Caliph Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Chalaskan' date='06 February 2010 - 02:53 AM' timestamp='1265453629' post='2164211'] I don't believe TOP has asked for peace...I was referencing him stating when we did he will be jolly to stick it to us. Do try again. [/quote] Really? The impression I got was that TOP/IRON/ the rest of you lot were wanting to white peace out of this war. Perhaps it was just some members of those alliances, and not official position, but I was arguing against the position that it would be in the best interest of C&G to deliver a white peace this early in this conflict. If that is a position that TOP and friends also shares, my apologies for stating otherwise. You know how the rumour mill flows [quote name='Angrator' date='06 February 2010 - 02:56 AM' timestamp='1265453790' post='2164214'] He wasn't asking. When we come to beg, we'll let you know. [/quote] You hold me in such esteem that you would come to me, before any of the alliances you are in war with, to state you are begging for surrender terms? While I am flattered, I must say I am confused as I am not at war with the NSO at this time. Edited February 6, 2010 by Caliph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodvar Jarl Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Oh, we'll accept white peace if offered alright. Asking for it? No. A desire to get out of this war? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalaskan Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Caliph' date='06 February 2010 - 01:56 AM' timestamp='1265453815' post='2164215'] Really? The impression I got was that TOP/IRON/ the rest of you lot were wanting to white peace out of this war. Perhaps it was just some members of those alliances, and not official position, but I was arguing against the position that it would be in the best interest of C&G to deliver a white peace this early in this conflict. If that is a position that TOP and friends also shares, my apologies for stating otherwise. You know how the rumour mill flows [/quote] Apology accepted. Regardless, for an outweighed opponent to be doing as much or more damage as has been done, maybe it would be advantageous to you to declare it. Again, I am simply an applicant, so don't twist my words for those of TOP. Edited February 6, 2010 by Chalaskan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yggdrazil Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 [quote name='tamerlane' date='06 February 2010 - 04:12 AM' timestamp='1265451161' post='2164166'] If you ever care to check your treaty list or ask the people themselves, we were involved in trying to mediate the cluster$%&@ that was that mess to a resolution that benefited all our allies.[/quote] Your treaty said nothing about mediation,half the alliance that are declaring or using the MD of their treaties.They aren't using mediation they are going in regardless of treaty partners.STA is not declared against those fighting NpO they declared in defense of your side of the fight.They are ignoring a treaty partner and fighting for another.I have heard no condemnation for this action from your side of the fight.Thus NpO could have ignored their commitment to MK by this acceptance of STA's actions.Permissible if it benefits MK condemned if its doesn't.I expect sophist of MK caliber to fail to understand this nuance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 [quote name='Chalaskan' date='06 February 2010 - 03:06 AM' timestamp='1265454362' post='2164225'] Apology accepted. Regardless, for an outweighed opponent to be doing as much or more damage as has been done, maybe it would be advantageous to you to declare it. Again, I am simply an applicant, so don't twist my words for those of TOP. [/quote] Understandable, and just so we are clear my alliance is not in this war at the moment. This war does involve our allies, however it is my understanding they have not requested military assistance from us yet. We will not bandwagon in a war where we are not wanted, and so until our allies ask for our assistance, I am officially neutral in this war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalaskan Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 [quote name='Yggdrazil' date='06 February 2010 - 02:07 AM' timestamp='1265454462' post='2164229'] Your treaty said nothing about mediation,half the alliance that are declaring or using the MD of their treaties.They aren't using mediation they are going in regardless of treaty partners.STA is not declared against those fighting NpO they declared in defense of your side of the fight.They are ignoring a treaty partner and fighting for another.I have heard no condemnation for this action from your side of the fight.Thus NpO could have ignored their commitment to MK by this acceptance of STA's actions.Permissible if it benefits MK condemned if its doesn't.I expect sophist of MK caliber to fail to understand this nuance. [/quote] Why would they condemn wrong actions when it benefits them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalaskan Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 [quote name='Caliph' date='06 February 2010 - 02:10 AM' timestamp='1265454615' post='2164232'] Understandable, and just so we are clear my alliance is not in this war at the moment. This war does involve our allies, however it is my understanding they have not requested military assistance from us yet. We will not bandwagon in a war where we are not wanted, and so until our allies ask for our assistance, I am officially neutral in this war. [/quote] I imagine the time will come soon. Saying you are neutral is akin to C&G saying they were at the beginning of this conflict when NpO was begging TOP/IRON to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link Gaetz Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 I have to say. NpO's behavior in this war is the single strangest thing I've seen in my time on Planet Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadie Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Been a long time since Polar has been a meatshield. I suppose if you can get one last use out of ally, might as well put that piece wherever you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliph Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 [quote name='Chalaskan' date='06 February 2010 - 03:14 AM' timestamp='1265454855' post='2164236'] I imagine the time will come soon. Saying you are neutral is akin to C&G saying they were at the beginning of this conflict when NpO was begging TOP/IRON to help. [/quote] The only allies we have are both involved in this war on the side opposite to TOP. Should either request our assistance, we will be there. So far neither has requested our entrance to my knowledge. I myself have more friends on the side that is against TOP, and that is the side, if any, that I suspect my alliance would enter on, but as of right now we are