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It looks like Roman Empire has moved to Blue Team. Ordo Paradoxia welcomes you here but I am bit concerned about an exchange I just had with a senior RE gov member who said they don't know if they will honor the no sanction policy on blue team. This policy is what has made blue team grow into the number 1 sphere and the best place for trades.

If RE does not honor the no sanction policy it will be my recommendation to the next OP GM that we exempt RE from the sanction free policy and open them up for sanctions themselves. If they renounce sanctioning any blue team members this round I will recommend we welcome them and maintain our present no sanction position.

You guys(RE) told me you were tired of being sanctioned on black so I suggested you come to blue team as it was and hopefully will remain a sphere of no sanctions. To come to Blue Sphere with the intention of using sanctions as weapons would be viewed as a provocative act and detrimental to blue team unity, in my opinion.

The only AA that sanctioned anyone on blue team last round was SOS brigade and OP was in strong opposition to this and unsanctioned the members we could.

I would appreciate a clarification by Tiberius or any senior RE gov as senate elections will start in just a few days.

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Do you need a topic for this? can't you just ask them yourself?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

I don't really believe anybody believes in 'team unity'. Just because LE and RE were on the same team didn't mean we were best buddies. (nothing against LE, I love you guys)

I also don't like the fact that OP walks in for one round and starts to believe they can regulate the policies of TE. I don't say that I hate you guys for that. It just seems like what you are doing right now sounds a lot like whining.

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It seems to me that this question and answer effects more alliances then just the OP and therefore is an appropriate question for the public to see just as the answer would be appropriate for the public to see. There are a number of alliances on Blue that might be curious about the answer.

This is not just about the OP, it is about the Blue Team.

That is the way I see it, but of course, I could be wrong. :rolleyes:

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It seems to me that this question and answer effects more alliances then just the OP and therefore is an appropriate question for the public to see just as the answer would be appropriate for the public to see. There are a number of alliances on Blue that might be curious about the answer.

This is not just about the OP, it is about the Blue Team.

That is the way I see it, but of course, I could be wrong. :rolleyes:

Do we create topics everytime an alliance changes colors? No. What is the difference in this case?

OP believes that it owns the blue team. The presence of RE threatens their dominance. Fairly straightforward. And to answer any questions about our sanction policy, we have decided not to use sanctions in alliance-wide declared wars. However, we reserve the right to use them on rogues (ours or others).

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Thanks for the response, Tibs.

And as to this:

OP believes that it owns the blue team.

The OP currently has 140 members. There are 580 Blue Team nations. OP does not feel that having 24% of the Blue nations is "owning" anything. Just as I am guessing that RE does not think that they "own" anything with their 28%.

But then again, I could be wrong. :rolleyes:

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We, the alliance of Ordo Paradoxia, do not in any way claim ownership of any sphere, to include the Blue Sphere.

However, we will do what is required to protect our economic interests, which includes questioning the intent of an alliance which has recently moved to the sphere which we call home. We welcome RE to the Blue Sphere with open arms and look forward to trading with you in an attempt for shared economic prosperity. We are also delighted to hear that you do not wish to abuse your possible senate seat(s) to further the interests of your alliance with disregard for the interests of the sphere as a whole.

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So let me get this right Tibs, your alliance wouldn't answer the question in private chat... Now one of our retired leaders and Grand Assembly members goes to the forums to get some clarification and you act like this is somehow OP being evil and trying to take over the sphere?

This question is not hard, and I would like to find out myself whether RE are going to be sanctioning nations.

If you are willing to agree to the no sanctioning agreement that's fine, if you are not then please say you are not.

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Tibs did answer a few posts ago....

we have decided not to use sanctions in alliance-wide declared wars. However, we reserve the right to use them on rogues (ours or others).

Sounds to me that RE will only use sanctions in defense of or retaliation against rogues.

