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Haruhi sighed after events at hand, and nodded to Kagami and Sakuya respectively.

"I believe we can now firmly get this conference under way."

Jameson smiled. Finally! But the Queendom wasn't the one who had called this meeting...so he had no clue what might be on the egenda, other than the hints dropped at the AUP congressional building. As such, he remained quiet, witing for further elaboration.

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Haruhi had her plan in her head, and decided to get this started.

"As you know the AUP has been wrecked by instability as of late, and it's become a weakened bloc. As of late, my government and I have been discussing the possibility of either completely disbanding the AUP and replacing it, forming a NAP/ODAP bloc alongside it, and a variety of other scenarios. Essentially, the plan for a secondary bloc would result in 'Pax Asiatis', with no mandatory clauses. Free Trade would be promoted, a NAP would be included, and Optional Defense and Aggression. With this, the AUP would remain, but it would strengthen ties throughout Asia among those not willing to opt for mandatory defense, and make it more peace and trade oriented."

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"Hold on a second. I need to talk for a moment with my superiors."

Jameson stood and left the room to call home. When he came back, he informed them, "The Queendom is willing to sign any NAP, and possibly agree to reduced tariffs, but nothing more."

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"Zargathia is treatied to a number of fellow AUP nations individually as well. As such, this would only have a minor effect on our current set of treaties, though we can understand the reasoning behind it. Being in favor of MDPs we are however glad to hear the AUP will still continue to exist alongside the Pax Asiatis, which would be the 'observer bloc' that was brought up in the last Congress at Harbin, would it not?"

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Haruhi had her plan in her head, and decided to get this started.

"As you know the AUP has been wrecked by instability as of late, and it's become a weakened bloc. As of late, my government and I have been discussing the possibility of either completely disbanding the AUP and replacing it, forming a NAP/ODAP bloc alongside it, and a variety of other scenarios. Essentially, the plan for a secondary bloc would result in 'Pax Asiatis', with no mandatory clauses. Free Trade would be promoted, a NAP would be included, and Optional Defense and Aggression. With this, the AUP would remain, but it would strengthen ties throughout Asia among those not willing to opt for mandatory defense, and make it more peace and trade oriented."

"Of course I speak as an observer, and as an AU nation. As we speak of a network of Free Trade Agreements, coupled with an Optional Defense clause already exists in Asia. This organization, which existed prior to the formation of the AUP, is infact the Asian Union. While the membership in the AU has changed over time it still exists, albeit less active than we would wish. For example, our allies in Zargathia and Selenarctos are two such nations who are AU signatories.

Would it really be effective to have several free trade blocs in the Asian region? I think not. While we view the idea of reassessing the purpose of the AUP, we see the proposal as being somewhat redundant"

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OOC: here it is

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"Vauleo-Buryatia brings up an interesting point... Given that, according to its member pages, all currently existing signatories are AUP members (either full or observer), would it be a possibility if the Asian Union was to be merged into Pax Asiatis unmodified? Going by the articles in this treaty, Pax Asiatis would amount to the same thing anyway, and the Asian Union would be more active again."

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OOC: here it is

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"Vauleo-Buryatia brings up an interesting point... Given that, according to its member pages, all currently existing signatories are AUP members (either full or observer), would it be a possibility if the Asian Union was to be merged into Pax Asiatis unmodified? Going by the articles in this treaty, Pax Asiatis would amount to the same thing anyway, and the Asian Union would be more active again."

The Diplomat whispers to the Zargathian representative reminding them that Vauleo-Buryatia is not an AUP member or observer.

"We do forsee one small bump to such a merger. The AU is, by agreement of its membership deliberately economically centered, therefore we would need to see that this approach would be preserved in any proposed shift. Given the economic centric focus of the AU, and Vauleo-Buryatia's Constitutional regulations regarding treaties, we would oppose such a union if an Optional Aggression clause was included in the final document.

Should the proposal be entirely along the framework of the AU treaty, ie. economic free trade, reduced tariffs, etc and with only an optional defense pact, then we would be in favor of such a move. Also the question remains as to how the merger would occur, for example would all AUP members immediately become members in the new organization? or would it be done on a case by case basis.

While such a move is a good idea, in essence, it would require consultations with other AU nations prior to an agreement to implement"

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Kagami listened to the words of Buryatia's delegate, and then began to speak for Haruhi this time.

"Every bit of what you said makes good, logical sense, and can be made workable. In the initial talks within the People's Assembly, the optional aggression was considered to be droppable in the plan of creating the PA. As such, we will endorse retaining only the ODP aspect, with the original AU framework.

