Van Hoo III Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) Ragnarok As most of you know, I have been logdumped a few times. I am an easy target since I will have a conversation with anyone that queries me and will give my opinion on any individual or alliance out there with brutal honesty. I was also always an easy target because I never used to log anything. You see, I always hated logdumps. I thought they were pretty low and that private conversations should stay private. Recently, my stance has softened a somewhat and I have decided that logdumping sometimes is a necessary evil. More importantly I have learned to save and log every ... single ... word. Supposedly there are logs floating around in regard to my feelings about the current conflict. These logs have been circulated by alliances not yet directly involved in the conflict in an attempt to rally support and to denounce myself and RoK's reason for attacking TPF. Unfortunately, the logs are 150% fake. Remember how I said I saved every word? The logs being circulated: [19:19:54] VanHooIII[RoK]But IRON, CDT, and TPF are from a different era ... an era of NPO rule that theymiss[19:20:09] VanHooIII[RoK]They are a group of toadies who gained power by sucking up to the NPO [19:20:21] VanHooIII[RoK]With the NPO gone, they are suffering for past sins [19:20:33] VanHooIII[RoK]And have no learned that this is a new world and their ways no longer fly [19:20:59] VanHooIII[RoK]not* [19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game The actual logs in their entirety: Session Start: Sun Dec 27 17:22:19 2009Session Ident: Warbuck[ADI] [17:22] Session Ident: Warbuck[ADI] (Coldfront, VanHooIII[RoK]) (IP REMOVED) [17:22] <Warbuck[ADI]> doesn't it get dull though to always have the same enemies? - 10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] IP REMOVED* Lord High Sentinel 10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] is a registered nick 10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] on %#rok #Blinging13 +#cnNATO %#invicta %#cnfear #mha CoG_ADI ~#ADI ~#Warbuck_palace 10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] using frozen.coldfront.net Welcome to Coldfront! 10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] has been idle 0secs, signed on Sat Dec 26 17:58:26 10[17:22] Warbuck[ADI] End of /WHOIS list. - 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> They change over time 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> and yeah, sometimes you befriend enemies 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We hated Polar for over a year and vice versa 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> now we're allies 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> But IRON, CDT, and TPF are from a different era ... an era of NPO rule that they miss 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> They are a group of toadies who gained power by sucking up to the NPO 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> With the NPO gone, they are suffering for past sins 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> And have no learned that this is a new world and their ways no longer fly 11[17:25] <VanHooIII[RoK]> not* [17:28] <Warbuck[ADI]> Well, anytime I wonder if I've done the right thing, I just watch this- cuz there is no way I could mess up worse than this guy- 11[17:28] <VanHooIII[RoK]> lol Session Close: Sun Dec 27 17:33:07 2009 As you can see, while my opinion of some alliances are low, I never once state that I wanted anyone to "leave the game". Someone took it upon themselves to add that last little line. As the logs reflect, this conversation was between myself and Warbuck of ADI. So, I decided to contact him since the information either came from him directly or from someone he shared it with. My hope was that he'd also post his logs to reinforce mine. Warbuck has repeatedly asked what he can do to make up for the mistakes from his last venture to the OWF, and I figured this would help ADI/RoK relations as well as clear our name. The logs of that conversation: Session Start: Thu Dec 31 00:10:44 2009Session Ident: Warbuck[ADI] 11[00:11] <Hoo[AWAY]> You shared our private queries with people and they have now altered and faked them to try to make me look bad and gain them support for war on their side 11[00:11] <Hoo[AWAY]> It will go a long ways towards redeeming yourself in the eyes of RoK if you post when I make my post with the truth 11[00:12] <Hoo[AWAY]> I'm posting the real logs of our convo with the fakes 11[00:12] <Hoo[AWAY]> I need you to do the same 11[00:14] <Hoo[AWAY]> Also, I told Marcus to stay away from you [00:14] <Warbuck[ADI]> can I see these fake logs before you post them? 11[00:14] <Hoo[AWAY]> Yes 11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> Fakes: 11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:19:54] VanHooIII[RoK]But IRON, CDT, and TPF are from a different era ... an era of NPO rule that theymiss 11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:20:09] VanHooIII[RoK]They are a group of toadies who gained power by sucking up to the NPO 11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:20:21] VanHooIII[RoK]With the NPO gone, they are suffering for past sins 11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:20:33] VanHooIII[RoK]And have no learned that this is a new world and their ways no longer fly 11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:20:59] VanHooIII[RoK]not* 11[00:15] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> Real: 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> They