Xavii Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) While I disagree with what TOP decided to do during this and how they went about doing it, the fact remained they entered this war to support NpO. NpO knew they were hitting CnG and according to TOP, said they were in it for the long haul. And when the peaces started moving they betrayed people trying to help them. I for one will never trust NpO or Grub. This reminds when The Mafia canceled on Genmay and hit GOONS. Equally !@#$%* move. Edited January 29, 2010 by Xavii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime minister Johns Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 TOP and IRON launched a separate, aggressive war without any justification whatsoever. This is not a case of a flimsy or dubious casus belli, but the complete non-existence of reasoning. This will be treated as an entirely unrelated conflict, and will be reflected as such in the level of destruction wrought within TOP and IRON's nations. TOP & IRON entered in defence of the NpO and somehow in the confusion the message that the NpO had reached a peace settlement did not reach them until they declared. Do not attribute to malevolence that which can be explained by other means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kewlleo Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 TOP & IRON entered in defence of the NpO and somehow in the confusion the message that the NpO had reached a peace settlement did not reach them until they declared. Do not attribute to malevolence that which can be explained by other means. When it looks like it, feels like it, tastes like it, you call it what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jer Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 They made a mistake and should pay for it. Besides, I want to see whether they've got the stomach to fight for months on end as they are all so brazenly suggesting is going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 In an ideal world, TOP/IRON would 'surrender' with a term of apologising for needlessly opening up a new front. (It's clearly a new front, but it isn't really a new war; this obviously wouldn't have happened without the pre-existing war, and TOP reference NpO directly in the DoW.) However, with the bad blood between C&G and these two alliances, that's obviously unlikely. What will happen is that C&G will realise that TOP is a tougher nut than they thought, and after 8000 nukes have been thrown around, then we will see the agreement above, with both sides weakened. IRON, being much less strong than TOP, are probably going to get rolled hard and tough terms, again because of pre-existing dislike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CylonNL Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I'm copying my reaction from another thread. TOP & Co. made a very, very bad opportunistic decision. And unlike in the banking industry, they do have consequences on planet Bob. By pre-emptively attacking CnG they stepped into water that might be to deep for them. If you decide to strike an alliance pre-emptively you take a big risk, and you better live with the consequences. I hope they give you hell and you put up a good fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafiel Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 TOP & IRON entered in defence of the NpO and somehow in the confusion the message that the NpO had reached a peace settlement did not reach them until they declared. Do not attribute to malevolence that which can be explained by other means. I wonder if NpO were in war with CnG when TOP & IRON supposedly raised in defense of NpO ? you say it as such if NpO was approved preemptive declaration of war on some neutral nations ? by the way it's 2nd paragraph of TOP declaration of war against CnG To our opponents: We agree with the New Polar Order's reasons for war against \m/, and we consider ourselves part of that particular side of the war. For our part, however, much our reason to enter this war lies in our desire to defeat those who have shown time and time again, in public and in private, that doing harm to us is high on their agenda---and that, indeed, they would take advantage of any advantageous opportunity to do so. This is a war they have brought upon themselves. I think the reason of war is completely clear . and I think all of their alliance signed it Signed,Crymson, Grandmaster, 1/3 of the Holy Trinity, stukach hunter SkyGreenChick, Grand Hospitaller, first female Council member, the holder of the official Order's whip, and accidental 1/3rd of the current Holy Trinity Feanor, Grand Chancellor, 1/3rd of the Holy