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If you can't take it, or keep it, by force - it's not really yours.

I find this announcement unfortunate, though I am confident that NATO will make the correct moves in this.

Good luck to both parties in getting this sorted out and smoothed over.

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Oh goodness gracious.

We had a reps schedule, we had been keeping to it, in the agreement we made with GOONS. The GOONS at no time told us to increase the cyclical amount more than what we were paying. We also had only one cycle left on this schedule. In fact, we just talked to them a couple days ago in which they asked us to adjust reps targets, which we did.

The GOONS set no timeframe on us, and openly admitted to us in reps talks that the only reason they were enforcing reps at all on us was to extort us. Anu Drake wanted to pay the reps all by himself, so we'd been letting him.

But, otherwise, yes, good show GOONS, I do approve of this. The ERA hem hawing on the OWF was getting tiresome, and Iron Curtain wasn't getting nearly enough drama as it should have been. OWF's been so damn slow lately.

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[quote name='Kzoppistan' date='16 May 2010 - 09:23 PM' timestamp='1274041385' post='2300203']
I find this announcement unfortunate, though I am confident that NATO will make the correct moves in this.[/quote]
Like you, I'm waiting to see what NATO has to say about this.

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[quote name='Sandwich Controversy' date='16 May 2010 - 03:24 PM' timestamp='1274041466' post='2300206']
you'll be paying them next
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Oh no I won't. I [b]guarantee[/b] that.

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[quote name='AtheistRepublican' date='16 May 2010 - 04:25 PM' timestamp='1274041533' post='2300209']
The GOONS at no time told us to increase the cyclical amount more than what we were paying. Anu Drake wanted to pay the reps all by himself, so we'd been letting him.
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For one thing, our copilot contacted you guys about the slow reps payments, and was only insulted. In that chat NATO even pointed out that there was no timetable. It's also good to know that you've been taking advantage of the unlimited time allotted by having ONE NATION SEND OUT REPS.

Such efficiency.

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[quote name='Biazt' date='16 May 2010 - 01:31 PM' timestamp='1274041897' post='2300226']
For one thing, our copilot contacted you guys about the slow reps payments, and was only insulted. In that chat NATO even pointed out that there was no timetable. It's also good to know that you've been taking advantage of the unlimited time allotted by having ONE NATION SEND OUT REPS.

Such efficiency.
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When fw contacted us, we set the schedule. If you guys wanted more per cycle, all you had to do was ask. But you waited until we had one cycle left, so that you could do this drama on the OWF. But that's a GOONS move, so I'm not exactly upset over that, it's what I'm used to [ooc]in the years and years I've interacted with GOONS across many games[/ooc] and I don't mean that in a negative way. ;)

I love talking to fw. He needs to query me more. I don't have nearly enough people to BS with and he scurried out of our channel after posting the announcement. :(

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[quote name='AtheistRepublican' date='16 May 2010 - 03:25 PM' timestamp='1274041533' post='2300209']
Oh goodness gracious.

We had a reps schedule, we had been keeping to it, in the agreement we made with GOONS. The GOONS at no time told us to increase the cyclical amount more than what we were paying. We also had only one cycle left on this schedule. In fact, we just talked to them a couple days ago in which they asked us to adjust reps targets, which we did.

The GOONS set no timeframe on us, and openly admitted to us in reps talks that the only reason they were enforcing reps at all on us was to extort us. Anu Drake wanted to pay the reps all by himself, so we'd been letting him.

But, otherwise, yes, good show GOONS, I do approve of this. The ERA hem hawing on the OWF was getting tiresome, and Iron Curtain wasn't getting nearly enough trolling as it should have been. OWF's been so damn slow lately.
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Well, I guess you can't expect anything but distortions from the same people who think it's okay to [ooc]real life harass players like Methrage.[/ooc]

Good luck parrying GOONS' slander, NATO.