change over time 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> and yeah, sometimes you befriend enemies 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> We hated Polar for over a year and vice versa 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> now we're allies 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> But IRON, CDT, and TPF are from a different era ... an era of NPO rule that they miss 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> They are a group of toadies who gained power by sucking up to the NPO 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> With the NPO gone, they are suffering for past sins 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:24] <VanHooIII[RoK]> And have no learned that this is a new world and their ways no longer fly 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:25] <VanHooIII[RoK]> not* 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> [17:28] <Warbuck[ADI]> Well, anytime I wonder if I've done the right thing, I just watch this- cuz there is no way I could mess up worse than this guy- 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> 11[17:28] <VanHooIII[RoK]> lol 11[00:16] <Hoo[AWAY]> Session Close: Sun Dec 27 17:33:07 2009 11[00:17] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game <--- this was added [00:20] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:11:55] <Hoo[AWAY]> [17:28] <Warbuck[ADI]> Well, anytime I wonder if I've done the right thing, I just watch this- cuz there is no way I could mess up worse than this guy- [00:20] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:11:57] <Hoo[AWAY]> [17:28] <VanHooIII[RoK]> lol [00:20] <Warbuck[ADI]> what does that have to do with it? 11[00:20] <Hoo[AWAY]> It's what actually came next 11[00:20] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game <--- and not this [00:24] <Warbuck[ADI]> I'm looking at my log now... $%&@er gives me every conversation I ever had with you, so give me time to find it 11[00:24] <Hoo[AWAY]> OK, it's from the 27th and they should be dated 11[00:24] <Hoo[AWAY]> I can wait [00:28] <Warbuck[ADI]> My log shows it, so either someone hacked me or it got deleted out of yours. 11[00:29] <Hoo[AWAY]> Shows it how? [00:29] <Warbuck[ADI]> what other logs were faked? 11[00:29] <Hoo[AWAY]> That's the only one that I know of [00:29] <Warbuck[ADI]> When I go to tools [00:29] <Warbuck[ADI]> then log files [00:29] <Warbuck[ADI]> then I find VanHooIII [00:30] <Warbuck[ADI]> well, VanHooIII[RoK] [00:30] <Warbuck[ADI]> it opens up a .txt file [00:30] <Warbuck[ADI]> that has convos from here to forever ago 11[00:30] <Hoo[AWAY]> Yes 11[00:30] <Hoo[AWAY]> And on 12/27 we had that one [00:31] <Warbuck[ADI]> with as many queries as I get [00:31] <Warbuck[ADI]> I often go back to review that I don't miss things [00:31] <Warbuck[ADI]> that slip my min or whatever [00:31] <Warbuck[ADI]> err mind [00:31] <Warbuck[ADI]> not min 11[00:31] <Hoo[AWAY]> Yeah? [00:32] <Warbuck[ADI]> I'll unban you from #ADI- talk to ss23 and see if people can hack the .txt file 11[00:32] <Hoo[AWAY]> Warbuck[ADI], no ... if it shows that way in your logs then YOU had to have changed it 11[00:32] <Hoo[AWAY]> You can't hack it 11[00:33] <Hoo[AWAY]> Is it altered or just not there? [00:33] <Warbuck[ADI]> it's in my log... and I don't know enough about IRC to be able to open my log file and have something be in there magically that wasn't before [00:34] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:04] <~Warbuck[ADI]> you are an IRC admin on another server, right? [00:34] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:24] <&ss23[ADI]> Was, I quit [00:34] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:28] <&ss23[ADI]> I was "the" admin [00:35] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:31] <~Warbuck[ADI]> can people hack your log files? [00:35] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:48] <&ss23[ADI]> that's not really a IRC related question [00:35] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:53] <&ss23[ADI]> The short answer is yes... [00:35] <Warbuck[ADI]> so, either it was there to begin with or it was placed there [00:35] <Warbuck[ADI]> either way, I'm going to have my IT friends redo the security on my computer now 11[00:39] <Hoo[AWAY]> No one snuck into your computer and altered that log, man [00:39] <Warbuck[ADI]> I sure as $%&@ didn't, lol 11[00:39] <Hoo[AWAY]> What you're telling me is that the fake log is IN your logs? [00:39] <Warbuck[ADI]> IF it is fake 11[00:40] <Hoo[AWAY]> You know damn well it's fake 11[00:40] <Hoo[AWAY]> [19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game <--- I've said THIS? [00:40] <Warbuck[ADI]> during your whole spiel you were giving on the evilness of CDT, IRON, etc etc [00:41] <Warbuck[ADI]> when I looked back at the screen an hr later, it was there 11[00:41] <Hoo[AWAY]> No Warbuck[ADI], I never said anything close to that [00:41] <Warbuck[ADI]> you notice it was 2 hrs before I responded after that 11[00:42] <Hoo[AWAY]> No, it was three minutes 11[00:42] <Hoo[AWAY]> I closed it two hours later [00:43] <Warbuck[ADI]> [19:21:38] VanHooIII[RoK] and they need to leave the game [00:43] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:11:47] <Hoo[AWAY]> Real: [00:43] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:11:49] <Hoo[AWAY]> [17:23] <VanHooIII[RoK]> They change over time [00:43] <Warbuck[ADI]> oh, I'm a dumb !