Trinity, and the Sword of Johan GuardianofNewbs, Grand Legate, Paradoxian. Tushar Dhoot, Grand Treasurer, Economic Mastermind and Winner of Wars. ChaosTheory, Grand Defender, defender of e-honor, pixels and all things moral on internet text-games Berith, Grand Inductor, The Singularity HellAngel, Councilor-at-Large, the man without fancy names Craven, Heptagon Alderman, Immortal Emperor of the Land of Lightning and Proud Member of TOP "This is the part where you bow to me and tell me how handsome I am" mitchh, Heptagon Alderman, Champion Hospitaller First Class, liker long walks on beaches Zebedee, Heptagon Alderman, Paradoxian. Tex, Heptagon Alderman, master of texas, slayer of kings, harbinger of fine women and alcohols. Bodvar Jarl, Heptagon Alderman, buzz killer Crazy Canuck, Heptagon Alderman, reincarnated soul of TOP. Timberland, Heptagon Alderman, wearer of the mud hole stomping boots. aaannndddyyy, destroyer of pixels, grave dancer (hi ES), worshiper of the platypus, infra loving paradoxian til death. AAlumni, Super Genius, Chess Master, Evil Spock and all-around good guy Aesis, Grand Defender of the Order Emeritus, Militant 2nd Class AFI, Follower of Johan Ajaxpenny, Rememberer of the Past and Catalyst of the Future alpreb, High Champion of the Order, Historian of the Order Armutso, LF1 night stands, General Assembly, Member of TOP. AvengerNL, village idiot Avernite, Queen Mother aznjons, Patrician of AnkhMorpork, TAFKA The Viridian Lightning, Proud Paradoxian BadBoyBill signing another dang DOW still miffed about the last signing for a non war this better be a real war this time or maybe I'll just refuse to use any punctuation in my sentence structure from here on out and see just how many lines of text that I can write in a cohesive manner before you stop reading because the amount of frustration you feel for not having a period or comma or even an exclamation so that you can't even take a breath while your reading this and if you have made it this far my fellow warriors well for Christ sakes put a rock in your crack pipe and fire in the hole:) Baron Watkin deSandersted, City State of Alisaunder, Orange Team, The Order of the Paradox Basharious; Knight Commander, Militant 1st Class. Paradoxia's one man band. Batman, Who the **** do you think I am Benevlan, what is this I don't even, Member of GA, Knight Hospitaller Blue Lightning - This alliance signature thing is stupid. I mean, legally speaking, don't we sign everything we do with the Council's signature serving as that of the alliance anyway? I for one am not signing this gobbledegook. Also Hello. BudLight, who traded away his soul with his V-card, tactless and unbridled, yet somehow refined and tasteful. Also smaller than most of TOP's ghosts. Buller, the blunt, general cool guy. Bunka, ready to die by command! Caliper, Grand Purveyor of Cheese Carl the Conqueror, Lord of Inactivity, Master of the Airwaves, Wrath of the 3rd Chapter Casey, resident cookiemonger and member of the 6th brigade Celial, The Greatest Bobo of GreatBobonistan Consul of Monkeys, lover of baked beans on toast, paradoxian forever. Crispy, Unknown. Croix, The French-Pole, bane of microalliances everywhere, No I'm not Adrian La Croix, and my name is pronounced French. Not Crocks, D: CrossOfMight, Holy Warrior, 5th brigade slacker , Member of TOP Daedalus, High Champion of The Order of the Paradox. Decrepdsol, Harbinger of Destruction, TOP 3rd Brigade Deus, better the paradox of ZI than tyranny of evil. DougZ37 - Master of Traps - Man of the Night DukeWilliam, Partaker in elaborate list signings. EngineerSean, spy, nuclear rogue, and thief ewatk432, [insert witty, yet thoughtful, but still forceful nickname here] Extremelyaverage--The TRUE order Of the Paradox--Champion of Words, Speaker of Truth, and The Best Qualitative Researcher in the Game. Feanor, Grand Chancellor of the Order, 1/3rd of the Holy Trinity and the Sword of Johan. Fighter26, Minister of foreign duck and llama affairs floridamcmarion1, TOP embalmer in residence Friar, ruler of Taiga. 