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As most of you know, I have been logdumped a few times. I am an easy target since I will have a conversation with anyone that queries me and will give my opinion on any individual or alliance out there with brutal honesty. I was also always an easy target because I never used to log anything. You see, I always hated logdumps. I thought they were pretty low and that private conversations should stay private.

Recently, my stance has softened a somewhat and I have decided that logdumping sometimes is a necessary evil. More importantly I have learned to save and log every ... single ... word.

Supposedly there are logs floating around in regard to my feelings about the current conflict. These logs have been circulated by alliances not yet directly involved in the conflict in an attempt to rally support and to denounce myself and RoK's reason for attacking TPF. Unfortunately, the logs are 150% fake. Remember how I said I saved every word?

The logs being circulated:

[19:19:54] VanHooIII[RoK]But IRON, CDT, and TPF are from a different era ... an era of NPO rule that theymiss

[19:20:09] VanHooIII[RoK]They are a group of toadies who gained power by sucking up to the NPO

[19:20:21] VanHooIII[RoK]With the NPO gone, they are suffering for past sins

[19:20:33] VanHooIII[RoK]And have no learned that this is a new world and their ways no longer fly

[19:20:59] VanHooIII[RoK]not*

[19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game

The actual logs in their entirety:

Session Start: Sun Dec 27 17:22:19 2009

Session Ident: Warbuck[ADI]

[17:22] Session Ident: Warbuck[ADI] (Coldfront, VanHooIII[RoK]) (IP REMOVED)

[17:22] <Warbuck[ADI]> doesn't it get dull though to always have the same enemies?

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10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] IP REMOVED* Lord High Sentinel

10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] is a registered nick

10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] on %#rok #Blinging13 +#cnNATO %#invicta %#cnfear #mha CoG_ADI ~#ADI ~#Warbuck_palace

10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] using frozen.coldfront.net Welcome to Coldfront!

10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] has been idle 0secs, signed on Sat Dec 26 17:58:26

10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] End of /WHOIS list.

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11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> They change over time

11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> and yeah, sometimes you befriend enemies

11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We hated Polar for over a year and vice versa

11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> now we're allies

11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> But IRON, CDT, and TPF are from a different era ... an era of NPO rule that they miss

11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> They are a group of toadies who gained power by sucking up to the NPO

11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> With the NPO gone, they are suffering for past sins

11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> And have no learned that this is a new world and their ways no longer fly

11[17:25] <VanHooIII[RoK]> not*

[17:28] <Warbuck[ADI]> Well, anytime I wonder if I've done the right thing, I just watch this- cuz there is no way I could mess up worse than this guy-

11[17:28] <VanHooIII[RoK]> lol

Session Close: Sun Dec 27 17:33:07 2009

As you can see, while my opinion of some alliances are low, I never once state that I wanted anyone to "leave the game". Someone took it upon themselves to add that last little line. As the logs reflect, this conversation was between myself and Warbuck of ADI. So, I decided to contact him since the information either came from him directly or from someone he shared it with. My hope was that he'd also post his logs to reinforce mine. Warbuck has repeatedly asked what he can do to make up for the mistakes from his last venture to the OWF, and I figured this would help ADI/RoK relations as well as clear our name.

The logs of that conversation:

Session Start: Thu Dec 31 00:10:44 2009

Session Ident: Warbuck[ADI]

11[00:11] <Hoo[AWAY]> You shared our private queries with people and they have now altered and faked them to try to make me look bad and gain them support for war on their side

11[00:11] <Hoo[AWAY]> It will go a long ways towards redeeming yourself in the eyes of RoK if you post when I make my post with the truth

11[00:12] <Hoo[AWAY]> I'm posting the real logs of our convo with the fakes

11[00:12] <Hoo[AWAY]> I need you to do the same

11[00:14] <Hoo[AWAY]> Also, I told Marcus to stay away from you

[00:14] <Warbuck[ADI]> can I see these fake logs before you post them?

