Derwood1 Posted March 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [quote name='Bob Janova' date='12 March 2010 - 09:14 AM' timestamp='1268403583' post='2223345'] Good to see you are paying reps in the end, though one must suspect that you only raided them in the first place at the time that you did because you knew Echelon wouldn't be able to do anything about it. And let this be another indication that raiding alliances is a bad idea ... you'd think that people would have learnt by now. [/quote] Jeez Bob so you can't take at face value what I said in line #1? I can assure you Twisted and I were/are contend for a bit of re-building, drama free, for at least a week since the last war we were in.....jeez. As far as the bad idea part, I guess we can agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Well perhaps ... but I still think that was a motive for the individuals who raided. We can agree to disagree, but you're wrong ... raiding alliances has, in the last 6 months, led to large reparations and political problems for Athens, to a major global war and now to significant reparations for you, which will (if they are at all close to rebuilding SBA as the OP suggests) dwarf the value of what you stole. And that's not to mention the California incident during Karma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Bob Janova' date='12 March 2010 - 09:46 AM' timestamp='1268405480' post='2223360'] Well perhaps ... but I still think that was a motive for the individuals who raided. We can agree to disagree, but you're wrong ... raiding alliances has, in the last 6 months, led to large reparations and political problems for Athens, to a major global war and now to significant reparations for you, which will (if they are at all close to rebuilding SBA as the OP suggests) dwarf the value of what you stole. And that's not to mention the California incident during Karma. [/quote] There are many alliances that raid that you never hear about because they do their research before raiding, stick to their rules and then admit when they made a mistake before it ever gets out. Not all raiding alliances are stupid and abrasive. At least PC here has admitted to their mistake and are working to rectify it....though in my opinion it never should have gotten this far in the first place. It shouldn't take 10 days of negotiating to settle a tech raid incident. Someone get Bob Sanders in here to teach people how to handle incidents like this! Edited March 12, 2010 by AirMe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgrum Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [quote name='Derwood1' date='12 March 2010 - 03:22 AM' timestamp='1268364483' post='2222858'] 1. We have never really had to deal with Caffine1 much in the past. We are, however, aware that he is not supposed to be Gov in Echelon per terms from Karma War; we now understand why. Poison Clan will no longer take queries, talk to or in other way interact with Caffine1. [/quote] Its always nice when, out of a bad situation you can obtain knowledge and expirence that produces a positive outcome like this. How the above quoted concept and application is not engrained into every government on our planet is a mystery I, and I know several others of the peanut gallery still find puzzling. Good luck to all parties and good show cleaning up the mess PC, hope you come out better for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [quote name='AirMe' date='12 March 2010 - 12:04 PM' timestamp='1268406616' post='2223365'] There are many alliances that raid that you never hear about because they do their research before raiding, stick to their rules and then admit when they made a mistake before it ever gets out. Not all raiding alliances are stupid and abrasive. At least PC here has admitted to their mistake and are working to rectify it....though in my opinion it never should have gotten this far in the first place. It shouldn't take 10 days of negotiating to settle a tech raid incident. Someone get Bob Sanders in here to teach people how to handle incidents like this! [/quote] I think he wasn't talking about normal raids but that raid established alliances wasn't very profitable for raiders in the last 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando12 Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [quote name='Jacques Cousteau' date='12 March 2010 - 07:57 AM' timestamp='1268402539' post='2223338'] Hello there, next in the long line of unbelievably mediocre micro-alliance leaders. Nice to meet you. [/quote] This from an alliance that just screwed up 2 raids/wars in a row. The only thing mediocre and micro is your respect for sovereign alliances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 How nice to see. o/PC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otherworld Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [quote]The only thing mediocre and micro is your respect for sovereign alliances. [/quote] Awww, and I was hoping for a penis joke to be placed there. I have to say though that the amount of !@#$%*ing in this thread is extremely high for the OWF... which is saying a lot. People need to get over grudges on this game, when somebody is !@#$%*ing at somebody just because they were a regular member in an alliance 2 years ago, you just know things have been taken too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 (edited) The only thing I disagree with is the whole "your alliance should update your wiki." A wiki isn't necessary and some people refuse to have their wikis stating elaborative, or even brief, details. Other than this, there are two things: 1. Good to hear SBA will be getting reps. 2. I see what you did thar. [quote name='Otherworld' date='12 March 2010 - 10:29 AM' timestamp='1268408093' post='2223379'] Awww, and I was hoping for a penis joke to be placed there. [/quote] Lol'd Edited March 12, 2010 by Ejayrazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derwood1 Posted March 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Bob Janova' date='12 March 2010 - 09:46 AM' timestamp='1268405480' post='2223360'] Well perhaps ... but I still think that was a motive for the individuals who raided. We can agree to disagree, but you're wrong ... raiding alliances has, in the last 6 months, led to large reparations and political problems for Athens, to a major global war and now to significant reparations for you, which will (if they are at all close to rebuilding SBA as the OP suggests) dwarf the value of what you stole. And that's not to mention the California incident during Karma. [/quote] Imagine Bob without raiders wouldn't it be boring? I mean even more boring then it already is for the average nation? Edited March 12, 2010 by Derwood1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [quote]I think he wasn't talking about normal raids but that raid established alliances wasn't very profitable for raiders in the last 6 months.