Overlord Shinnra Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 This wasn't in response to one recruitment message or recruitment messages from just noobs. There were several incidences in the past week. Obviously the policy is just a bit far fetched. We will let diplomacy win out the day as far as it allows and we will not be attacking anyone without just cause (I really don't care if your big or small, I would attack an alliance ten times bigger then I without allies). Obviously this is an overreaction to things but consider this a notice that we get cranky over small things and you don't want to mess with the crazy guy in the corner who is irritable imo. Consider you notified Consider us cranky and hormonal Consider this thread dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Autumn Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 And thus The Resistance has set itself up as the pawn for the beginning of a large and ultimately stupid war. Nicely done climbing into that large oven - hopefully nobody is smart enough to light it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EgoFreaky Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 To the best of my knowledge, the other incident they are referring to is unrelated to the incident with one of my members. *walks away from the thread again to keep lurking. EDIT: Also, as far as Krynn is concerned, the issue with tR was resolved last night. We wish them well in their future endeavors and announcements. I think your response yesterday was the best way to go, especially the educating of recruiters part. Normally I would agree that this announcement is unnecessary, but seeing how tR has been plaged with recruitement letters the last week very understandable. I hope this announcement gives other alliances out there the same idea to keep an eye out on what their recruiters are up to and perhaps do some educating of their own. In short, I support this message and understand the frustration. Ps. My apologies to all alliances I poached from in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krunk the Great Posted January 15, 2010 Report Share Posted January 15, 2010 (edited) I hope this announcement gives other alliances out there the same idea to keep an eye out on what their recruiters are up to and perhaps do some educating of their own. Or, The Resistance could just accept that they get recruitment messages (Like Grey Council) and make do Edited January 15, 2010 by Krunk the Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtamdraugr Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 (snip) The third will endure a little bit of war as a lesson. (snip again) believes their member should not be attacked, then we have a classic throwdown. "Will"...is not "could" or "may" or "might"... it is a certainty, regardless or your "99%" declaration. I will react very violently if one of my little brothers is attacked...for any reason. I see clarifications from members of tR other than the OP, but I have yet to see the policy redacted or amended to reflect the argued stance. Policy Clarification from the Cult of Justitia:Any attack on any Justitian on any grounds will result in swift military retaliation from the Cult. Schattenmann, Presbyter of the Cult I'll be damned if you attack a member of mine over a mistake. Clearly, both of the above quoted honorable gentlemen have portrayed my stance appertaining to this policy. Although, I am not in a position within my government to offer a similar bindng declaration, I am adament in my right to defend my brethren against unwarranted agression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Chocolate Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I put the the possibility of the next instance of our members getting recruitment messages being met with war on the offending nation at 99%. Our allies will of course receive a kinder form of diplomacy. Maybe it's harsh but it is not meant as a threat, but rather a notice to prevent violence. Don't recruit our members. Thank you, mattski133 Prime Minister of The Resistance The rules regarding recruitment are all based on "common practice," can (in theory) vary from group to group in terms of a response and are not self-evident. If it's something that happens on a regular basis from the same alliance or on a large scale or is obviously done by someone who knows better, I can see that a strong reaction MAY be warranted. However, mistakes happen. The response should equal (or maybe be a LITTLE stronger than the wrong.) This policy is far too extreme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overlord Shinnra Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Or, The Resistance could just accept that they get recruitment messages (Like Grey Council) and make do seeing as you are one of the nations who tried to recruit from us in the past week I don't think your opinion really matters as an offender. There might have been a poor showing from us on this policy (up to interpretation) but let me remind you that the worst showing is those who try to poach members from sovereign alliances. Poor showing from you and those who try to defend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattski133 Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I think your response yesterday was the best way to go, especially the educating of recruiters part. Normally I would agree that this announcement is unnecessary, but seeing how tR has been plaged with recruitement letters the last week very understandable.I hope this announcement gives other alliances out there the same idea to keep an eye out on what their recruiters are up to and perhaps do some educating of their own. In short, I support this message and understand the frustration. Ps. My apologies to all alliances I poached from in the past By all means, listen to this man, the only one who took the point of this post home. This is not to vilify past offenders who have acted appropriately, and it is not to antagonize anyone (we didn't call anyone out) like many seem to be grasping at here. It is a warning that recruiting from our membership is a serious offense in our alliance (if it isn't in yours, that's fine, but it is in ours) and that you should take some care to find out who is recruiting in your alliance. Or, The Resistance could just accept that they get recruitment messages (Like Grey Council) and make do lol. JW: should have asked for reps from you guys but i guess we are pretty evil after all this carnage we've caused. err... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Empire Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 This is ridiculous. Was this really necessary, mattski? I think Buds The Man summed up my feelings pretty well.Edit: to include said feelings this is what I'm thinking as well. Can't wait until one of your recruiters makes an honest human mistake. perhaps this sort of thing is why the total population of BOB is shrinking, complete foolish intolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McDonald Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Quite possibly the worst policy announcement I've seen. I understand the frustration with receiving letters, but it should have been communicated differently. All you have managed to do with this thread is destroy some credibility and confirm this post was made in the heat of the moment with no thought of what a sober second thought may bring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTTezla Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 This wasn't in response to one recruitment message or recruitment messages from just noobs. There were several incidences in the past week. Obviously the policy is just a bit far fetched. We will let diplomacy win out the day as far as it allows and we will not be attacking anyone without just cause (I really don't care if your big or small, I would attack an alliance ten times bigger then I without allies). Obviously this is an overreaction to things but consider this a notice that we get cranky over small things and you don't want to mess with the crazy guy in the corner who is irritable imo. Consider you notified Consider us cranky and hormonal Consider this thread dead. This is a very reasonable post. Unfortunately, it appears to have been ignored by mattski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krunk the Great Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 seeing as you are one of the nations who tried to recruit from us in the past week I don't think your opinion really matters as an offender. There might have been a poor showing from us on this policy (up to interpretation) but let me remind you that the worst showing is those who try to poach members from sovereign alliances. Poor showing from you and those who try to defend it. Oh yes, I went into your alliance list and decided to add those names myself because I thought my pre made list was a bit shallow. You caught me, I was obviously sending messages that were directed at the resista.......fool, those messages were obviously aimed towards the low nation strength, unaligned nation You attempted to grow a pair but in the process made yourselves look like complete buffoons. Trying to grow a pair: $50 Not realizing that no one cares enough to poach from your alliance: Priceless There's some things OWF can't buy, for everything else there's pointless threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Bad Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) Holy Admin who in the hell is running this train wreck. If your alliance is so pathetic that the only way it can save its members from leaving to alliances that are a) inexperienced at recruiting.b) not aware of alliance politics or affiliations. c) scanning our nations with some kind of program that accidently put our member on your list. is war, then you might as well disband now and save yourself the trouble. How fracking hard is it to just alert the alliance and conduct the very basics of diplomacy that were once standard fair on Planet Bob. If you alliance is unable to handle such basic diplomatic skills then get youself a protectorate with someone who can. They can also explain how coming out in public with such a poorly thought out policy not only ends up getting your alliance laughed at but, also can lead to very bad things. I am sure you have some wise allies out thier that can explain all this to you. Seriously someone help these guys out. Edited January 16, 2010 by The Big Bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emporor Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 No diplomacy = FAIL Recruiting from alliance = FAIL I don't think you guy are actually ignorant enough to follow through with this.. as its just a horrible political move, though its about time people are reminded that recruiting alligned nations is just a way to get rolled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londo Mollari Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Hey, diplomacy has its uses. For instance, diplomacy is an excellent solution for dealing with accidental recruiting messages. Threatening or prosecuting war over an accidental message is quite frankly right up there with GGA and Valhalla's "CB" on Hyperion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Hey, diplomacy has its uses. For instance, diplomacy is an excellent solution for dealing with accidental recruiting messages. Threatening or prosecuting war over an accidental message is quite frankly right up there with GGA and Valhalla's "CB" on Hyperion. Hahahaha, that's rich. Good luck on the policy tR, hopefully it doesn't blow up in your face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zizka Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I feel like we're going to be seeing the 1% being used quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 That is a treaty which does not protect you if you start a war. LOL. Jesus Christ I miss you. On the subject of diplomacy: Don't follow the footsteps of those who began the Blue Balls war. Use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattski133 Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I have modified my OP. Whether through threats from enemies, disapproval from people I don't know, or joking from friends, it was made clear to me that I posted a horrible OP. What was an internal issue should have remained so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreddieMercury Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I have modified my OP. Whether through threats from enemies, disapproval from people I don't know, or joking from friends, it was made clear to me that I posted a horrible OP.What was an internal issue should have remained so. Glad you finally see reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonOfHoward Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Brilliant knee jerk reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Janova Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Jesus Christ I miss you. I miss Jack Christ ... But there's no reason to miss me, I'm in your protector after all I have modified my OP. Whether through threats from enemies, disapproval from people I don't know, or joking from friends, it was made clear to me that I posted a horrible OP.What was an internal issue should have remained so. Making the best of a bad job. A good move, but next time you should have the discussion before you actually put a post on these forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The AUT Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 Hey, diplomacy has its uses. For instance, diplomacy is an excellent solution for dealing with accidental recruiting messages. Threatening or prosecuting war over an accidental message is quite frankly right up there with GGA and Valhalla's "CB" on Hyperion. Or the Athens 6 month belated CB on TPF. You know, more or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valtamdraugr Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 I have modified my OP. Whether through threats from enemies, disapproval from people I don't know, or joking from friends, it was made clear to me that I posted a horrible OP.What was an internal issue should have remained so. A mistake... understood. May fortune shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Bad Posted January 16, 2010 Report Share Posted January 16, 2010 (edited) I have modified my OP. Whether through threats from enemies, disapproval from people I don't know, or joking from friends, it was made clear to me that I posted a horrible OP.What was an internal issue should have remained so. Now thats the way to clean up a mess. Many alliances could learn a thing or two from you when in comes to admitting and fixing thier mistakes. Well done. Edited January 16, 2010 by The Big Bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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