11[00:14] <Hoo[AWAY]> Yes

11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> Fakes:

11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:19:54] VanHooIII[RoK]But IRON, CDT, and TPF are from a different era ... an era of NPO rule that theymiss

11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:20:09] VanHooIII[RoK]They are a group of toadies who gained power by sucking up to the NPO

11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:20:21] VanHooIII[RoK]With the NPO gone, they are suffering for past sins

11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:20:33] VanHooIII[RoK]And have no learned that this is a new world and their ways no longer fly

11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:20:59] VanHooIII[RoK]not*

11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> Real:

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> They change over time

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> and yeah, sometimes you befriend enemies

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We hated Polar for over a year and vice versa

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> now we're allies

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> But IRON, CDT, and TPF are from a different era ... an era of NPO rule that they miss

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> They are a group of toadies who gained power by sucking up to the NPO

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> With the NPO gone, they are suffering for past sins

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> And have no learned that this is a new world and their ways no longer fly

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:25] <VanHooIII[RoK]> not*

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> [17:28] <Warbuck[ADI]> Well, anytime I wonder if I've done the right thing, I just watch this- cuz there is no way I could mess up worse than this guy-

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:28] <VanHooIII[RoK]> lol

11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> Session Close: Sun Dec 27 17:33:07 2009

11[00:17] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game <--- this was added

[00:20] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:11:55] <Hoo[AWAY]> [17:28] <Warbuck[ADI]> Well, anytime I wonder if I've done the right thing, I just watch this- cuz there is no way I could mess up worse than this guy-

[00:20] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:11:57] <Hoo[AWAY]> [17:28] <VanHooIII[RoK]> lol

[00:20] <Warbuck[ADI]> what does that have to do with it?

11[00:20] <Hoo[AWAY]> It's what actually came next

11[00:20] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game <--- and not this

[00:24] <Warbuck[ADI]> I'm looking at my log now... $%&@er gives me every conversation I ever had with you, so give me time to find it

11[00:24] <Hoo[AWAY]> OK, it's from the 27th and they should be dated

11[00:24] <Hoo[AWAY]> I can wait

[00:28] <Warbuck[ADI]> My log shows it, so either someone hacked me or it got deleted out of yours.

11[00:29] <Hoo[AWAY]> Shows it how?

[00:29] <Warbuck[ADI]> what other logs were faked?

11[00:29] <Hoo[AWAY]> That's the only one that I know of

[00:29] <Warbuck[ADI]> When I go to tools

[00:29] <Warbuck[ADI]> then log files

[00:29] <Warbuck[ADI]> then I find VanHooIII

[00:30] <Warbuck[ADI]> well, VanHooIII[RoK]

[00:30] <Warbuck[ADI]> it opens up a .txt file

[00:30] <Warbuck[ADI]> that has convos from here to forever ago

11[00:30] <Hoo[AWAY]> Yes

11[00:30] <Hoo[AWAY]> And on 12/27 we had that one

[00:31] <Warbuck[ADI]> with as many queries as I get

[00:31] <Warbuck[ADI]> I often go back to review that I don't miss things

[00:31] <Warbuck[ADI]> that slip my min or whatever

[00:31] <Warbuck[ADI]> err mind

[00:31] <Warbuck[ADI]> not min

11[00:31] <Hoo[AWAY]> Yeah?

[00:32] <Warbuck[ADI]> I'll unban you from #ADI- talk to ss23 and see if people can hack the .txt file

11[00:32] <Hoo[AWAY]> Warbuck[ADI], no ... if it shows that way in your logs then YOU had to have changed it

11[00:32] <Hoo[AWAY]> You can't hack it

11[00:33] <Hoo[AWAY]> Is it altered or just not there?

[00:33] <Warbuck[ADI]> it's in my log... and I don't know enough about IRC to be able to open my log file and have something be in there magically that wasn't before

[00:34] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:04] <~Warbuck[ADI]> you are an IRC admin on another server, right?

