Lord_MacNeill Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Alliances that have disbanded and then "reformed" really should not be included on this list. Well, not in the way that they are. You disbanded. You can't go around pretending that it never happened. Kind of ridiculous. Also, those alliances that end up disbanding have never been that great. Just my two cents. VE was never that great? Come on I don't think that you can say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) VE was never that great? Come on I don't think that you can say that. Well they did disband after one day of war instead of fighting for their cause. Edited January 9, 2010 by Bilrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) Well they did disband after one day of war instead of fighting for their cause. Look who is talking. You left your alliance after everyone realized you as a leader couldn't run it without having your allies fight your own battles. VE offered a 1v1 and YOU denied it. You're the leader whose allies fought your battles for you, I wouldn't go around degrading VE's reputation over issues which you find yourself in worser scenarios. Edited January 9, 2010 by Ejayrazz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Look who is talking. You left your alliance after everyone realized you as a leader couldn't run it without having your allies fight your own battles. VE offered a 1v1 and YOU denied it. You're the leader whose allies fought your battles for you, I wouldn't go around degrading VE's reputation over issues which you find yourself in worser scenarios. A 1v1 was never offered, but continue living in your dream world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Well they did disband after one day of war instead of fighting for their cause. Oh, and look at us now...jokes on you bud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Oh, and look at us now...jokes on you bud Not really, still the same "do-nothing" alliance as before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15pilotX Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Look who is talking. You left your alliance after everyone realized you as a leader couldn't run it without having your allies fight your own battles. VE offered a 1v1 and YOU denied it.And pray tell, what exactly is the logic in giving your enemy a better chance of winning? I understand what you're saying, but that's not a very good analogy for your point, regardless of whether it actually happened or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 A 1v1 was never offered, but continue living in your dream world. I cannot speak to the validity of your claim, though everyone knows that you would not have accepted it were it offered, but continue living in your dream world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 A 1v1 was never offered, but continue living in your dream world. Egore mentioned it which you purposely ignored. Not my dream world, but keep living in yours. Maybe one day you'll lead an alliance which actually becomes something other than a farm with a leader who needs big boys to fight his battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 I cannot speak to the validity of your claim, though everyone knows that you would not have accepted it were it offered, but continue living in your dream world. That's not the point of whether I would accept it or not. The fact it was never offered is what I am contending. Egore mentioned it which you purposely ignored. Not my dream world, but keep living in yours. Maybe one day you'll lead an alliance which actually becomes something other than a farm with a leader who needs big boys to fight his battles. Egore wasn't even around then, Ardus was the leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) That's not the point of whether I would accept it or not. Thank you for this confirmation. Edited January 9, 2010 by Farnsworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooner Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Well they did disband after one day of war instead of fighting for their cause. Dear Slick Willie, We wanted to fight but we were told by GGA and NPO that we would never get peace nor allowed to exist. When it became known by NPO that we were disbanding, NPO backpedalled into allowing us exist on the PINK sphere only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) Not really, still the same "do-nothing" alliance as before. Not really, and never was before. Quite ironic you would try to say anything about that time period givin the current status and size of your former alliance (no disrespect to our fellow UJA signtory intended) compared with that of Viridia, who is bigger and better then we have ever been. If you think for a minute that the stunt you pulled back then accomplished anything then you are sorely mistaken. If you think our success and growth a just a short few months later after "disbanding" was a coincidence you are sorely mistaken. The only thing that your little escapade did in the long run was show your true colors, put a short intermission on our growth, and harden our core community. I don't like the term "disband", I prefer to think of it as refusing to play your little game and leave colors, and just playing you in the long run instead. Edited January 9, 2010 by Il Impero Romano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooner Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 That's not the point of whether I would accept it or not. The fact it was never offered is what I am contending.Egore wasn't even around then, Ardus was the leader. Egore was actually around then, he was acting as an advisor to the alliance as RL was taking up his time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejayrazz Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 And pray tell, what exactly is the logic in giving your enemy a better chance of winning? I understand what you're saying, but that's not a very good analogy for your point, regardless