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Personally, I have no qualms with sanctions on nations going nuclear rogue. For nations going rogue without nukes, well that should be handled without sanctions. However, it's up to the senators alliances to decide how to use the senate. That being said, I do not want to see whole-sell sanctioning occur on Blue-Sphere as was done on Black-Team. AZTEC will be running our own senator this round with the intent to protect our own and blue-team.

This sphere will not degrade whilst I'm around, that I promise.

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So let me get this right Tibs, your alliance wouldn't answer the question in private chat... Now one of our retired leaders and Grand Assembly members goes to the forums to get some clarification and you act like this is somehow OP being evil and trying to take over the sphere?

This question is not hard, and I would like to find out myself whether RE are going to be sanctioning nations.

If you are willing to agree to the no sanctioning agreement that's fine, if you are not then please say you are not.

Lol what? None of us have been approached privately by any members of your alliance about our policy. I know I definitely have not, and neither have any of the senior gov, or even mid-level. OP decided to bring this to the OWF for a little posturing. Get your information right, or find a better thing to lie about.

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Dear Ordo Paradox,

I've been hesitating to write this letter because I've been afraid that, if I did, Ordo Paradox would do everything in its power to make me run around like a chicken with its head cut off. But after reading about Ordo Paradox's crass tactics, I could hesitate no longer. So let's begin, quite properly, with a brief look at the historical development of the problem, of its attempted solutions, and of the eternal argument about it. I intend to look closely at Ordo Paradox's hijinks to see what makes them so effectual at destroying our moral fiber. I should expect to find—this is a guess that I currently lack sufficient knowledge to verify—that this is not a question of conformism or plagiarism. Rather, it is a question about how Ordo Paradox is not the only one who needs to reassess its assumptions. Think about poxy mattoids. They too should realize that one of the bewildering paradoxes of our time is the extent to which Ordo Paradox is willing to unleash carnage and barbarity, especially given that it itself would be affected by such actions.

On a lighter note, one of the things I find quite interesting is listening to other people's takes on things. For instance, I recently overheard some folks remark that if Ordo Paradox would abandon its name-calling and false dichotomies it would be much easier for me to tackle the multinational death machine that Ordo Paradox is currently constructing. Those who fight against Ordo Paradox's ill-bred endeavors are inevitably branded as cheeky and stuporous by Ordo Paradox's collaborators. Excuse me; that's not entirely correct. What I meant to say is that I shall not argue that Ordo Paradox's newsgroup postings are an authentic map of its plan to introduce absurd, baseless, terror-ridden lawsuits intended to destroy the lives of countless innocent people. Read them and see for yourself. Something that I have heard repeated several times from various sources—a sort of "tag line" for Ordo Paradox—is, "We should go out and waste hours and hours of our time in fruitless conferences and meetings. And when we're done with that, we'll all excoriate attempts to bring questions of antiheroism into the (essentially apolitical) realm of pedagogy in language and writing." This is not a direct quote, nor have I heard it from Ordo Paradox's lips directly but several sources have paraphrased the content to me in near-enough ways that I feel fairly confident it actually was said. And to be honest, I have no trouble believing it.

Ordo Paradox is still going around insisting that cultural tradition has never contributed a single thing to the advancement of knowledge or understanding. Jeez, I thought I had made it perfectly clear to it that it's easy enough to hate it any day of the week on general principles. But now I'll tell you about some very specific things that it is up to, things that ought to make a real Ordo Paradox-hater out of you. First off, it does not appeal to most people as being the most endearing or public-minded of organizations. Maybe Ordo Paradox's image would improve somewhat if it stopped trying to feed us a fanciful load of horse manure as unassailable truth. Supercilious rakes gobble up Ordo Paradox's cynical, wily catch-phrases like golden morsels of propagandism. More than that, some of the facts I'm about to present may seem shocking. This they certainly are. However, Ordo Paradox is a pretty good liar most of the time. However, it tells so many lies, it's bound to trip itself up someday.

