PEPTO Disussions

[comrade nikonov]

"We've just received a declaration of war. We expect to neutralize the threat shortly."

[maicke]

We support the protectorate clause as long as it is overridden by agreements such as the one in the Iberian Pact.

Also, we are willing to aid Belarus if they should need it.

[comrade nikonov]

"No assistance is required at the moment."

[Kaiser Martens]

"We would like to send a small expeditionary force of 100 Soldiers and 13 Tanks, if needed, for training purposes there as well as to take the chance of giving a hand."

"Additionally we would like to propose a pact stating that if Germany ever falls into anarchy, disbands or otherwise ceases to exist, that Iceland should be given to Scotland, as historically only us and them have in modern times controlled this Land. Essentially, we want to keep Iceland, but if things ever get bad, we'd sooner see Scotland owning it than anybody else."

"Lastly, we thank you all for your support and will add the signatures soon, as our Government is about to change, and we wish for the signature to be from the new government, rather than the old."

[Proxian Empire]

We certainly appreciate Deutschland's gesture in regards to Scotland, and fully support this proposed revision of the treaty.

[Kaiser Martens]

OOC: That's valid OOC too, if I ever leave, you get Iceland.

[Uberstein]

PEPTO has a purpose, but I believe we need to specify what it is.

I believe PEPTO is like a rubber band, holding together via negotiation and co-willingness to cooperate, the regional pacts of Europe. While some may view it as redundant, it is my long-term-goal to get the entire Iberian pact, into PEPTO, not to replace it, but to bring all of it's members closer to the other regional pacts of Europe. So we can handle our own regional situations, but still have a common goal of peace and progress and a united ground to discuss it on, aka, PEPTO.

We have seen what happens with blocs that try to create a central command over large areas, they fail, they collapse. This is why I think small regional pacts communicating with eachother would work better, and should be the ultimate goal of PEPTO.

Thoughts?

[Kaiser Martens]

Europe is an earthquake zone politically, let's make PEPTO be like earthquake-resistant buildings: Flexible. Furthermore, its non-overcentralized and non-mandatory aspects make it more unpredictable, which in the long term means a better survivability and a chance to ward off enemies. Not that we expect to have enemies. Things in Europe seem to be, at last, calming down...

[Proxian Empire]

It is the business of the invidual members of the Iberian Pact to decide if they chose to join PEPTO or not. Ultimately, the Iberian Pact is of greater importance which does make joining this ODP bloc mildly redundant.

[Uberstein]

It is the business of the invidual members of the Iberian Pact to decide if they chose to join PEPTO or not. Ultimately, the Iberian Pact is of greater importance which does make joining this ODP bloc mildly redundant.

Nobody will ever be forced to join, that is against the spirit of PEPTO, and again, you seem to not understand my point. The Iberian Pact has little to no connections with nations outside their pact, just as Finland had little contact with other nations besides Norway and Slavorussia. PEPTO, I believe, is meant to bring the different areas of Europe together. It is not a command bloc, or a military bloc, but more of a very large telephone with an underlying value of peace, progress, and a war-free Europe. A system that makes it easier to contact nations and promotes discussion instead of bullets and shells.

[comrade nikonov]

The Federal Union believes we should work on passing the protectorate clause.

Also, we submit a name change to the Federal Union of the Slavic Republics.

Edited January 10, 2010 by comrade nikonov

[comrade nikonov]

Recently, the press in the Federal Union of the Slavic Republics created a political idea that spread like wildfire through our nation's intelligentsia and public. Their belief, visibly strengthened by our recent Europe First policy's success, has gained political support from many parties, including several members of the Grand Coalition that governs our nation. Thus, we felt that it was neccesary to share it with the rest of the PEPTO as to see their responses to a homegrown political ideal...

"We are the people of Europe. Europe is a proud continent with millenia of history, reaching back to the great civilizations of Greece and Rome. Our Europe is our jewel, our home. Those who live in and originate from Europe are Europeans, and thus, Europe is our home. Our home should be open to those who wish to reside and take shelter from the storms of tumultous politics abound in the world, but not those who want to raid, pillage, and plunder it for their own profit. Europe is for Europeans. Any non-European power holding land in Europe should be driven out, just as burglars, thieves, and rats should be driven out of our earthly dwellings. We should not venture far outside our home, monsters exist far and near, threatening our livelihoods and wellbeing. Our belief is simple and yet strong, Europe is our home, and Europe is for Europeans."

[maicke]

Valencia fully supports the clause suggested by the Slavic Republics.

[Lynneth]

"The wording is...questionable. But this is a counter to so many anti-colony policies all over the world, so we'd approve.

Once it's reworded."

[Kaiser Martens]

"I do not think that it is our position to decide on all-europe matters, but only in our own countries or protectorates for those who do have them. We can't be Euro Police. But overall if Colonialism proves to be a threat...on a case per case basis, opposing it may be good for the continent at Large."

[Markus Wilding]

Alvonia wishes to apply for PEPTO membership.

Edited January 13, 2010 by N Reeki

[Lynneth]

Alvonia wishes to apply for PEPTO membership.

"Where are you again? Please provide a map."

[Markus Wilding]

The land in gray shown here on the map (excluding those already owned by Germany, Novus Nicae and the Eggman Empire) is what has been sceded to Alvonia by the FRG.

[Lynneth]

The land in gray shown here on the map (excluding those already owned by Germany, Novus Nicae and the Eggman Empire) is what has been sceded to Alvonia by the FRG.

"The region surrounded by Groenlandia Este?

Hmm..."

"Did we ever set what is Europe?

If not, we would like to propose this definition: "

[Uberstein]

Greenland is part of the North American continent, not Europe.

[Markus Wilding]

We made it clear in our DoE that we will limit ourselves to European affairs, as that's where we consider ourselves. We personally don't think Greenland is a part of North America, we believe it's a part of Europe and hould be treated as such.

[Lynneth]

We made it clear in our DoE that we will limit ourselves to European affairs, as that's where we consider ourselves. We personally don't think Greenland is a part of North America, we believe it's a part of Europe and hould be treated as such.

"Geographically, it is part of North America."

[comrade nikonov]

"We support Alvonia's application. Their people live, breathe, and exist as Europeans. We apologize for the wording of our ideal, but it is rather crude. Although we believe that GDR's definition of Europe is correct, we should include the Rebel Army in our definition as well as they have a large history of involvement and relations with European nations. Also, we believe that our ideal should not be taken on by PEPTO itself, but rather included in the foreign policy of every nation that believes it to be correct and morally honorable."

[Lynneth]

"We support Alvonia's application. Their people live, breathe, and exist as Europeans. We apologize for the wording of our ideal, but it is rather crude. Although we believe that GDR's definition of Europe is correct, we should include the Rebel Army in our definition as well as they have a large history of involvement and relations with European nations. Also, we believe that our ideal should not be taken on by PEPTO itself, but rather included in the foreign policy of every nation that believes it to be correct and morally honorable."

"Actually, the majority of Rebel Army's actions involved Africa, not Europe or Asia."

[Kaiser Martens]

"The problem with accepting this nation is that if only being European culturally is a requisite needed, then we can well end up sprawling all over the world, there's plenty of European-Folk Nations everywhere outside of Europe proper."