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[quote name='AtheistRepublican' date='16 May 2010 - 04:34 PM' timestamp='1274042060' post='2300232']
When fw contacted us, we set the schedule. If you guys wanted more per cycle, all you had to do was ask.
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Reps were coming in, albeit slowly, when we first contacted you. We contacted you specifically BECAUSE reps were coming in so slowly. Apparently you slowed it down even more after we told you to speed it up. You even told us there was no time limit, and that we shouldn't be asking for reps to come in any quicker. Why should we have even contacted you again after that kind of reception? By the time we realized reps were coming in so pathetically slowly after contacting you it was already so far past when the war ended we decided we had enough of NATO screwing around with us.

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[quote name='AtheistRepublican' date='16 May 2010 - 03:25 PM' timestamp='1274041533' post='2300209']
Anu Drake wanted to pay the reps all by himself, so we'd been letting him.
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Wait, seriously. You let someone try to pay all the debt off just because they wanted to go beyond what they had to?

You're a real pal.

[quote name='Canik' date='16 May 2010 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1274041811' post='2300223']
Oh no I won't. I [b]guarantee[/b] that.
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I just [i]had[/i] to laugh at this.

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[quote name='Jonathan Brookbank' date='16 May 2010 - 01:01 PM' timestamp='1274040049' post='2300154']
Because NATO is a failure, you decide to force harsher reps on future war combatants? This policy makes next to no sense. You should force NATO to pay, either through further war or imposing deadlines on them.
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Indeed, this move does not make much sense. If NATO really did take advantage of you, why are you placing their burden onto the losers of the next war in which you win? Why not make NATO pay faster?

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[quote name='Rey the Great' date='16 May 2010 - 01:51 PM' timestamp='1274043047' post='2300259']
Wait, seriously. You let someone try to pay all the debt off just because they wanted to go beyond what they had to?

You're a real pal.
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You obviously have not had the pleasure of talking Anu Drake out of something when he [i]really[/i] wants to do it.

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So GOONS wanted to change the agreed-upon terms despite no violations from NATO. Bad Show GOONS. With just [b]one[/b] cycle left for NATO to pay, this is just a clear PR attempt to malign NATO.

NATO, you should just send away the cycle anyway as a compliment to stop all the whining over nothing, maybe add in 1 or 2 tech for the lulz provided in the OP whine.

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[quote name='Biazt' date='16 May 2010 - 01:48 PM' timestamp='1274042863' post='2300253']
Reps were coming in, albeit slowly, when we first contacted you. We contacted you specifically BECAUSE reps were coming in so slowly. Apparently you slowed it down even more after we told you to speed it up. You even told us there was no time limit, and that we shouldn't be asking for reps to come in any quicker. Why should we have even contacted you again after that kind of reception? By the time we realized reps were coming in so pathetically slowly after contacting you it was already so far past when the war ended we decided we had enough of NATO screwing around with us.
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Before you came to us, we had no schedule. We were sending money around internally, because yes, we had no timetable, and that perhaps was our fault for not thinking things through. You came to us, we set a schedule. We were keeping that schedule; in fact the last cycle was yesterday. We had one cycle left. If you had wanted that sooner, all you had to do was ask.

But you did not. The last communication we had with you, you asked us to change reps targets. You did not indicate any displeasure or make any other requests. Which leads me to believe you were waiting until there was one cycle left either way.

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[quote name='King Puffington' date='16 May 2010 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1274042828' post='2300252']
Bad show, NATO. You ought to be very grateful to GOONS.
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[color="#0000FF"]Yes NATO, you should be very grateful that GOONS only extorted so much money from you.

Anyway, I'm noticing a pattern. A night or two ago we had GOD, GOONS, and RIA harassing UPN because one of their members was helping the new Facepunch alliance organize. They were unhappy they didn't get a new tech farm and ally so they decided to make an incident out of in the hopes of generating a CB.

Now we have GOONS and their backers making an incident over nothing. Again. How shocking! NATO had one cycle left to go before reps were paid. GOONS instead cancels the reps in order to make NATO bad despite them having done nothing. Seems to me they want an excuse to hit NATO or FEAR, two alliances which they have openly threatened in the past.

