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My point stands, would be better if people was sincere and just said: "Our level of trust isn't big enough to sign an MDP because we can't promise that we will defend them in case of attack."

Its a bit more complicated than that, but that is basically the message inherent in any sub-MDP level treaty.

More completely, it is "Well, we haven't really had a lot of direct communication until recently, but what little we've seen of each other we like, perhaps even a lot, so we'll set up this relationship that we 99% expect to be as binding as a MDP, but in case of that 1% chance of you going off the deep end like a gibbon on crazy pills and do something that we neither anticipated or like, we'll leave it optional for the time being, and look to upgrade when we've reached that comfortable "sit around all afternoon reading and not really talking to each other but still feeling really glad of each other's company" phase of the relationship.

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Its a bit more complicated than that, but that is basically the message inherent in any sub-MDP level treaty.

More completely, it is "Well, we haven't really had a lot of direct communication until recently, but what little we've seen of each other we like, perhaps even a lot, so we'll set up this relationship that we 99% expect to be as binding as a MDP, but in case of that 1% chance of you going off the deep end like a gibbon on crazy pills and do something that we neither anticipated or like, we'll leave it optional for the time being, and look to upgrade when we've reached that comfortable "sit around all afternoon reading and not really talking to each other but still feeling really glad of each other's company" phase of the relationship.

So are you telling me that the only difference between the ODP treaties to MDP+ treaties is that if some of you MDP+ treaty partners "go off the deep end like a gibbon on crazy pills and do something that we neither anticipated or like" you will defend them?

:P

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Its a bit more complicated than that, but that is basically the message inherent in any sub-MDP level treaty.

More completely, it is "Well, we haven't really had a lot of direct communication until recently, but what little we've seen of each other we like, perhaps even a lot, so we'll set up this relationship that we 99% expect to be as binding as a MDP, but in case of that 1% chance of you going off the deep end like a gibbon on crazy pills and do something that we neither anticipated or like, we'll leave it optional for the time being, and look to upgrade when we've reached that comfortable "sit around all afternoon reading and not really talking to each other but still feeling really glad of each other's company" phase of the relationship.

Is any of this even in english? Imp..we love you but that dungeon is making you crazy

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So are you telling me that the only difference between the ODP treaties to MDP+ treaties is that if some of you MDP+ treaty partners "go off the deep end like a gibbon on crazy pills and do something that we neither anticipated or like" you will defend them?

:P

no, the difference is that with MDP+ partners we feel that we know someone well enough that we feel confident that they WON'T. Or at least that we'd notice soon enough to not be caught with our pants down.

However, if they DID go off the deep end, and we WERE caught with our pants down (and thus never cancelled) and it was a MDP+ treaty, yeah we'd be honoring the treaty. They aren't "Mutual Defense Unless You Go Crazy" treaties, after all.

/though now I kinda want to sign one of those with someone...

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no, the difference is that with MDP+ partners we feel that we know someone well enough that we feel confident that they WON'T. Or at least that we'd notice soon enough to not be caught with our pants down.

However, if they DID go off the deep end, and we WERE caught with our pants down (and thus never cancelled) and it was a MDP+ treaty, yeah we'd be honoring the treaty. They aren't "Mutual Defense Unless You Go Crazy" treaties, after all.

/though now I kinda want to sign one of those with someone...

When we upgrade this, that can be what we sign :awesome:

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no, the difference is that with MDP+ partners we feel that we know someone well enough that we feel confident that they WON'T. Or at least that we'd notice soon enough to not be caught with our pants down.

However, if they DID go off the deep end, and we WERE caught with our pants down (and thus never cancelled) and it was a MDP+ treaty, yeah we'd be honoring the treaty. They aren't "Mutual Defense Unless You Go Crazy" treaties, after all.

/though now I kinda want to sign one of those with someone...

Do we need a note from a doctor's note?

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