[00:34] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:24] <&ss23[ADI]> Was, I quit

[00:34] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:28] <&ss23[ADI]> I was "the" admin

[00:35] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:31] <~Warbuck[ADI]> can people hack your log files?

[00:35] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:48] <&ss23[ADI]> that's not really a IRC related question

[00:35] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:53] <&ss23[ADI]> The short answer is yes...

[00:35] <Warbuck[ADI]> so, either it was there to begin with or it was placed there

[00:35] <Warbuck[ADI]> either way, I'm going to have my IT friends redo the security on my computer now

11[00:39] <Hoo[AWAY]> No one snuck into your computer and altered that log, man

[00:39] <Warbuck[ADI]> I sure as $%&@ didn't, lol

11[00:39] <Hoo[AWAY]> What you're telling me is that the fake log is IN your logs?

[00:39] <Warbuck[ADI]> IF it is fake

11[00:40] <Hoo[AWAY]> You know damn well it's fake

11[00:40] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game <--- I've said THIS?

[00:40] <Warbuck[ADI]> during your whole spiel you were giving on the evilness of CDT, IRON, etc etc

[00:41] <Warbuck[ADI]> when I looked back at the screen an hr later, it was there

11[00:41] <Hoo[AWAY]> No Warbuck[ADI], I never said anything close to that

[00:41] <Warbuck[ADI]> you notice it was 2 hrs before I responded after that

11[00:42] <Hoo[AWAY]> No, it was three minutes

11[00:42] <Hoo[AWAY]> I closed it two hours later

[00:43] <Warbuck[ADI]> [19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game

[00:43] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:11:47] <Hoo[AWAY]> Real:

[00:43] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:11:49] <Hoo[AWAY]> [17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> They change over time

[00:43] <Warbuck[ADI]> oh, I'm a dumb !@#$ now

[00:44] <Warbuck[ADI]> you are in a different time zone

11[00:44] <Hoo[AWAY]> They are two separate logs ... when I say "Real" I am starting another

[00:45] <Warbuck[ADI]> idk... that was the one line that made me change my mind, tbh... and it was there.

11[00:45] <Hoo[AWAY]> No Warbuck[ADI], it wasn't

07[00:45] * Warbuck[ADI] sighs

11[00:46] <Hoo[AWAY]> Funny, you suddenly recall it "always being there" but when I posted it you didn't know what it was and had to go check ...

[00:47] <Warbuck[ADI]> dude... I've had 2 hrs of sleep the past 2 days and there were a LOT of !@#$@#$ logs

[00:48] <Warbuck[ADI]> now, I can screen shot the log

[00:48] <Warbuck[ADI]> but it shows up as a .txt file

[00:48] <Warbuck[ADI]> so you'll still accuse me of lying

11[00:48] <Hoo[AWAY]> Why would I want you to screenshot your faked log?

[00:49] <Warbuck[ADI]> you cannot fake it inside the tools log files

[00:49] <Warbuck[ADI]> so yeah- only way it would change is if someone put it there

11[00:50] <Hoo[AWAY]> Actually, yes you can

11[00:50] <Hoo[AWAY]> But that's ok

[00:50] <Warbuck[ADI]> I don't even remember how to register a nick most of the time

[00:50] <Warbuck[ADI]> and you think I am proficient enough in IRC to do that?

11[00:50] <Hoo[AWAY]> But you know you "can't fake a log inside the tool log file"?

[00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> ss23 knows

[00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> I tried to get you to talk to him

[00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> he is the IRC expert

[00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> I'm not

[00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> so if you did not type it

[00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> then I don't know who did

11[00:52] <Hoo[AWAY]> Warbuck[ADI], if you faked these because you were mad and didn't realize how much trouble it would cause ... you can tell me

[00:54] <Warbuck[ADI]> I REALLY need to take beer off my highlight list

[00:54] <Warbuck[ADI]> holy !@#$ it is annoying

[00:54] <Warbuck[ADI]> sorry

[00:56] <Warbuck[ADI]> What are you trying to accomplish here Hoo? I mean, Famzy told me you want nothing to do with us again.