You people can deny this all you want saying you don't have a history of beat downs, but you had TOP as a counter to you. You couldn't make such moves without having to worry about repercussions. Now TOP is beaten and you can do whatever you want with no consequences. This is why we now have you harassing these beaten alliances for no reason. It feels good doesn't it? Being able to do whatever you want. Why soon enough maybe we will see a beat down. Wouldn't that be lovely. Then you finally will be guilty of what the NPO did during its time on top.

This is what power does. It allows thuggery like this to take place. If any of you are disgusted by what you see taking place here, hope for a countering power to the currently uncontested security network. And for those decent people still remaining, if you are not yet disgusted by what you see and in denial over what is going on, I tell you that sooner or later you will have to wake up to the truth. Karma changed nothing except for faces and names.[/color]

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[quote name='Rebel Virginia' date='16 May 2010 - 05:02 PM' timestamp='1274043721' post='2300281']
[color="#0000FF"]Yes NATO, you should be very grateful that GOONS only extorted so much money from you.

Anyway, I'm noticing a pattern. A night or two ago we had GOD, GOONS, and RIA harassing UPN because one of their members was helping the new Facepunch alliance organize. They were unhappy they didn't get a new tech farm and ally so they decided to make an incident out of in the hopes of generating a CB.

Now we have GOONS and their backers making an incident over nothing. Again. How shocking! NATO had one cycle left to go before reps were paid. GOONS instead cancels the reps in order to make NATO bad despite them having done nothing. Seems to me they want an excuse to hit NATO or FEAR, two alliances which they have openly threatened in the past.

You people can deny this all you want saying you don't have a history of beat downs, but you had TOP as a counter to you. You couldn't make such moves without having to worry about repercussions. Now TOP is beaten and you can do whatever you want with no consequences. This is why we now have you harassing these beaten alliances for no reason. It feels good doesn't it? Being able to do whatever you want. Why soon enough maybe we will see a beat down. Wouldn't that be lovely. Then you finally will be guilty of what the NPO did during its time on top.

This is what power does. It allows thuggery like this to take place. If any of you are disgusted by what you see taking place here, hope for a countering power to the currently uncontested security network. And for those decent people still remaining, if you are not yet disgusted by what you see and in denial over what is going on, I tell you that sooner or later you will have to wake up to the truth. Karma changed nothing except for faces and names.[/color]
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See whatever patterns you want. The fact of the matter is NATO was intentionally dragging their heels and paying reps extremely slowly (one nation!), even after we told them to speed it up.

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[quote name='AtheistRepublican' date='16 May 2010 - 05:01 PM' timestamp='1274043659' post='2300279']
Before you came to us, we had no schedule. We were sending money around internally, because yes, we had no timetable, and that perhaps was our fault for not thinking things through. You came to us, we set a schedule. We were keeping that schedule; in fact the last cycle was yesterday. We had one cycle left. If you had wanted that sooner, all you had to do was ask.

But you did not. The last communication we had with you, you asked us to change reps targets. You did not indicate any displeasure or make any other requests. Which leads me to believe you were waiting until there was one cycle left either way.
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We were never told about what these "cycles" were, how much aid was sent in a cycle, whether there were cycles before we contacted you or anything like that. We saw reps were coming in slowly, told you to speed it up, you told us to screw ourselves, did not speed up reps, and now this thread is posted.

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[quote name='Biazt' date='16 May 2010 - 02:05 PM' timestamp='1274043941' post='2300284']
See whatever patterns you want. The fact of the matter is NATO was intentionally dragging their heels and paying reps extremely slowly (one nation!), even after we told them to speed it up.
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Again, when you told us to "speed it up" was when we set the schedule with you. If you wanted more [i]all you had to do was ask[/i].

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Okay, then that is an internal issue with you guys, then. Because we set the schedule with your copilot. If your copilot did not communicate that back to you, then that's not our problem, is it?

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[quote name='AtheistRepublican' date='16 May 2010 - 05:08 PM' timestamp='1274044111' post='2300290']
Again, when you told us to "speed it up" was when we set the schedule with you. If you wanted more [i]all you had to do was ask[/i].
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We told you to speed it up, and [i]you didn't[/i]

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