@#$ now [00:44] <Warbuck[ADI]> you are in a different time zone 11[00:44] <Hoo[AWAY]> They are two separate logs ... when I say "Real" I am starting another [00:45] <Warbuck[ADI]> idk... that was the one line that made me change my mind, tbh... and it was there. 11[00:45] <Hoo[AWAY]> No Warbuck[ADI], it wasn't 07[00:45] * Warbuck[ADI] sighs 11[00:46] <Hoo[AWAY]> Funny, you suddenly recall it "always being there" but when I posted it you didn't know what it was and had to go check ... [00:47] <Warbuck[ADI]> dude... I've had 2 hrs of sleep the past 2 days and there were a LOT of !@#$@#$ logs [00:48] <Warbuck[ADI]> now, I can screen shot the log [00:48] <Warbuck[ADI]> but it shows up as a .txt file [00:48] <Warbuck[ADI]> so you'll still accuse me of lying 11[00:48] <Hoo[AWAY]> Why would I want you to screenshot your faked log? [00:49] <Warbuck[ADI]> you cannot fake it inside the tools log files [00:49] <Warbuck[ADI]> so yeah- only way it would change is if someone put it there 11[00:50] <Hoo[AWAY]> Actually, yes you can 11[00:50] <Hoo[AWAY]> But that's ok [00:50] <Warbuck[ADI]> I don't even remember how to register a nick most of the time [00:50] <Warbuck[ADI]> and you think I am proficient enough in IRC to do that? 11[00:50] <Hoo[AWAY]> But you know you "can't fake a log inside the tool log file"? [00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> ss23 knows [00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> I tried to get you to talk to him [00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> he is the IRC expert [00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> I'm not [00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> so if you did not type it [00:51] <Warbuck[ADI]> then I don't know who did 11[00:52] <Hoo[AWAY]> Warbuck[ADI], if you faked these because you were mad and didn't realize how much trouble it would cause ... you can tell me [00:54] <Warbuck[ADI]> I REALLY need to take beer off my highlight list [00:54] <Warbuck[ADI]> holy !@#$ it is annoying [00:54] <Warbuck[ADI]> sorry [00:56] <Warbuck[ADI]> What are you trying to accomplish here Hoo? I mean, Famzy told me you want nothing to do with us again. [00:56] <Warbuck[ADI]> is this the "fake log" angle or something? 11[00:56] <Hoo[AWAY]> No angle, Warbuck[ADI] ... just trying to clear the fake logs and asked for your help 11[00:56] <Hoo[AWAY]> It's not about ADI and RoK [00:56] <Warbuck[ADI]> What's it about? 11[00:57] <Hoo[AWAY]> Fake logs being spread 11[00:58] <Hoo[AWAY]> If someone spread fake logs around about you, you'd want the truth to come out [01:06] <Warbuck[ADI]> I would want the truth to come out, yeah 11[01:06] <Hoo[AWAY]> Well, that's what I'm doing You can, as usual, draw your own conclusions from that conversation. Whoever faked these logs should be ashamed for stooping so low. Those who bought into them without even looking into the authenticy of them, you should be doubly ashamed ... especially allies of RoK who failed even to contact us in regard to them. Update: So, are you suggesting then that there's information yet to be released that will enlighten us on this subject? If that's the case I would release it sooner rather than later, or else the opposing opinions will just get louder and more believable. Warbuck approached us and wanted to know how he could fix this and improve his relationship with Ragnarok. He spoke to a few of our members in private and they advised him that it would go a long way in our eyes if he'd admit to what he knows and stop lying about it. He agreed to do so and then had me brought into the channel. We ironed everything out in regard to past miscommunication and I told him we can re-new our treaty if he just comes clean about his dishonesty. He agreed to do so in public several days ago.Warbuck maintains that he himself did not fake the logs, but that he knew they were edited. He admitted that he did not bother to check them when I approached him due to his anger with me personally. He has since continued to tell his alliance that he told the truth and that the logs are indeed real. Since Warbuck never went public, I have no choice but to do so for him and end this. Screenshots of our conversations: http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs5.jpg <--- admission that the logs are fake. http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs6.jpg <--- further admission and showing us the rough draft of his future OWF post. http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x213/Ka...arbucklogs7.jpg <--- full disclosure. Thank you. Van Hoo III Emperor of Ragnarok Edited January 4, 2010 by Van Hoo III Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptGodzilla Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 It's a shame what people will stoop to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Strike Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Hopefully people will learn to fake logs better next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 You guys turned Hoo into a person who posts logs, i hate you all. Also, doctoring logs = fail. Resorting to blatant lies for whatever, reason? Fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I have to applaud whoever came up with this, Hoo's a believable target for a log dump given the two in the past. The flaw was thinking it wouldn't get back to him, and that he wouldn't recognize that it sounded nothing like him. Whoever did this is an amateur that lacks a substantial amount of foresight. I'd be mad, but really, I'm just disappointed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperator Hades Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 This is getting out