AirMe Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) not taking part in Optional aggression. How dare they! It's optional for a reason Athens, pathetic excuse to cancel. So you are cool with your allies bolting to the other side with valuable intel? Just want to make sure you wouldn't cancel in that situation. Edited December 30, 2009 by AirMe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Ubet Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Good luck MASH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King William IV Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 So you are cool with your allies bolting to the other side with valuable intel? Just want to make sure you wouldn't cancel in that situation. Because they really just bolted for the other side by saying they weren't enacting the optional aggression part. By god M*A*S*H needs to be watched out for everyone, they are leaking secrets everywhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Conrad Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I do love how people love to jump to conclusions with a single, obviously bias post. The amount of information some people can apparently deduce from a single line astounds me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentkiller Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) So you are cool with your allies bolting to the other side with valuable intel? Just want to make sure you wouldn't cancel in that situation. well that is a completely different reason and if it did happen then yes this cancellation was well deserved. Although i do hope this is'nt one of those "reasonable assumptions" like what athens did with shurikan and TSI. and then apologised later when the harm was already done. Edited December 30, 2009 by silentkiller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) Because they really just bolted for the other side by saying they weren't enacting the optional aggression part. By god M*A*S*H needs to be watched out for everyone, they are leaking secrets everywhere! I appreciate the effort, but from what I am hearing it is more than just saying no to the oA. And if it was just the oA, shame on Athens. Edited December 30, 2009 by AirMe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisK Owns You Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Because they really just bolted for the other side by saying they weren't enacting the optional aggression part. By god M*A*S*H needs to be watched out for everyone, they are leaking secrets everywhere! Good thing you know nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedj Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 From the story i heard, this cancellation was warranted. Shame on you MASH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King William IV Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I appreciate the effort, but from what I am hearing it is more than just saying no to the oA. And if it was just the oA, shame on Athens. From what I have heard it was just the oA, so who is right remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jens of the desert Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I hope this decision will be in your favour Athens. Keep on keeping on etc and good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisK Owns You Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 From what I have heard it was just the oA, so who is right remains to be seen. It was not the oA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Reccesion Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 It was not the oA. Enlighten us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George the Great Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Yo.Keep in mind that I'm no longer government in M*A*S*H. This is all above my paygrade these days. Athens came to us about 2 hours before they went after TPF. Lotta lead time there. We didn't pick up the option of our Optional Agression pact. Athens tried spinning it as a 'defensive' war demanding our compliance. Although we didn't say yay or nay, some of us were wondering why Athens wasn't sharing what they were smoking. Then one of our Department Heads got into it with an Athens gov and Athens gave us notice. Racoon and I talked for a bit on IRC, but couldn't resolve our differences. Thus, this thread. Maybe you guys don't understand English. We came to you saying it was a defensive war against TPF aggression, yes, but we never asked you to enact the optional aggression clause. All we asked was that you be ready to enact the defensive clause if it came down to it. We told you, and every other Athenian ally late because we weren't going to hit the night that we hit, we were meaning to hit either the next day or the day after that. We invited you folks, as allies, into our discussion room and the invitation was accepted. You guys left without any objections, TPF mysteriously found out about our plans early and they then began moving into PM, so we acted quickly and decided to attack immediately to avoid letting any further nations slip into peace mode. The next day we saw you guys playing in #grudge, the naughty people room. D: So we took the 2 from the night before and added it to this new-found 2, we then discovered the number 4. Now, after some talking with your government, we've found our selves here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King William IV Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 It was not the oA. Yes great prophet tell me more. I got the M*A*S*H side of the story and they say it was just the oA. They said no on the oA athens argued it was for the MD and then there was heated debate. Meaning that in the end it was M*A*S*H saying no to the oA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eden Taylor Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Maybe you guys don't understand English. We came to you saying it was a defensive war against TPF aggression, yes, but we never asked you to enact the optional aggression clause. All we asked was that you be ready to enact the defensive clause if it came down to it. We told you, and every other Athenian ally late because we weren't going to hit the night that we hit, we were meaning to hit either the next day or the day after that. We invited you folks, as allies, into our discussion room and the invitation was accepted. You guys left without any objections, TPF mysteriously found out about our plans early and they then began moving into PM, so we acted quickly and decided to attack immediately to avoid letting any further nations slip into peace mode. The next day we saw you guys playing in #grudge, the naughty people room. D: So we took the 2 from the night before and added it to this new-found 2, we then discovered the number 4. Now, after some talking with your government, we've found our selves here. Too straightforward for the OWF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mongol-Swedes Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 ¡Viva M*A*S*H! Good going on ditching those Athenians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkEra97 Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 -snip- More what if's and assumptions coming from Athens, I'm shocked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energizer Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 It was not the oA. funny thing is, yeh it was. Athens wanted mash to assist in a curb stomp, mash said nou, athens threw a 8 yr old tantrum, and thus, the OP. Nice to know athens only sees a treaty as one way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentkiller Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) So is there any actual an proof of this allegation? Edited December 30, 2009 by silentkiller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 More what if's and assumptions coming from Athens, I'm shocked! Are you blind? I think he laid out a pretty good argument for canceling. As did the MASH member who posted in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alterego Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) Congrats MASH, these guys have lots lost the plot. thanks GE Edited December 30, 2009 by Alterego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angryraccoon Posted December 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 More what if's and assumptions coming from Athens, I'm shocked! MASH had given us word that they would defend us if we were attacked. CDBurns was invited into the room that was dedicated to our defense.He then took full logs of the discussion left and went to the planning room for TPF. After this and several discussions with Flockers where he told me that they would not defend us and instead protect Purple Unity from Pre-Emptive Strikes 0_o (and yes they told me that they took the logs and even showed me parts of them to prove it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Sci Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Regardless of if Athens canceled for a good reason or not, it changes nothing about the war. Congrats to both parties, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trace Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 So is there any actual an proof of this allegation? I don't believe MASH has denied that they were in the planning room with Athens, and then after having agreed to participate on the one side, decide to completely flip around and join the other side. As to whether they leaked info, I haven't heard solid proof, but when the decision to move up the timetable was made, the folks on TPF's end knew about it within 5 minutes, and the MASH rep was still in Athens' room. Again, this has nothing to do with MASH not actually honouring the oA, but saying that they would, then going and siding against Athens. If they had gone with neutrality from the start, I doubt Athens would have cared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythicknight Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 Smooth, MASH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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