Concerning the War of Aggression against C&G

[joracy]

[quote name='Hayzell' date='15 February 2010 - 10:23 PM' timestamp='1266290621' post='2184188']
I'll just point out that it is not in Archon's or CnG's interests to portray an objective description of events, lest they not be able to persuade more alliances to peace out so they may better destroy 'TIFDTT'. All his post really reads to me is the various talking points I've heard everywhere, compiled into one verbose speech in which he makes sure to depict us as Hegemoinc cronies picking on innocent do-gooders.

This war does not have to be won to be ended, in my opinion. I think both sides have sustained enough damage that they would be willing to see things end if a reasonable solution were proposed; but pursuing this war until one side is destroyed will have near as bad consequences for the other side.
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Our idea of a reasonable solution is not getting attacked, and then granting you white peace right after.

[Stormsend]

[quote name='Mr Damsky' date='15 February 2010 - 09:27 PM' timestamp='1266290832' post='2184207']
We'll see. CnG isn't invincible.
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You can't destroy an idea. Only suppress it. And good luck with that to those who would try.

[SpacingOutMan]

Nicely written Archon.

[Lord Levistus]

[quote name='AirMe' date='15 February 2010 - 10:27 PM' timestamp='1266290869' post='2184208']
Go read your original DoW. That is what made you sound like Hegemonic Cronies.
[/quote]

I thought you were done posting here, Airme?

Or was the allure of Archon's words too much for you to resist?

[delendum]

[quote name='Stonewall Jaxon' date='16 February 2010 - 03:25 AM' timestamp='1266290749' post='2184201']
You can't really win this one, logically. Either TOP was right to assume CnG would rush to assist its allies, making their attack a legitimate preemptive defensive effort, or TOP was wrong to assume CnG would assist its allies, in which case you are dishonorable. So, which one is it?

@OP: I agree that the TOP offer of white peace is rather silly. Everyone knows we can't have a [s]Hegemonic curbstomp[/s] brave Karma crusade without Draconian terms, right?

EDITS: It's almost Fat Tuesday; errors will happen
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That would all be fine and well, if only TOP hadn't specifically mentioned that they attacked us mostly because they saw us as a threat.

[TehChron]

[quote name='AirMe' date='16 February 2010 - 03:25 AM' timestamp='1266290730' post='2184199']
No one is afraid you nitwit. Get it through your skull. As stated in my blog post, C&G is a brotherhood that was forged under the threat of disbandment yet they are still there. They will continue to be there and the allies that have signed on with said alliances will continue to be there to support them.

Oh well, at least we don't have you running around claiming you predicted the future in this conflict.

Very good speech Archon. You definitely have a way with words that many in this game fail to grasp.
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I see that you are a liar, AirMe.

[quote]You will no longer see me posting in public. Good luck, have fun. [/quote]

Does that make this your comeback tour, or something?

Now, regarding predicting the future, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one here with that capacity.

[AnCapistan]

[quote name='Mundokiir' date='15 February 2010 - 07:28 PM' timestamp='1266290892' post='2184211']
You can't destroy an idea. Only suppress it. And good luck with that to those who would try.
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Except CnG isn't an idea. It's a thing. It exists, which means it can die.

[quote name='Lord Levistus' date='15 February 2010 - 07:28 PM' timestamp='1266290938' post='2184215']
I thought you were done posting here, Airme?
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Way to disprove what he just said. Bravo.

Edited February 16, 2010 by Mr Damsky

[AirMe]

[quote name='Mr Damsky' date='15 February 2010 - 10:27 PM' timestamp='1266290832' post='2184207']
We'll see. CnG isn't invincible.
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No one is invincible. Anyone who thinks they are only need to look as far as the NPO to prove that NO ONE is invincible. Nice try to twist my words into something that they weren't. What I really was trying to say is; their bond is damn near unbreakable.

[Bob]

[quote name='Stonewall Jaxon' date='15 February 2010 - 10:25 PM' timestamp='1266290749' post='2184201']
You can't really win this one, logically. Either TOP was right to assume CnG would rush to assist its allies, making their attack a legitimate preemptive defensive effort, or TOP was wrong to assume CnG would assist its allies, in which case you are dishonorable. So, which one is it?

@OP: I agree that the TOP offer of white peace is rather silly. Everyone knows we can't have a [s]Hegemonic curbstomp[/s] brave Karma crusade without Draconian terms, right?

EDITS: It's almost Fat Tuesday; errors will happen
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Except for the fact that this has nothing to do with this, and they took advantage of our allies being involved to attack us. Other then that, sure you can have fun arguing your point.

[quote name='Mr Damsky' date='15 February 2010 - 10:27 PM' timestamp='1266290832' post='2184207']
We'll see. CnG isn't invincible.
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I have to ask, are you stating that CnG will be forced to disband or that it will be destroyed via war, but still exist?