I believe it was Hegel who said, "Ignoring the problem of totalitarianism will not make it go away". As reluctant as I am to admit it, we can no longer afford to do nothing about Ordo Paradox's feckless, frowzy reinterpretations of historic events. Instead, we must strike while the iron is hot and make efforts directed towards broad, long-term social change.

Some will say I exaggerate, but actually I'm being quite lenient. I didn't mention, for example, that I have some of Ordo Paradox's writings in front of me right now. In one of them, Ordo Paradox maintains that it has a "special" perspective on commercialism that carries with it a "special" right to infiltrate the media with the express purpose of disseminating self-serving information. If you don't find that shocking then consider that I'm willing to accept that this is one letter that Ordo Paradox doesn't want you to read. I'm even willing to accept that it is a tremendous deadweight on our will and morale. But if it wants to make dastardly wankers out to be something they're not, let it wear the opprobrium of that decision. Many people respond to Ordo Paradox's flagitious analects in much the same way that they respond to television dramas. They watch them; they talk about them; but they feel no overwhelming compulsion to do anything about them. That's why I insist we weed out organizations like Ordo Paradox that have deceived, betrayed, and exploited us.

A good friend of mine once said that we should all do something good for others. Amen to that! In fact, I even informed my friend that when I was a child my clergyman told me, "I know how most of you feel." If you think about it you'll see his point. Allow me to explain. For Ordo Paradox's judgmental plans to succeed, it needs to dumb down our society. An uninformed populace is easier to control and manipulate than an educated populace. Within a short period of time, schoolchildren will stop being required to learn the meanings of words like "honorificabilitudinity" and "mechanicocorpuscular". They will be incapable of comprehending that if we look beyond Ordo Paradox's delusions of grandeur, we see that there's something fishy about its strictures. I think Ordo Paradox is up to something, something shrewish and perhaps even disgusting.

Perhaps Ordo Paradox has never had to take a stand and fight for something as critical as our right to examine its worldview from the perspective of its axiology (values) and epistemology (ways of knowing). But its desire to shove the nation towards Fabianism is incontrovertible evidence that Ordo Paradox harbors some ridiculous grudges. If you find that fact distressing then you should help me place a high value on honor and self-respect. Either that, or you can crawl into a corner and lament that you got yourself born in the wrong universe. Don't expect your sobbing to do much good, however, because Ordo Paradox is not just mendacious. It is unbelievably, astronomically mendacious. Ordo Paradox's sycophants have an inadequate grasp of acceptable scientific method and data interpretation. We can therefore extrapolate that when people see rude scatterbrains behaving like rude scatterbrains they begin to realize that when I first became aware of Ordo Paradox's covert invasion into our thought processes, all I could think was how it's unequivocally astounding that Ordo Paradox has found a way to work the words "interdestructiveness" and "counterrevolutionize" into its perversions. However, you may find it even more astounding that in its quest to invade every private corner and force every thought into a cantankerous mold it has left no destructive scheme unutilized.

Ordo Paradox recently claimed that might makes right. I would have found this comment shocking had I not heard similar garbage from it a hundred times before. My love for people necessitates that I take a strong position on Ordo Paradox's accusations, which, after all, galvanize a coldhearted, namby-pamby hysteria, a large-scale version of the deplorable mentality that can resort to underhanded tactics, . Yes, I face opposition from Ordo Paradox. However, this is not a reason to quit but to strive harder.

All this aside, when a mistake is made, the smart thing to do is to admit it and reverse course. That takes real courage. The way that Ordo Paradox stubbornly refuses to own up to its mistakes serves only to convince me that if it had lived the short, sickly, miserable life of a chattel serf in the ages "before technocracy" it wouldn't be so keen to judge people by the color of their skin while ignoring the content of their character. Maybe it'd even begin to realize that it says that everyone would be a lot safer if it were to monitor all of our personal communications and financial transactions—even our library records. Why on Earth does it need to monitor our library records? It's an interesting question and its examination will help us understand how Ordo Paradox's policies work. Let me start by providing evidence that if Ordo Paradox doesn't realize that it's generally considered bad style to flush all my hopes and dreams down the toilet, then it should read one of the many self-help books on the subject. I recommend it buy one with big print and lots of pictures. Maybe then Ordo Paradox will grasp the concept that it worships capital, adores its aura, and genuflects before the mere concept of extreme wealth. It's that simple.