of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Interesting to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggarz Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Nemesis believes you Hoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Grimshaw Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Seriously, faking logs is just a really low thing to stoop to, especially when it's done badly. This smells of surreptitious desperation, or just plain ol' slanderous hatred. Whoever pulled this, That was NOT ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Sadly, given your historical tendency to lie about a number of issues, it's difficult to tell who's telling the truth on this one, and certainly you've shown disdain for the right of rulers to continue in this world in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kriekfreak Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Sorry, it was my little sister of four who altered those logs on my computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantastico Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Ah, so llittle daddy Warbucks is a manipulator after all. And to think I was trying to give him a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFish Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Once again, it seems that the facts have an unfair pro-SF bias. Can't blame Warbuck for trying to even things out a bit, can you? Well, actually, suppose we can, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 It's interesting to note, but Warbuck is two hours ahead of Hoo timezone-wise (I just noticed): [00:34] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:04] <~Warbuck[ADI]> you are an IRC admin on another server, right? [00:34] <Warbuck[ADI]> [02:29:24] <&ss23[ADI]> Was, I quit And the fakes are also two hours ahead of VH's - which means it was definitely War's set that was tampered with. If Warbuck didn't do the creative editing, I'm rather curious who he gave them to that did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epik High Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 I believe these are the full logs. http://!@#$%*.com/m679d346f Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael Nadal Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Faking logs is just a plain bad idea. Most people log their conversations I would assume, so really, the truth will eventually come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramirus Maximus Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Okay, I admit it. I hacked Coldfront and inserted that line into Warbuck's logs without him knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphosis Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Okay, I admit it. I hacked Coldfront and inserted that line into Warbuck's logs without him knowing. Everyone knows you can't edit .txt files Ramirus. Everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael Nadal Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) Okay, I admit it. I hacked Coldfront and inserted that line into Warbuck's logs without him knowing. Now now, kriekfriek already said his sister did the deed. Are you admitting you're kriekfriek's sister? Edited December 31, 2009 by Rafael Nadal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hoo III Posted December 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) I believe these are the full logs.http://!@#$%*.com/m679d346f LOL Sorry, I didn't catch it the first time. Edited December 31, 2009 by Van Hoo III Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerichoholic Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Suddenly using hash methods like GPG doesn't sound so silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memoryproblems Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 So is your word against his? Well obviously you would try to defend yourself, so this really means little. Really, you can't disprove him, he can't disprove you, so threads like these only accomplish saying "this is my story, believe me!". I wish I had the 5 minutes back that I spent reading this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van Hoo III Posted December 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 So is your word against his?Well obviously you would try to defend yourself, so this really means little. Really, you can't disprove him, he can't disprove you, so threads like these only accomplish saying "this is my story, believe me!". I wish I had the 5 minutes back that I spent reading this thread. And the minute it took for you to post in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tautology Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 It seems that mhawk's dirty tricks philosophy is infecting his "allies". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warbuck Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) Anyone who would like to look at my computer in person can see that the logs are intact, and that the line is there. I was merely making a point- unless someone hacked me- then the logs are correct. Now who on earth would hack me to put a lousy line in a log? This is a nice move- claiming that incriminating logs are fake. Unfortunately, the line that is supposedly "fake" IS there, and it finishes your thought there when you are calling NPO, and IRON, CDT, etc toadies that deserve their wrath. But I suppose you just want more drama. *sighs* Edited December 31, 2009 by John Warbuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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