All AUP members, upon foundation of the PA, will be considered members. The decision to actually completely join the organization, and affirm it officially, is up to the member states in questions. All observers and other Asian and Oceanic states will be considered eligible too. However, like the AUP and AU both, voting for new members will occur and take place. We are fine with consulting other AU member states, and will leave such up to your own nation, as Vauleo-Buryatia is somewhat the head of the AU"

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Kagami listened to the words of Buryatia's delegate, and then began to speak for Haruhi this time.

"Every bit of what you said makes good, logical sense, and can be made workable. In the initial talks within the People's Assembly, the optional aggression was considered to be droppable in the plan of creating the PA. As such, we will endorse retaining only the ODP aspect, with the original AU framework.

All AUP members, upon foundation of the PA, will be considered members. The decision to actually completely join the organization, and affirm it officially, is up to the member states in questions. All observers and other Asian and Oceanic states will be considered eligible too. However, like the AUP and AU both, voting for new members will occur and take place. We are fine with consulting other AU member states, and will leave such up to your own nation, as Vauleo-Buryatia is somewhat the head of the AU"

"Politely we are not the head of the AU in any way. All AU nations are exact equals. Secondly, before agreeing to unifying into a new organization we would like to know exactly which nations are members of the AUP."

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"In that case, it would be the position of my government that we should not necessarily carry out a blanket wide merger. We instead would suggest a case by case, nation by nation approval procedure. To put it bluntly, there are certain member nations of the AUP who we would not be in a future organization with. I shall not name these nations in question, but you can rest assured that we would be extremely hesitant to be in an economic agreement with them."

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"In that case, it would be the position of my government that we should not necessarily carry out a blanket wide merger. We instead would suggest a case by case, nation by nation approval procedure. To put it bluntly, there are certain member nations of the AUP who we would not be in a future organization with. I shall not name these nations in question, but you can rest assured that we would be extremely hesitant to be in an economic agreement with them."

Kachiyuri looked at the Buryatian delegate.

"Michuraza is bound and loyal to the PDHRK,and the AUP and I think this is a good plan in my opinion but we will never join any outside organization."

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The Diplomat whispers to the Zargathian representative reminding them that Vauleo-Buryatia is not an AUP member or observer.

- "Ah, my apologies. I posted from work believed Vauleo-Buryatia had observer status."

Amyante then turned to the other AUP representatives, pressing a few buttons on her laptop before starting to speak.

- "Already being a member of both the Asian Union and the AUP, Zargathia has no problems with this decision. To facilitate efficiency however and keep both organizations streamlined, i propose that Article V (Free Trade) be dropped from the AUP charter, instead focusing more on the political and military aspects of the bloc. As for the Asian Union, it would remain unmodified, with every nation deciding for themselves whether they wish to join at AEZ level, AFTZ level, or not, with the Asian Congress remaining in place to discuss economic matters. However, we would request that Asian Congress (and thus, Asian Union) membership automatically grants observer status with the AUP. Becoming a full AUP member will of course remain on a case by case basis. We feel it important to note that the opposite would not be true as per an old vote, though we would welcome a new voting round to see if the Asian Union would allow observers during Congress meetings."

She then checked the screen again for the results of her search request, and skimmed the files briefly before finding what she was looking for.

- "Ah, here we go. Currently existing Asian Union nations are... Vauleo-Buryatia at AFTZ level, and Zargathia, Selenarctos and Marscurian Pakistan on AEZ level."

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"Whatever is decided, just remember the Queendom won't be accepting anything more than NAP and reduced tariffs."

OOC: Also bump.

"According to our data, that would be an EAZ-level membership of the future Pax Asiatis, assuming the optional defense and environmental conservation articles aren't a problem."

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- "Already being a member of both the Asian Union and the AUP, Zargathia has no problems with this decision. To facilitate efficiency however and keep both organizations streamlined, i propose that Article V (Free Trade) be dropped from the AUP charter, instead focusing more on the political and military aspects of the bloc. As for the Asian Union, it would remain unmodified, with every nation deciding for themselves whether they wish to join at AEZ level, AFTZ level, or not, with the Asian Congress remaining in place to discuss economic matters. However, we would request that Asian Congress (and thus, Asian Union) membership automatically grants observer status with the AUP. Becoming a full AUP member will of course remain on a case by case basis. We feel it important to note that the opposite would not be true as per an old vote, though we would welcome a new voting round to see if the Asian Union would allow observers during Congress meetings."

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"Firstly, what does Zargathia mean by focusing on the political and military aspects of the bloc. Is it the intention that the proposed Pax Asiatis should have a military component as well? If that is indeed the suggestion, then we are strongly opposed. There are certain nations in the AUP who we will absolutely refuse to cooperate with militarily. On the economic side of matters, we find the suggestion that the new pact create a mechanism for free trade like that outlined in the AU charter to be acceptable.