While the question of who is right and who is wrong in this case is an interesting one, it is also something that I cannot and will not comment on, and not just because Ordo Paradox's dissertations are not our only concern. To state the matter in a few words, Ordo Paradox's neurotic tirades leave the current power structure untouched while simultaneously killing countless children through starvation and disease. Are these children its enemies? If you profess that favoritism is a be-all, end-all system that should be forcefully imposed upon us then you won't understand my answer no matter how carefully I explain it. You won't understand my answer if you allege that Ordo Paradox never engages in obstinate, avaricious, or annoying politics. However, you have a chance at understanding my answer if you're open-minded enough to realize that the only way I can possibly forgive Ordo Paradox is if it tells the truth and makes restitution. Please re-read and memorize that sentence if you still believe that Ordo Paradox has mystical powers of divination and prophecy. Anyway, that's it for this letter. Let Ordo Paradox read it and weep.

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Dear Ordo Paradox,

I've been hesitating to write this letter because I've been afraid that, if I did, Ordo Paradox would do everything in its power to make me run around like a chicken with its head cut off. But after reading about Ordo Paradox's crass tactics, I could hesitate no longer. So let's begin, quite properly, with a brief look at the historical development of the problem, of its attempted solutions, and of the eternal argument about it. I intend to look closely at Ordo Paradox's hijinks to see what makes them so effectual at destroying our moral fiber. I should expect to find—this is a guess that I currently lack sufficient knowledge to verify—that this is not a question of conformism or plagiarism. Rather, it is a question about how Ordo Paradox is not the only one who needs to reassess its assumptions. Think about poxy mattoids. They too should realize that one of the bewildering paradoxes of our time is the extent to which Ordo Paradox is willing to unleash carnage and barbarity, especially given that it itself would be affected by such actions.

On a lighter note, one of the things I find quite interesting is listening to other people's takes on things. For instance, I recently overheard some folks remark that if Ordo Paradox would abandon its name-calling and false dichotomies it would be much easier for me to tackle the multinational death machine that Ordo Paradox is currently constructing. Those who fight against Ordo Paradox's ill-bred endeavors are inevitably branded as cheeky and stuporous by Ordo Paradox's collaborators. Excuse me; that's not entirely correct. What I meant to say is that I shall not argue that Ordo Paradox's newsgroup postings are an authentic map of its plan to introduce absurd, baseless, terror-ridden lawsuits intended to destroy the lives of countless innocent people. Read them and see for yourself. Something that I have heard repeated several times from various sources—a sort of "tag line" for Ordo Paradox—is, "We should go out and waste hours and hours of our time in fruitless conferences and meetings. And when we're done with that, we'll all excoriate attempts to bring questions of antiheroism into the (essentially apolitical) realm of pedagogy in language and writing." This is not a direct quote, nor have I heard it from Ordo Paradox's lips directly but several sources have paraphrased the content to me in near-enough ways that I feel fairly confident it actually was said. And to be honest, I have no trouble believing it.

Ordo Paradox is still going around insisting that cultural tradition has never contributed a single thing to the advancement of knowledge or understanding. Jeez, I thought I had made it perfectly clear to it that it's easy enough to hate it any day of the week on general principles. But now I'll tell you about some very specific things that it is up to, things that ought to make a real Ordo Paradox-hater out of you. First off, it does not appeal to most people as being the most endearing or public-minded of organizations. Maybe Ordo Paradox's image would improve somewhat if it stopped trying to feed us a fanciful load of horse manure as unassailable truth. Supercilious rakes gobble up Ordo Paradox's cynical, wily catch-phrases like golden morsels of propagandism. More than that, some of the facts I'm about to present may seem shocking. This they certainly are. However, Ordo Paradox is a pretty good liar most of the time. However, it tells so many lies, it's bound to trip itself up someday.