[AirMe]

[quote name='Chron' date='15 February 2010 - 10:29 PM' timestamp='1266290962' post='2184220']
I see that you are a liar, AirMe.



Does that make this your comeback tour, or something?

Now, regarding predicting the future, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one here with that capacity.
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I was coerced into coming back by numerous members of the community, on all 3 sides.

[quote name='Lord Levistus' date='15 February 2010 - 10:28 PM' timestamp='1266290938' post='2184215']
I thought you were done posting here, Airme?

Or was the allure of Archon's words too much for you to resist?
[/quote]

See above quote. Also after reading some of the forums it was obvious that my intelligence was needed to help cut through the wall of stupid that you and your allies have been putting up recently.

I am also a sucker for Archon's golden tongue.

Edited February 16, 2010 by AirMe

[Archon]

[quote name='SpoiL' date='15 February 2010 - 10:14 PM' timestamp='1266290046' post='2184148']
You tout the word paranoia as if it wasn't legitimate, actual, real future circumstances of CnG joining the war. You can spin the technical aspect of it being an aggressive action, but the [i]aggressive[/i] action was a defensively preemptive move. The real paranoia here is continuing the war that should have and [i]did[/i] 'end' because the opposing alliance doesn't like you and might 'be a threat' to you.
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C&G would have joined the war had TIFDTT attacked one of our allies. If they were planning on doing that, then feared C&G enough to aggressively attack us instead, that's not defensively preemptive. That's changing aggressive targets.


[quote name='the lizard queen' date='15 February 2010 - 10:16 PM' timestamp='1266290183' post='2184159']
I like how he termed it a "war of aggression" even though they were planning do the exact same damn thing to TOP and company.
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I was unaware you had access to C&G top gov discussion, speaking like you do as though you know something.

[quote name='Feanor Noldorin' date='15 February 2010 - 10:17 PM' timestamp='1266290259' post='2184163']
Pretty much, this.

His side will hail him like they always do. The rest of us will just roll our eyes. Personally, I wish he'd take his own advice and just shut up and fight.
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Ouch, Feanor. I see your side is back to the character assassination I saw in WWE. You do realize the only reason I posted this is because alliance leaders on your side, including your own alliance, were incessantly bugging me about my reply to the talks and some had gone as far as to insinuate I was stalling?

So again, I return you to my piece of advice, and recommend you pass it along to your government and allied governments.

[delendum]

[quote name='Mr Damsky' date='16 February 2010 - 03:29 AM' timestamp='1266290965' post='2184221']
Except CnG isn't an idea. It's a thing. It exists, which means it can die.



Way to disprove what he just said. Bravo.
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Everything dies eventually, it's just some things live longer than others.

[Banksy]

[quote name='Haflinger' date='16 February 2010 - 03:25 PM' timestamp='1266290740' post='2184200']
Their hand wouldn't have come close to touching yours if MK had only supported their allies in Polaris at the start of this war.

You know, like we did, even though we were only allied to UPN.
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lol?

You have a MDAP with UPN, do you not? MK has a MDAP with Athens and FoB. Polaris attacked \m/ etc.

:deadhorse:

[Stormsend]

[quote name='Mr Damsky' date='15 February 2010 - 09:29 PM' timestamp='1266290965' post='2184221']
Except CnG isn't an idea. It's a thing. It exists, which means it can die.
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A thing formed around an idea. You can destroy the alliances within and you can force it to disband as a bloc, but there will be those of us who will continue to fight under that banner regardless of whether it is an official bloc.

[Bob]

[quote name='Kueller' date='15 February 2010 - 10:27 PM' timestamp='1266290876' post='2184209']
/m\ wouldn't have acquiesced to Polar's terms when it did if it were not for TOP/IRON's entrance. Archon admitted as much in saying efforts were stepped up to resolve that conflict upon hearing the news (that top/iron would enter). Had TOP/IRON not entered CnG themselves would've entered shortly thereafter, and then TOP/IRON would've had to enter defensively. Exactly the situation they were trying to preempt...
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Who would CnG have entered on? Polaris didn't request our help, and FOK was covered by Stickmen. I don't see who CnG would have entered on, unless someone attacked one of our allies. Again, its kinda unimportant. Read the DoW by Crymson

[Stumpy Jung Il]

[quote name='Heft' date='15 February 2010 - 10:25 PM' timestamp='1266290756' post='2184202']
See this is why I don't understand why people have a positive opinion of your posts. This one is so utterly confusing and its literal meaning is so at odds with what you surely meant that, like, what?
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Im not even gonna start at this but Im going to laugh none the less. Thank you.

Also CnG wont be going anywhere, you can count on that guys.