[00:56] <Warbuck[ADI]> is this the "fake log" angle or something?

11[00:56] <Hoo[AWAY]> No angle, Warbuck[ADI] ... just trying to clear the fake logs and asked for your help

11[00:56] <Hoo[AWAY]> It's not about ADI and RoK

[00:56] <Warbuck[ADI]> What's it about?

11[00:57] <Hoo[AWAY]> Fake logs being spread

11[00:58] <Hoo[AWAY]> If someone spread fake logs around about you, you'd want the truth to come out

[01:06] <Warbuck[ADI]> I would want the truth to come out, yeah

11[01:06] <Hoo[AWAY]> Well, that's what I'm doing

You can, as usual, draw your own conclusions from that conversation.

Whoever faked these logs should be ashamed for stooping so low. Those who bought into them without even looking into the authenticy of them, you should be doubly ashamed ... especially allies of RoK who failed even to contact us in regard to them.

Update:

So, are you suggesting then that there's information yet to be released that will enlighten us on this subject? If that's the case I would release it sooner rather than later, or else the opposing opinions will just get louder and more believable.
Warbuck approached us and wanted to know how he could fix this and improve his relationship with Ragnarok. He spoke to a few of our members in private and they advised him that it would go a long way in our eyes if he'd admit to what he knows and stop lying about it. He agreed to do so and then had me brought into the channel. We ironed everything out in regard to past miscommunication and I told him we can re-new our treaty if he just comes clean about his dishonesty. He agreed to do so in public several days ago.

Warbuck maintains that he himself did not fake the logs, but that he knew they were edited. He admitted that he did not bother to check them when I approached him due to his anger with me personally. He has since continued to tell his alliance that he told the truth and that the logs are indeed real.

Since Warbuck never went public, I have no choice but to do so for him and end this.

Screenshots of our conversations:

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs5.jpg <--- admission that the logs are fake.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs6.jpg <--- further admission and showing us the rough draft of his future OWF post.

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs7.jpg <--- full disclosure.

Thank you.

Van Hoo III

Emperor of Ragnarok

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I have to applaud whoever came up with this, Hoo's a believable target for a log dump given the two in the past. The flaw was thinking it wouldn't get back to him, and that he wouldn't recognize that it sounded nothing like him. Whoever did this is an amateur that lacks a substantial amount of foresight. I'd be mad, but really, I'm just disappointed.

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It's interesting to note, but Warbuck is two hours ahead of Hoo timezone-wise (I just noticed):

[00:34] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:04] <~Warbuck[ADI]> you are an IRC admin on another server, right?

[00:34] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:24] <&ss23[ADI]> Was, I quit

And the fakes are also two hours ahead of VH's - which means it was definitely War's set that was tampered with. If Warbuck didn't do the creative editing, I'm rather curious who he gave them to that did.

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So is your word against his?

Well obviously you would try to defend yourself, so this really means little. Really, you can't disprove him, he can't disprove you, so threads like these only accomplish saying "this is my story, believe me!".

I wish I had the 5 minutes back that I spent reading this thread.

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So is your word against his?

Well obviously you would try to defend yourself, so this really means little. Really, you can't disprove him, he can't disprove you, so threads like these only accomplish saying "this is my story, believe me!".

I wish I had the 5 minutes back that I spent reading this thread.

And the minute it took for you to post in it? ;)

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Anyone who would like to look at my computer in person can see that the logs are intact, and that the line is there. I was merely making a point- unless someone hacked me- then the logs are correct. Now who on earth would hack me to put a lousy line in a log?

This is a nice move- claiming that incriminating logs are fake. Unfortunately, the line that is supposedly "fake" IS there, and it finishes your thought there when you are calling NPO, and IRON, CDT, etc toadies that deserve their wrath.

But I suppose you just want more drama.

*sighs*

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