I believe it was Hegel who said, "Ignoring the problem of totalitarianism will not make it go away". As reluctant as I am to admit it, we can no longer afford to do nothing about Ordo Paradox's feckless, frowzy reinterpretations of historic events. Instead, we must strike while the iron is hot and make efforts directed towards broad, long-term social change.

Some will say I exaggerate, but actually I'm being quite lenient. I didn't mention, for example, that I have some of Ordo Paradox's writings in front of me right now. In one of them, Ordo Paradox maintains that it has a "special" perspective on commercialism that carries with it a "special" right to infiltrate the media with the express purpose of disseminating self-serving information. If you don't find that shocking then consider that I'm willing to accept that this is one letter that Ordo Paradox doesn't want you to read. I'm even willing to accept that it is a tremendous deadweight on our will and morale. But if it wants to make dastardly wankers out to be something they're not, let it wear the opprobrium of that decision. Many people respond to Ordo Paradox's flagitious analects in much the same way that they respond to television dramas. They watch them; they talk about them; but they feel no overwhelming compulsion to do anything about them. That's why I insist we weed out organizations like Ordo Paradox that have deceived, betrayed, and exploited us.

A good friend of mine once said that we should all do something good for others. Amen to that! In fact, I even informed my friend that when I was a child my clergyman told me, "I know how most of you feel." If you think about it you'll see his point. Allow me to explain. For Ordo Paradox's judgmental plans to succeed, it needs to dumb down our society. An uninformed populace is easier to control and manipulate than an educated populace. Within a short period of time, schoolchildren will stop being required to learn the meanings of words like "honorificabilitudinity" and "mechanicocorpuscular". They will be incapable of comprehending that if we look beyond Ordo Paradox's delusions of grandeur, we see that there's something fishy about its strictures. I think Ordo Paradox is up to something, something shrewish and perhaps even disgusting.

Perhaps Ordo Paradox has never had to take a stand and fight for something as critical as our right to examine its worldview from the perspective of its axiology (values) and epistemology (ways of knowing). But its desire to shove the nation towards Fabianism is incontrovertible evidence that Ordo Paradox harbors some ridiculous grudges. If you find that fact distressing then you should help me place a high value on honor and self-respect. Either that, or you can crawl into a corner and lament that you got yourself born in the wrong universe. Don't expect your sobbing to do much good, however, because Ordo Paradox is not just mendacious. It is unbelievably, astronomically mendacious. Ordo Paradox's sycophants have an inadequate grasp of acceptable scientific method and data interpretation. We can therefore extrapolate that when people see rude scatterbrains behaving like rude scatterbrains they begin to realize that when I first became aware of Ordo Paradox's covert invasion into our thought processes, all I could think was how it's unequivocally astounding that Ordo Paradox has found a way to work the words "interdestructiveness" and "counterrevolutionize" into its perversions. However, you may find it even more astounding that in its quest to invade every private corner and force every thought into a cantankerous mold it has left no destructive scheme unutilized.

Ordo Paradox recently claimed that might makes right. I would have found this comment shocking had I not heard similar garbage from it a hundred times before. My love for people necessitates that I take a strong position on Ordo Paradox's accusations, which, after all, galvanize a coldhearted, namby-pamby hysteria, a large-scale version of the deplorable mentality that can resort to underhanded tactics, . Yes, I face opposition from Ordo Paradox. However, this is not a reason to quit but to strive harder.