7th Brigade Frydchikn, Good with hotsauce, Better with beer, Best in TOP Fulgrim, Scion of Chemos, Lord of the Lurkers, Bearer of Furstenburg and other Pilsners of exceptional quality, Originator of the Ponzi Scheme. Hagar, Grand Defender of all Paradoxians playing CORE for Hearts of Iron, TOP member till death harmoxe, an unnecessary load on the server. Hasin, Champion of the Sun, Master of Karate Hayzell, Twilight Vanquisher, Champion Millitant, 2nd Class, 5th Brigade Commander Hepokatti, Turhanpäiväinen juntti Suomesta, Stat collector, Proud member of TOP Herbert, The Herbe-Fox, superduper fantastico almighty goodness-in-a-bottle not-to-be-denied 6th man. His Holiness Josh F, Greater then you on all levels, Loyal member of TOP Ice, The Peace Mode Guy, Incognito, proud member of TOP Inferno of Ariana, Keeper of the Fingerspitzengefuhl, Shaman, Dark Grämling Revolutionary Ivegottheskill, Gentleman and Scholar, Infra Hugger 1st Class, Bringer of Nuclear Anarchy, He Who Stole the Cookie from the Cookie Jar, Well Liked by Animals jaaku - dark gatekeeper, dude who sometimes says stuff, and total %*$#bag Janosik, Praefectus, Decrepit Chaptermaster, Madman, on run from authorities O.O Jayne Cobb - Hero of Canton, Manticore X5-494, Champion of the ruttin' Mudders Jenko, Tech Whore, Infra Hugger and Hander of @#$%. Jhovozhymeh, Shameless Whovian, Part Time Lurker, Proud Paradoxian Jinnai, Pure Evil Genius Joe Kremlin, Observer of Wars, Knight Hospitaller, TOP Member Kaiser, Fine Gentleman and Bum of the Order Kantenbauer: also Bob Keith AbelaWadge of Msida, member of TOP, from the small country in the Mediterranean, MALTA Keresztes, red cross, Member of TOP, Tsar and Autocrat of all the Sapins, Grand Duke of the Balkan Alps, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera Kiss Goodbye, Knight Concilliator, Voice of Reason unheard Kommie, TOP Member Since: Aug 28 2006 Kongo, Kongo Kuzuryusen, Tech is Delicious. LiquidMercury, Wrath of Karma, Destroyer of Worlds, Tech Whore, TOP MEMBER Locke, Dancer of the Eternal Flame Maladieshie, Defender of the peace pipe, Raider of the cookie jar, In hoc signo vinces. Manwell, God amongst amoebas, professional tonka truck driver, English herbsman Master Splinter, occasional poster, founder of Bunkaism, Immortal of the Eighth Chapter, that one guy... with the rat picture, yeah that one Minarchist--Harbinger of Johan in the Cyberverse Mongrel, biting your leg after urinating on your carpet. Monkeydee, Actively Retired, Forever Virgin. Mortale, Prutser and Congratulations you made it this far now go read the rest. MrCyber, Bringer of Death and Destruction, Master of the Skies, Ruler of the Seas. Murmurandus the Slow... necAnt, King of Ants, Leader of MTftA (More Tech For The Ants), TOP-Member NorthernLights, The Midnight Toker, the noodle knocker, that guy coming for your jewels & ATX banga Offler, Mr. Mom, part time internet Smart $@! Ojiras Ajeridas, almost intelligent, almost scary, completely TOP Pike, Cannon fodder, Proud member of TOP Pino Ponken, Artist of the Order and King of the Sea President Obama, infra hugger and member of The Order of The Paradox Pseudodragon, Freeloading Oldtimer Rector, Champion Hospitaller, Tech Repo Specialist romanfool, Stat Collector, Coward, Useless Ally, Member of the Order of the Paradox ROMMEL_HSQ, of Palestine4ever, ex-Heptagon alderman, Emperor of TOP and FOK, double spy for TOP and Gremlins, bringer of cute females, Brigade Commander of the 1st Brigade Ruphus Elderbeer, Guard Dog of TOP. WOOF! Saber, El Diablo, High Priest of Saberites, Holy Trinity Member, Resident Worf, Manticoran and last of the Desert Rats! Sadinoelus, Connoisseur of needlessly over-elaborate deathtraps and, should that fail, shooting people in the face Salajol, Grand Defender Emeritus of the Order, Militant 2nd Class, and consumer of oversized burritos. SanderP, kicking your gf for $10 and a bag of cheetos. Shardoon, Oldtown, Arient Shadawg, masticator of infra, solver of problems , proud TOP foot soldier Simon De Montfort, Minister of Silly Films SomeGuy, still sleeping. Sodom Gomorrah, Heptagon Alderman and Champion Hospitallier of Paradoxia, Highlord of the Northern realms. Spacehusky, Firer of Missiles I, Strahd von Zarovich, Darklord of Barovia and Manticore Suicidal4289- Reaper of my enemies, and follower of the platypus TailsK, The Two Tailed, Cunning Like A Fox, Aid System Extraordinaire, Paradoxian. talin, Finally tekken, 1337 lurker, in for the kill, TOP member Telchar, TheHighExalted, mostly inactive, but not inactive enough to save you. THUNDER-X, Twister of Fate, Pope of Chilitown, and master of Simpsons Trivia TonytheTiger, a Proud Paradoxian Nation. tripp_trap, nostalgia guardian extraordinaire, commissar of the 9th chapter, ghost of the Golden Hall. Tyon, Member of TOP, Boss of Outer-Heaven and loveable tree hugger. Uncle Bryan of Left Out. Yes, I am old enough to be your uncle, and have been playing strategy games since before you were born Unspeakable Evil: Paradoxical Minister of Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics; Stats Collector Prime Urmom, Officer of the Damned, Master of the Swarm V The King, Paradoxian Footballer Extraordinaire, also a headbanger (\m/ >_< \m/) and very very unjust towards his enemies Viceä, Lord of Flies, member of paradox. Vladimir Stukov, Knight Commander, Grand Defender Emeritus of the Order, Militant 2nd Class WalkerNinja, The Mad Titan, Death's Consort, Bearer of the Infinity Gauntlet Xcruciate - Collector of Caffeine, Hoarder of Half and Half, Scavenger of Sugar, Primed to pour scalding liquid on all those that oppose. Yalaria. Emperor of the western seas and Lord of the knitting circle. Paradoxian. Yir Yoronti, teh Sausage Man, High priest of the temple of Timberland and ebil overlord of the Grey Knights And everyone else... 