Edited February 16, 2010 by Stumpy Jung Il

[TehChron]

[quote name='AirMe' date='16 February 2010 - 03:29 AM' timestamp='1266290972' post='2184222']
No one is invincible. Anyone who thinks they are only need to look as far as the NPO to prove that NO ONE is invincible. Nice try to twist my words into something that they weren't. What I really was trying to say is; their bond is damn near unbreakable.
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To be fair, AirMe, they may still drag each other beneath the waves soon enough. And I consider the New Pacific Order of 2006-2007 to be a separate entity from the NPO onwards, so by my mental gymnastics, some people [i]are[/i] invincible.

[Tequila Mockingbird]

Propaganda everywhere, who/what should I believe, which information should I use to formulate my own opinion?!?! Oh god it's just to much.




o/ Archon

[AnCapistan]

[quote name='Penlugue Solaris' date='15 February 2010 - 07:29 PM' timestamp='1266290995' post='2184224']
I have to ask, are you stating that CnG will be forced to disband or that it will be destroyed via war, but still exist?
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Uhh, no?

[Bob]

[quote name='Chron' date='15 February 2010 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1266291169' post='2184237']
To be fair, AirMe, they may still drag each other beneath the waves soon enough. And I consider the New Pacific Order of 2006-2007 to be a separate entity from the NPO onwards, so by my mental gymnastics, some people [i]are[/i] invincible.
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Great War One. Drawing (at best) is not being invincible.

I don't disagree that they dominated it, but simply that they were not invincible.

[quote name='Mr Damsky' date='15 February 2010 - 10:34 PM' timestamp='1266291261' post='2184244']
Uhh, no?
[/quote]

Thought that you had quoted something different, posts blending together etc

Edited February 16, 2010 by Penlugue Solaris

[TehChron]

[quote name='AirMe' date='16 February 2010 - 03:30 AM' timestamp='1266291019' post='2184227']



See above quote. Also after reading some of the forums it was obvious that my intelligence was needed to help cut through the wall of stupid that you and your allies have been putting up recently.

I am also a sucker for Archon's golden tongue.
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Two things: 1) I am sorry, Ive tried the best I could.

2) You should preface that with "no homo" in case you don't want anyone to get the (correct) idea.

[quote name='Penlugue Solaris' date='16 February 2010 - 03:34 AM' timestamp='1266291268' post='2184245']
Great War One. Drawing (at best) is not being invincible.

I don't disagree that they dominated it, but simply that they were not invincible.
[/quote] I am sorry can't hear you lalalalalalalalalalala

Edited February 16, 2010 by Chron

[King MyLife]

Well said brah!!!!!!!

[Schattenmann]

[quote name='Mundokiir' date='15 February 2010 - 10:13 PM' timestamp='1266290008' post='2184146']
We just made up the quote of Crymson saying we were a threat and that they wanted to bloody us up.
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I knew it!

[quote name='Penlugue Solaris' date='15 February 2010 - 10:15 PM' timestamp='1266290120' post='2184154']
If TOP and NSO have some form of future predicting device, then I for one would be greatly interested in buying it off of you.
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Crymson stol Jack Diorno's time bike.

[quote name='Hayzell' date='15 February 2010 - 10:23 PM' timestamp='1266290621' post='2184188']
I'll just point out that it is not in Archon's or CnG's interests to portray an objective description of events, lest they not be able to persuade more alliances to peace out so they may better destroy 'TIFDTT'. All his post really reads to me is the various talking points I've heard everywhere, compiled into one verbose speech in which he makes sure to depict us as Hegemoinc cronies picking on innocent do-gooders.

This war does not have to be won to be ended, in my opinion. I think both sides have sustained enough damage that they would be willing to see things end if a reasonable solution were proposed; but pursuing this war until one side is destroyed will have near as bad consequences for the other side.
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You were Hegemonic Cronies. As a member of TOP, I got read the riot act from a prominant and recurring gov member for simply saying "maybe we should formulate a foreign policy based on our own interests instead of NPO's."

[AirMe]

[quote name='Chron' date='15 February 2010 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1266291169' post='2184237']
To be fair, AirMe, they may still drag each other beneath the waves soon enough. And I consider the New Pacific Order of 2006-2007 to be a separate entity from the NPO onwards, so by my mental gymnastics, some people [i]are[/i] invincible.
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This is the most honest post in the history of the world.

[Haflinger]

[quote name='Penlugue Solaris' date='15 February 2010 - 10:27 PM' timestamp='1266290824' post='2184206']
So basically, we are correct, and you are now deflecting back to something else?

Also, did you have any MADP partners who were wanted to enter on the other side, in support of their allies there? I do not think so.
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We only have one MADP partner

Forgive me for having a less complicated treaty web.