assume the other alliances, are in charge of their own affairs, and have entered into this war, and will eventually leave it, on their own accord.

[Confusion]

[quote name='Mikeyrox' date='06 June 2010 - 09:31 PM' timestamp='1275874299' post='2327092']
I don't see how us giving confusion permission to post our DOW means that we take orders from him. The fact that we would need to give "permission" for him to post it means that we are sovereign. If he was our ruler, he would not need to seek our permission to post our DOW. Maybe allowing him to post one big one was stupid, I would have liked to see us post our own, but whatever, people must have felt the joint one was more economical or something.

Also, correct me if I am wrong (I may have missed it), but I don't recall it being said in any of these threads that Confusion was the one who set the date for, and organized, this war. I do not know how the date for attack was chosen, but I assume it was reached by consensus from all concerned alliances, based on when they would be ready to fight and have targets lists made. Also, he may have brought together the alliances who were already planning a war (I say may here because I am not actually sure on how the list of target alliances was finally settled upon), but he was in no way responsible for them choosing to go to war. Rome was going to go to war anyway, as were some other alliances, so he apparently brought them together for some joint operations.


This is true, and it is a pity, which is why I admit that it would have been better for each respective alliance to post its own DOW instead of one very late joint DOW. This we can agree on. It does not, however, mean that we are taking orders from him.

All and all, Confusion is [i]not[/i] leading this war. He may be helping coordinate between the alliances, but he is not in charge of anything other than MHA. Rome, and I assume the other alliances, are in charge of their own affairs, and have entered into this war, and will eventually leave it, on their own accord.
[/quote]
Well Said. Also Hey Mike.

[dogbite]

If it was marcus calling the shots RE would have hit TPC. Marcus dose not need a bigger ego. Stop feeding it. Take comfort in the fact that his so called Coalition will not win this one. Way to lead marcus.lol

[Confusion]

[quote name='dogbite' date='06 June 2010 - 10:07 PM' timestamp='1275876402' post='2327155']
If it was marcus calling the shots RE would have hit TPC. Marcus dose not need a bigger ego. Stop feeding it. Take comfort in the fact that his so called Coalition will not win this one. Way to lead marcus.lol
[/quote]
So you're saying "Your Side" will win? Please explain.

[Mikeyrox]

[quote name='dogbite' date='06 June 2010 - 10:07 PM' timestamp='1275876402' post='2327155']
If it was marcus calling the shots RE would have hit TPC. Marcus dose not need a bigger ego. Stop feeding it. Take comfort in the fact that his so called Coalition will not win this one. Way to lead marcus.lol
[/quote]

You know we would never hit TPC

[Clash]

[quote name='Mikeyrox' date='06 June 2010 - 07:31 PM' timestamp='1275874299' post='2327092']
Lots of stuff I've not quoted to save space[/quote]
By [url="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lead"]"lead"[/url] I don't mean "does everything."
I like being anal specific, so this. Most of the definitions fit pretty well.
1. to go before or with to show the way; conduct or escort: to lead a group on a cross-country hike.
2. to conduct by holding and guiding: to lead a horse by a rope.
4. to guide in direction, course, action, opinion, etc.; bring: You can lead her around to your point of view if you are persistent.
5. to conduct or bring (water, wire, etc.) in a particular course.
Blah blah more like that.

I miss the 1-1 wars in TE. Too many AAs don't have the guts to do it by themselves.
Y'all know who you are.