of whether it actually happened or not. Aye, point acknowledged, it's the point of him speaking of a sovereign alliance's honor -- him of all people has no right to speak. However, you are correct in this regard and therefore I wont allow stupidity to engulf common sense and argue for the sake of arguing. The point was he question's one honor when he NEEDED his allies to do the things he did, but never would admit to it. Honestly, he is in the same category as NoWedge in my book. Bilrow: Egore wasn't completely gone, I believe Ardus could confirm the offer because I actively supported it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Not really, and never was before. Quite ironic you would try to say anything about that time period givin the current status and size of your former alliance (no disrespect to our fellow UJA signtory intended) compared with that of Viridia, who is bigger and better then we have ever been. If you think for a minute that the stunt you pulled back then accomplished anything then you are sorely mistaken. If you think our success and growth a just a short few months later after "disbanding" was a coincidence you are sorely mistaken. The only thing that your little escapade did in the long run was show your true colors, put a short intermission on our growth, and harden our core community. I don't like the term "disband", I prefer to think of it as refusing to play your little game and leave colors, and just playing you in the long run instead. In short, you didn't have the fortitude to stand up for your beliefs and fight for what you believe, so choose the easy way out. We know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Aye, point acknowledged, it's the point of him speaking of a sovereign alliance's honor -- him of all people has no right to speak. However, you are correct in this regard and therefore I wont allow stupidity to engulf common sense and argue for the sake of arguing. The point was he question's one honor when he NEEDED his allies to do the things he did, but never would admit to it. Honestly, he is in the same category as NoWedge in my book. Bilrow: Egore wasn't completely gone, I believe Ardus could confirm the offer because I actively supported it. It was never offered to me or any other of GGA leadership. Kind of hard to accept or deny an offer if it was never extended. I know I am good, but I am not God to read minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooner Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 In short, you didn't have the fortitude to stand up for your beliefs and fight for what you believe, so choose the easy way out. We know. Actually, you're wrong again, Slick Willie. We did choose to fight for our beliefs. We took them to other alliances and spread our message and ideals. We chose that avenue because it would have made it impossible for you to hurt any of us, either IC or OOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Actually, you're wrong again, Slick Willie.We did choose to fight for our beliefs. We took them to other alliances and spread our message and ideals. We chose that avenue because it would have made it impossible for you to hurt any of us, either IC or OOC. That's why ya'll are all swarming this thread like someone poured gasoline on it. Sore spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooner Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Well if you really wanted to know our great motivator.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 In short, you didn't have the fortitude to stand up for your beliefs and fight for what you believe, so choose the easy way out. We know. Well now that's clearly not a response to what I said at all, nor is it anything close to an accurate summary of what I said, is it? While I try not to reply to off topic comments made strictly to antagonize and nothing else, I have to ask out of sheer morbid curiosity...who is this "we" you speak of when you said "we know"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farnsworth Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) Three accusations from Bilrow: 1. Disband 2. Willingness to fight 3. Do-nothing alliance 1. Yes, we clearly disbanded, though it was very brief. Many in Viridia did not want to disband at the time and still today wish we had not, but we will not deny it happened. 2. Questioning our willingness to fight is a bit tricky. You can base your opinion strictly of the disbandment - which seems to be your method of choice - or you can look at a broader, more holistic view of our history and judge whether or not revenge has taken place. 3. Do-nothing, eh? This scarcely requires rebuttal, but I suppose I could indulge you by reminding you of the time we defended our allies in Ordo Verde. edit: syntax Edited January 9, 2010 by Farnsworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooner Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 You make us belly laugh, Slick Willie. You posting makes as laugh at you. You failing to eradicate us makes us laugh at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aineshane Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) That's why ya'll are all swarming this thread like someone poured gasoline on it. Sore spot? You sir, give yourself too much credit. Looking at a long term strategy with short term eyesight will normally result in views such as yours Slick willy Edit: Wording Edited January 9, 2010 by aineshane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilrow Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 You sir, give yourself too much credit.Looking at a long term strategy with short term eyesight will normally result in views such as yours Slick willy Edit: Wording And yet, you keep proving me right. VE's date on this list should be one of their reformation, since it's misleading to new players of the game to use the initial starting date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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