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Lafiel Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 and look at Iron & Dawn , They seems declared War Against CnG for the sake of Fun Of it , no reason no nothing Just for the sake of Making a DoW . Offical Dispatch from the Independent Republic of Orange Nations <Lando[Athens]> well guys. <Londo[Athens]> don't dissapoint me. <Londo[Athens]> when I wake up I expect to see a DoW. <Londo[Athens]> THE TROLLING WILL CONTINUE <Londo[Athens]> UNTIL IRON ACTUALLY DOWS ask and you shall recieve, to further improve community standards, fight trolling, IRON and DAWN hereby declare war against CnG signed for the Independent Republic of Orange Nations FinsterBaby, President DVDCCHN, Secretary of State, IRON Councilor Delgursh, Deputy Secretary of State, IRON Councilor Shanenshah, Deputy Secretary of State, IRON Councilor MCRABT, Minister of Defense, IRON Councilor Matt Miller, Minister of the Vault, IRON Councilor Krash, Minister of Labor, IRON Councilor bay102174, Minister of Tables, IRON Councilor Sighned for the Democratic Allaince of wise Nations Booter, Triumvir Frannie, Triumvir Shilo, Triumvir Golan1st, Coordinator of Diplomacy amad123, Coordinator of War This post has been edited by dvdcchn: Today, 08:25 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lebubu Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 All aggressive and defensive alliances were not involved in actual military operations in the \m/-NpO conflict. This is a new war, and will be treated as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Brendan Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 TOP & IRON entered in defence of the NpO and somehow in the confusion the message that the NpO had reached a peace settlement did not reach them until they declared. Do not attribute to malevolence that which can be explained by other means. Did you read the TOP DoW? For our part, however, much our reason to enter this war lies in our desire to defeat those who have shown time and time again, in public and in private, that doing harm to us is high on their agenda---and that, indeed, they would take advantage of any advantageous opportunity to do so. This is a war they have brought upon themselves. It's basically "we think C&G is a threat and now is a good time to attack them". I think C&G would be stupid to just let them walk away after showing their cards like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafiel Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 and look at Torn they practically attacked CnG without any declaration of war. in fact they declared war but on whom ? TORN Announcement Translation: Today The Order of Righteous Nations marches to war. We do so standing shoulder to shoulder with our brothers in the Duckroll Project. It is our great honor to fight and die by their side once more. Our nations will together fight with a single purpose and with an unwaivering resolve. United we are strong, united we will win. We're coming for you. /s/ Bigwoody, Dear Leader SinisterCanuck, Triumvir of War Lord Curzon, Triumvir of Foreign Affairs DDEShare, Triumvir of Internal Affairs Hilowe, TORN Representative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flak attack Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 (edited) i don´t know which of the options will happen or should happen, as this lies within the eye of the beholder, but what i know is, that those 10k (?) nukes both sides have combined, will make an sweet little soft reset for the game. So how high was GRL in karma again? MK, TOP and IRON alone have more than 10k. This is probably well over 20k at this point. In an ideal world, TOP/IRON would 'surrender' with a term of apologising for needlessly opening up a new front. (It's clearly a new front, but it isn't really a new war; this obviously wouldn't have happened without the pre-existing war, and TOP reference NpO directly in the DoW.) However, with the bad blood between C&G and these two alliances, that's obviously unlikely. What will happen is that C&G will realise that TOP is a tougher nut than they thought, and after 8000 nukes have