Secondly, we must ask Zargathia if they are suggesting that the new organization should be divided into separate economic and military portions or if the status quo should be maintained. If this is indeed correct, then in our view, it would not be necessary to merge both organizations. If indeed the suggestion is to continue with two separate entities with reciprocal observer status, then could the Zargathian representative clearly state and clarify this."

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"Certainly not. With bloc, we were referring to the AUP, not Pax Asiatis, as a MDIAP has a stronger military emphasis by nature than an NAP. Our intention was for the Asian Union to outline the mechanism for free trade currently described within a single paragraph in the AUP charter because, simply put, the Asian Union charter does a much better job at it. That is why we suggested Article V (Free Trade) be dropped from the AUP charter, to remove the overlap it currently has with the Asian Union."

"To prevent the clutter that would undoubtedly arise if both organizations were to be merged into one under one large charter, we do indeed suggest for the two to remain separate entities, though with the addition of reciprocal observer status if a member of one organization does not wish to join the other. Naturally, this would require a vote both in the AUP and Asian Congress to see if both organizations agree to this level of cooperation before moving on with the implementation thereof."

"To clarify, Zargathia would like to see the Asian Union and the AUP working alongside one another, with the Asian Union holding the mechanisms for free trade against no or reduced tariffs like it was intended for, and the AUP focusing more on its task of creating a political bloc of which the signatories are tied together through the Mutual Defense, Intelligence and Aid Pact described within its charter. Being a signatory of one would give observer rights in the other, though to clarify an observer's presence is by no means mandatory during official meetings so no signatories will in fact be forced into participating against their will."

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Having two seperate organizations doesnt help the AUP's falling influence, nor does it expand the AU. Attempting to find middle ground and expanding afterwards after a merger? That would benefit each more. However, Mutual Defense simply because of location is nonsense. Those friendships must be mutually respected and individually developed.

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Having two seperate organizations doesnt help the AUP's falling influence, nor does it expand the AU. Attempting to find middle ground and expanding afterwards after a merger? That would benefit each more. However, Mutual Defense simply because of location is nonsense. Those friendships must be mutually respected and individually developed.

This we can agree upon. The AUP is a great thing, as is the cause of AU. Surely, we can find some middle ground for us to walk on.

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The ideas of both have been made before. What we need is not something different, but something that these two are the predecessors of: A.N.C.A. or the Asian Nations Coalition Agreement.

Preamble

---The signatories below sign this treaty in mutual agreement to promote order and to bring a new level of peace and prosperity to the Asian region.

Article One: Membership

-Any nation which is based out of the Asian continent or Indian subcontinent region is allowed to join.

-All nations must be seen as regional peace keepers to join

-Once applying, the applicant nation must receive a 100% acceptance by all members.

Article Two: Economic Cooperation and Coordination

-For the advancement of all Asian people, all nations must drop all tariffs between signatories.

-International businesses between signatories will not receive excessive taxation.

-All signatories agree to lessen border payments between travelers from signatory nations.

-Technology sharing between nations is not required, but encouraged.

Article Three:Mutual Defense

-If one of the signatories are under attack it is the other signatories duty to defend that nation.

-If a nation cancels this treaty during war that nation shall be attacked by the signatories as the friendship and trust held in this treaty is gone.

Article Four: Aggressive War

-If any signatory wishes to go to war that signatory must give the members of Asian Nations Coalition Agreement a 72 hour notice beforehand.

-If the notice period is not given then the member community shall vote on whether to keep the said nation or eject them from the bloc.

Article Five: Nuclear Warfare:

-Each member nation of the Asian Nations Coalition Agreement is allowed to research and develop Nuclear weapons at their own cost.

-Nuclear first strikes is prohibited and the said nation who has launched nuclear weapons shall be expelled.

-Nuclear defense wars are allowed.

-Members are to alert all A.N.C.A. participants in the event of the use of one within their borders.

Article Six:In case of Civil Instability:

- In the case that any nation should experience internal conflict, rebellion, or any type of over through of government each nation will pledge it's support to the nation under hostilities through both economic and militaristic efforts.

- Peaceful demonstrations or weaponless struggles for power may not be defined as an insurrection or a rebellion.

Article Seven: Cancellation/Expulsion

-If any signatory wishes to cancel the treaty,they will have to give a 96notice period before this treaty is null or void.

Should any member of the Asian Nations Coalition Agreement be found to have aims that are either against or counterproductive to those of it's neighbors, then the nation in question may be voted out by the general membership with a 75% +1 majority.

Articles Three can be optional to balance out the fact that AU does not have an MDP. This agreement came from the nations before ours, and have stood together on many occasions. I believe that we can do it again with this agreement.

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