not in the war and are thus, neutral. Or, I suppose you could state we are in reserve, but anyone who is knowledgeable about our treaties already knew that. That said, best of luck Hope you get in the war soon and have a blast destroying some infra and tech and land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astronaut jones Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 jesus christ all mighty... I will not be used by any one to simply further their own political gains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baden-Württemberg Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 [quote name='Moridin' date='06 February 2010 - 11:23 AM' timestamp='1265451801' post='2164179'] Declaring war on TOP puts more heat, not less, on the alliance. I can also fully guarantee that he got [i]more[/i] backlash from allies, not less, for going to NSO's aid, and [i]even more[/i] from the decision to hit TOP. This whole entire war has been one disaster after another that has continually put NpO in a worse and worse position, not better. If you think for even a second that NpO is somehow coming out on top here because of Grub's clever survivalist tactics you couldn't possibly be more wrong. Also, love the NAAC jabs. Because it totally makes you a "survivalist" if you join an alliance after your previous one [i]disbands[/i]. God knows there's plenty of legitimate criticism to go around here, why in the world do you need to resort to this crap? Grub decided to resign well before the DoW on TOP was planned. [/quote] And who is responsible for this "disaster"? I bet it isn't Grub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalaskan Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 [quote name='Caliph' date='06 February 2010 - 02:25 AM' timestamp='1265455503' post='2164242'] The only allies we have are both involved in this war on the side opposite to TOP. Should either request our assistance, we will be there. So far neither has requested our entrance to my knowledge. I myself have more friends on the side that is against TOP, and that is the side, if any, that I suspect my alliance would enter on, but as of right now we are not in the war and are thus, neutral. Or, I suppose you could state we are in reserve, but anyone who is knowledgeable about our treaties already knew that. That said, best of luck Hope you get in the war soon and have a blast destroying some infra and tech and land [/quote] I do not speak specifically of you at all. You are a soldier as am I. This war is about ideals, and ours probably conflict. I don't hold a grudge towards yourself specifically, just those that pioneer it and then degenerate to the point they declare on those trying to help the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moridin Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 [quote name='Baden-Württemberg' date='06 February 2010 - 03:32 AM' timestamp='1265455953' post='2164245'] And who is responsible for this "disaster"? I bet it isn't Grub [/quote] why are you betting that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerichoholic Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 You totally just screwed up my war web. Though it does make things more interesting, especially if Polar's allies follow suit. Has there ever been a 3 sided war this big? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxian Empire Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 What the hell just happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godwin Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Ignoring the past 24 pages of people arguing about random crap, I'll get straight to the point. Grub... Now, without any doubt whatsoever, I can say that I respect you. I may not agree with you on, well, anything, but this decision was an honorable one and you made it despite not necessarily wanting to. I wish you the best in your war with TOP, especially since I like them significantly less than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalaskan Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 [quote name='King Penchuk' date='06 February 2010 - 02:48 AM' timestamp='1265456884' post='2164255'] What the hell just happened? [/quote] Your alliance just screwed those that tried to help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Sitruk Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 [quote name='Godwin' date='06 February 2010 - 05:49 AM' timestamp='1265456942' post='2164256'] Ignoring the past 24 pages of people arguing about random crap, I'll get straight to the point. Grub... Now, without any doubt whatsoever, I can say that I respect you. I may not agree with you on, well, anything, but this decision was an honorable one and you made it despite not necessarily wanting to. I wish you the best in your war with TOP, especially since I like them significantly less than you. [/quote] you respect fighting both sides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebubu Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Welcome to the best front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROMMELHSQ Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 [quote name='Bodvar Jarl' date='06 February 2010 - 01:34 PM' timestamp='1265452469' post='2164192'] Oh, and vietTOP would be ripping off on something that already happened, let's call it [b]TOPocalypse.[/b] [/quote] I love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorkingClassRuler Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 I'm increasingly of the hope that somewhere, out there, the real us are all peacefully getting on with our lives while this Planet Bob sits on the bottom of the ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balkan Banania Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 (edited) I like the hearing of TOPocalypse , although I hope that TOP/IRON will find peace soon, hopefully when NpO get peace by the side of C&G et al . Concerning NpO actions, I don't get it, these seems to not be the actions of a sovereign alliance. As STA selected a side, so must NpO, it is not so difficult to actually make decisions. If you want to stand by MK et al. then ditch NSO again, after all you know the drill. Edited February 6, 2010 by Balkan Banania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sanders Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 Good job Grub, you will be lucky to have 3 or 4 treaties by the time you are through burning bridges. And I thought Crymson's record was bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some-Guy Posted February 6, 2010 Report Share Posted February 6, 2010 I like to think I've been pretty friendly and gentlemanly during this war to all assembled, I'd like to keep that trend going. So, I'd best stay well away from this thread and anything to do with NpO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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