been thrown around, then we will see the agreement above, with both sides weakened. IRON, being much less strong than TOP, are probably going to get rolled hard and tough terms, again because of pre-existing dislike. I don't think either side wants this one to end any time soon. This is going to be fun as hell. Edited January 29, 2010 by flak attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dochartaigh Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 While I disagree with what TOP decided to do during this and how they went about doing it, the fact remained they entered this war to support NpO. NpO knew they were hitting CnG and according to TOP, said they were in it for the long haul. And when the peaces started moving they betrayed people trying to help them. I for one will never trust NpO or Grub. This reminds when The Mafia canceled on Genmay and hit GOONS. Equally !@#$%* move. wait, why won't you trust NpO or Grub? the plan from what i have heard was never to pre-emptively strike CnG, it was to wait until CnG entered the war, then hit them. seems you just want to hate on Polaris/Grub some more despite most other posts including the DoWs from TOP/IRON/DAWN/TORN stating that they hit because they wanted to, not because of Polaris telling them too. as for the Peace between Polaris/\m/, even CSM stated that peace was reached when TOP/IRON/TORN/DAWN DoWed. so how could Polaris possibly tell TOP/Co prior to their DoWs that peace had been reached? most people, even those not involved in the talks, knew that peace talks were already underway between \m/ and Polaris, this is reflected in the fact that a couple of days ago, Grub stated he was willing to make a concession to \m/ about not being the "sole authority on community standards". so i suggest you get off your high horse and look at the facts. the reason this is treated as a separate war is what was written in the DoWs, which may have mentioned NpO, but also gave a completely separate reason for entering the war as they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavii Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 snip I know you will never admit otherwise but I got my info from several sources having friends on both sides. But I said my peace in this thread already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homura Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I'm a little torn on this one. I like the idea of ODN and TOP fighting to the death. Part of me wants to see TOP win somehow for this, even if it means escalating the whole world into this conflict. But then again, I'd just like to have a spitball fight with Electron Sponge using 100 franco bills. (which admittedly aren't worth much these days, with the post-Karma War downturn in the Pacifican economy and all) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starcraftmazter Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I for one welcome war, in all it's forms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellAngel Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Ah well i guess we played right into your hands, but its not like it would have ended up any differently if we just waited for everyone to come in. Why did i know in advance Aircastle was coming for us and Sparta for IRON? Yes. Lolpsec. We just didnt follow the treaty party line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzoppistan Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Don't care. TOP and their allies saw a threat in CnG and moved to eliminate them. Probably for good reason. The only question was whether TOP would be countered by CnG in the NpO escalated wars or if they should have struck preemptively. Now we know. Either way, this conflict was going to happen. I don't think NpO did this to "trap" TOP, but I do think once TOP declared, NpO realized their best strategy was to peace out and sit back to watch the world burn down around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denial Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 TOP & IRON entered in defence of the NpO and somehow in the confusion the message that the NpO had reached a peace settlement did not reach them until they declared. Do not attribute to malevolence that which can be explained by other means. In defence of NpO? At what point was Complaints & Grievances ever attacking the New Polar Order, or any of it friends or allies? Or even any of it's war-time allies? The fact of the matter is that TOP and IRON have assembled a minor coalition and aggressively attacked our bloc - a bloc that was entirely uninvolved in any conflict - without provocation or reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heft Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 In defence of NpO? At what point was Complaints & Grievances ever attacking the New Polar Order, or any of it friends or allies? Or even any of it's war-time allies? The fact of the matter is that TOP and IRON have assembled a minor coalition and aggressively attacked our bloc - a bloc that was entirely uninvolved in any conflict - without provocation or reasoning. It is always impressive to me the extent to which the human mind can ignore reality in an effort to maintain its own beliefs, no matter how clearly irrational or ignorant those beliefs may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyriq Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) Opening up the C&G front was a pretty audacious move, speaking in my mind to how the "Polar side" saw this war going. Would this have tipped the scale towards Polar's long-term benefit I can't say, but the fact that they peaced out their front after this front got geared up and going leaves us with another lopsided war. I agree with Bob Janova though, the amount of damage that TOP and Co is going to deliver should seriously open some eyes. Edited January 30, 2010 by eyriq Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Expects Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 It is always impressive to me the extent to which the human mind can ignore reality in an effort to maintain its own beliefs, no matter how clearly irrational or ignorant those beliefs may be. Indeed, anyone trying to spin this as a different war is delusional at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saber Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 In defence of NpO? At what point was Complaints & Grievances ever attacking the New Polar Order, or any of it friends or allies? Or even any of it's war-time allies? The fact of the matter is that TOP and IRON have assembled a minor coalition and aggressively attacked our bloc - a bloc that was entirely uninvolved in any conflict - without provocation or reasoning. Do you actually think we have no heard this line of propaganda before? YES, WE KNOW CnG WAS NOT AT WAR WITH NpO. But we all knew that you are lined up to attack us and rather than wait for you to deploy in a manner and way you like, we decided to take the fight to you. Not let you to move forces to peace properly and then deploy when and how you see fit. We have balls to do so. You can call it stupid or foolish but it doesn't change the fact that we will smack your face in and that I am still not convinced you can defeat us. Prove me wrong. And please, for love of jesus and all things sacred stop with redundant propaganda. We know CnG was not fighting NpO and that we preempted. We heard your cries of unjust attack on CnG. Now stop it and deal with it. It's not like we can say "Ooops, our bad, war is over". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 In defence of NpO? At what point was Complaints & Grievances ever attacking the New Polar Order, or any of it friends or allies? Or even any of it's war-time allies? The fact of the matter is that TOP and IRON have assembled a minor coalition and aggressively attacked our bloc - a bloc that was entirely uninvolved in any conflict - without provocation or reasoning. You've extended your party line into a lie there. Several representatives of C&G alliances were involved in planning and other auxiliary parts of the raider coalition. You were not at war but you certainly were involved, and everybody knew that you were very likely to join on that side. TOP and IRON made a big mistake pre-empting your entrance and allowing you to use this line (that you were not at war), but to claim that you were 'entirely uninvolved' is just not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldr Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) I notice that in the wiki, http://cybernations.wikia.com/wiki/TOP-C%26G_War, it's showing that FARK declared on IRON, on the 28th. But they declared earlier than that - before TOP declared on CnG. They just didn't post to the forums about it, which were down at the time. Even so, pretending that they declared after TOP declared on CnG is simply wrong. At least *some* of those fighting on the CnG side of this were already involved in the war, already declaring on those on the TOP/IRON side. I'm not sure if this is the only example, but it makes me distrustful of the wiki when I see it being obviously twisted to help one side look like the innocent victim. Edited January 30, 2010 by Baldr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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