[/quote] This is correct. I don't like raiding of unaligned either, primarily for a different reason (it's institutionalised theft), but I know making that point in every thread doesn't really get anywhere, most people don't believe in morals. But raiding an alliance has been shown to be amorally a poor decision as well recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GulagArchipelago Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Good show guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [quote name='Bob Janova' date='12 March 2010 - 10:40 AM' timestamp='1268408750' post='2223387'] This is correct. I don't like raiding of unaligned either, primarily for a different reason (it's institutionalised theft), but I know making that point in every thread doesn't really get anywhere, most people don't believe in morals. But raiding an alliance has been shown to be amorally a poor decision as well recently. [/quote] My apologies then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime minister Johns Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [quote name='Derwood1' date='13 March 2010 - 01:40 AM' timestamp='1268408746' post='2223386'] Imagine Bob without raiders wouldn't it be boring? I mean even more boring then it already is for the average nation? [/quote] If you are bored there is plenty to do besides raiding. You can try diplomacy and meet loads of interesting people. You can recruit for your alliance. You could collect statistics and gatherer intelligence from analysing them. Or do behavioural research on the various players of this world. Or perhaps you could make and sell art to fund your national growth Or start a newspaper and report on world events Or become a political pundit and perhaps work your way into alliance leadership And there is always mentoring newer members of your alliance in the finer points of running there nations for optimal growth. If you think there is only raiding to do then you are missing out on all the other things that make planet Bob so interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcturus Jefferson Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 (edited) Or if you're really into raiding, why don't all the raiding alliances get together and agree to raid each other? After all, it's only because you're bored... Edited March 12, 2010 by Arcturus Jefferson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voytek Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Prime minister Johns' date='13 March 2010 - 03:04 AM' timestamp='1268410163' post='2223404'] If you are bored there is plenty to do besides raiding. You can try diplomacy and meet loads of interesting people. You can recruit for your alliance. You could collect statistics and gatherer intelligence from analysing them. Or do behavioural research on the various players of this world. Or perhaps you could make and sell art to fund your national growth Or start a newspaper and report on world events Or become a political pundit and perhaps work your way into alliance leadership And there is always mentoring newer members of your alliance in the finer points of running there nations for optimal growth. If you think there is only raiding to do then you are missing out on all the other things that make planet Bob so interesting. [/quote] Wait, I'm confused. You're saying that different people find different things fun????? Edited March 12, 2010 by Voytek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cormalek Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Yes, if only there was a parallel universe of sorts, where you could wage war endlessly without consequences, and where you'd know everyone wants to fight as well... The nations could be burned down, but then they would all be reborn again, so their rulers would loose only 4 weeks or so of building their nation... Maybe Gods would grant the strongest nation from each reborn-cycle a gift or favor to ask... If only such a world would exist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jgoods45 Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [quote name='Arcturus Jefferson' date='12 March 2010 - 09:14 AM' timestamp='1268410771' post='2223409'] Or if you're really into raiding, why don't all the raiding alliances get together and agree to raid each other? After all, it's only because you're bored... [/quote] But then where would all the new drama start from then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegendoftheSkies Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [quote name='Prime minister Johns' date='12 March 2010 - 11:04 AM' timestamp='1268410163' post='2223404'] If you are bored there is plenty to do besides raiding. You can try diplomacy and meet loads of interesting people. You can recruit for your alliance. You could collect statistics and gatherer intelligence from analysing them. Or do behavioural research on the various players of this world. Or perhaps you could make and sell art to fund your national growth Or start a newspaper and report on world events Or become a political pundit and perhaps work your way into alliance leadership And there is always mentoring newer members of your alliance in the finer points of running there nations for optimal growth. If you think there is only raiding to do then you are missing out on all the other things that make planet Bob so interesting. [/quote] I doubt PC or anyone thinks raiding is the only thing to do. It's just what they find fun. Some alliances like war, PC happens to be one of them. Trying to convince them that war is bad is as futile as them trying to convince you that war isn't actually all that terrible. And as someone who's gotten to know them recently, they do actually do other things (surprising isn't it?). "You can try diplomacy" is pretty funny to me because we've actually found our diplomatic interaction with PC to be pretty pleasant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Anglia Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Glad to hear the cooler heads in PC prevailed and you are doing the right thing by paying them their reps. For the record in my conversation I never once asked any reps be payed to us, only SBA. So long as SBA is happy with the end outcome I'll throw you a hail o/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 [quote name='LegendoftheSkies' date='12 March 2010 - 11:42 AM' timestamp='1268412468' post='2223421'] "You can try diplomacy" is pretty funny to me because we've actually found our diplomatic interaction with PC to be pretty pleasant. [/quote] And I can agree with that from experience. Diplomacy is always the first option PC tries... they just need someone willing to reciprocate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batallion Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 This was beautiful, well done brothers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Jgoods45' date='12 March 2010 - 11:37 AM' timestamp='1268412142' post='2223419'] But then where would all the new drama start from then? [/quote] NPO is back on the rise, that will be full of epic lulz from some. We all know it's coming. Edited March 12, 2010 by Ejayrazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warrior Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Good show. Best of luck sorting this all out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratonbox Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Nicely done PC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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