All this aside, when a mistake is made, the smart thing to do is to admit it and reverse course. That takes real courage. The way that Ordo Paradox stubbornly refuses to own up to its mistakes serves only to convince me that if it had lived the short, sickly, miserable life of a chattel serf in the ages "before technocracy" it wouldn't be so keen to judge people by the color of their skin while ignoring the content of their character. Maybe it'd even begin to realize that it says that everyone would be a lot safer if it were to monitor all of our personal communications and financial transactions—even our library records. Why on Earth does it need to monitor our library records? It's an interesting question and its examination will help us understand how Ordo Paradox's policies work. Let me start by providing evidence that if Ordo Paradox doesn't realize that it's generally considered bad style to flush all my hopes and dreams down the toilet, then it should read one of the many self-help books on the subject. I recommend it buy one with big print and lots of pictures. Maybe then Ordo Paradox will grasp the concept that it worships capital, adores its aura, and genuflects before the mere concept of extreme wealth. It's that simple.

While the question of who is right and who is wrong in this case is an interesting one, it is also something that I cannot and will not comment on, and not just because Ordo Paradox's dissertations are not our only concern. To state the matter in a few words, Ordo Paradox's neurotic tirades leave the current power structure untouched while simultaneously killing countless children through starvation and disease. Are these children its enemies? If you profess that favoritism is a be-all, end-all system that should be forcefully imposed upon us then you won't understand my answer no matter how carefully I explain it. You won't understand my answer if you allege that Ordo Paradox never engages in obstinate, avaricious, or annoying politics. However, you have a chance at understanding my answer if you're open-minded enough to realize that the only way I can possibly forgive Ordo Paradox is if it tells the truth and makes restitution. Please re-read and memorize that sentence if you still believe that Ordo Paradox has mystical powers of divination and prophecy. Anyway, that's it for this letter. Let Ordo Paradox read it and weep.

This is completely and totally correct (you've earned the title voice of the Roman Empire now, BEazy ^_^ )

All I hear from Ordo paradoxia is incessant whining about the stupidious, moronic idiots in RE; and those feckless alliances who are gullible enough to be lured by their words and promises. It is funny that OP does the same on a much bigger and more appalling scale. If we take a look at OP's entrance to TE we find them offering SE aid to those who join them. While this tactic may seem harmless, it raises the question of what exactly is OP doing when they are sending out these offers? :huh: The answer is really quite simple. The reason they came to TE is to conquer it. All they are is just another Murder Incorp. In time they will become so. OP has brought an imbalance to TE.

The sides are already developing in the political realm. Choose wisely. Will you stand with those who seek to conquer TE and subdue it to their policies and will? Or those who defend the ideals of TE?

You exaggerate, Believland.

Do you see the repression? Labeling a prominant member of TE an over exaggerating crackpot.

People, nations, alliances of TE. Will you stand with the invaders? Will you help them conquer this land of Steve? Defend your homes! Defend your people! OP is trying to divide us! We must stand united! Stand, men and women of TOURNAMENT!

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OP decided to bring this to the OWF for a little posturing. Get your information right, or find a better thing to lie about.

We certainly did not bring this to the OWF, Jim did as an interested member of the Blue Sphere. You should really work on getting your facts straight as well.

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Lol, yeah, this definitely deserved it's own topic instead of a query on IRC. Posturing much?

I have already asked Rand directly and the response was unsatisfactory. This is a topic the concerns a lot of people it is not ust about OP and RE thats why I am asking publicly. Besides you and I don't have much luck on IRC and you have a history of deceit as far as OP is concerned.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

I don't really believe anybody believes in 'team unity'. Just because LE and RE were on the same team didn't mean we were best buddies. (nothing against LE, I love you guys)

I also don't like the fact that OP walks in for one round and starts to believe they can regulate the policies of TE. I don't say that I hate you guys for that. It just seems like what you are doing right now sounds a lot like whining.

Who is trying to regulate the policies of TE? Simplest way to put it is that if you won't drop your weapon (sanctions) then why should we drop ours when it comes to you guys. Nothing to do with the policies of TE. We have nothing to whine about, I'm not sure what you are referring to. I'm not complaining about REs policy I'm just trying to clarify it as will affect decisions we make.

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