Mentor Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Who else cancelled I do not remember, think it was FEAR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azrael Alexander Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 This is just cover for TDO's plans to merge into MHA to take the #1 spot from TOP. Mostly Harmless Indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) Sometimes I think threads like this need to be spiced up. If I had a dollar for every time someone used the line 'sad but necessary' I'd have enough to fund an infra jump. Or two. The Cyberverse would be so much more interesting if people had the balls to state the reasons for their treaty cancellations. If you're not prepared to do that, I suppose I'll have to do it for you. This log is public information and is available on !@#$%* at the following link: http://!@#$%*.com/m707db85 There is also a secondary log where the person makes changes to the log, at the following link: http://!@#$%*.com/!@#$%*.php?diff=m707db85 [14:53] <LordTri[TDO]> Well I have come to somewhat of a compromise with Mopar. [14:53] <LordTri[TDO]> I informed him I would speak to you about it. [14:54] <Warbuck[ADI]> Ok [14:55] <LordTri[TDO]> ADI wants ARCHEIN to pay for his actions. TDO acknowledges that ARCHEIN's actions were juvenile, but not a cause for war, nor his total removal from power. [14:56] <Warbuck[ADI]> If he is not removed from his government positions, it is a show that TDO supports his actions, and war will be declared. [14:56] <Warbuck[ADI]> That IS the compromise [14:56] <Warbuck[ADI]> What we started with was wanting him ZIed [14:56] <LordTri[TDO]> THIS is a compromise. [14:56] <Warbuck[ADI]> Tell ARCHEIN to look at the cancellations on the DoGN [14:56] <Warbuck[ADI]> and to look at what he's done [14:57] <LordTri[TDO]> Will you please listen to me Warbuck. [14:57] <Warbuck[ADI]> ok... I'm listening [14:57] <LordTri[TDO]> I am trying to avoid war by appeasing both sides of the fence. You claim you do not want war, and yet you are not allowing me to do what I do best and that is compromise. [14:58] <LordTri[TDO]> Now: [14:58] <LordTri[TDO]> TDO will acknowledge the wrong-doings of ARCHEIN. [14:58] <LordTri[TDO]> ARCHEIN will make a public apology before ADI. While also pledging to never do anything of the sort again. [15:00] <LordTri[TDO]> TDO will put, in writing this time, that if ARCHEIN ever commits any action of the sort again (i.e. messages, incinuations, etc.) he will be removed from power, and handed directly to ADI. [15:00] <LordTri[TDO]> TDO is trying to keep a member who has done much for TDO within its ranks. [15:01] <LordTri[TDO]> I find these terms much more reasonable. 15:01] <Warbuck[ADI]> Well, we aren't telling you to remove him from TDO [15:01] <Warbuck[ADI]> just from power... [15:01] <Warbuck[ADI]> let me see what my people think [15:01] <Warbuck[ADI]> if they don't like it, they don't like it. [15:01] <Warbuck[ADI]> if they like it [15:01] <Warbuck[ADI]> we'll move on it [15:02] <LordTri[TDO]> But in this case, if he $%&@s up again, he is not only removed from power, but all of you get to have your way with him.# [15:03] <LordTri[TDO]> If ADI wants war, there is nothing any diplomat can do to stop it. This is a reasonable middle ground, and it is your call. While your people may call for war, they may not understand the severity of war with TDO. [15:05] <Warbuck[ADI]> Well, I will talk to them. [15:06] <LordTri[TDO]> Do these terms seem unreasonable? [15:07] <Warbuck[ADI]> Yes and no [15:07] <Warbuck[ADI]> we were given these promises last time. Edited December 4, 2009 by The Lonely Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongrel Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 After seeing FEAR's cancellation, I had flashbacks of the leadup to the Continuum's mass tech harvest at the hands of the GPA. I was hoping it was an isolated incident, but now I see a second cancellation. TDO I only hope you can fix whatever problems have caused these cancellations. Ragnarok was one of the few alliances who remained a signatory to the GPA DoN when the majority of alliances sat back to watch the wolves devour them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphon88 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Last time? The lonely man I give you the Wooden Spoon Award for the day, for excellent stirring of this pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayzie Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 [15:00] <LordTri[TDO]> TDO will put, in writing this time, that if ARCHEIN ever commits any action of the sort again (i.e. messages, incinuations, etc.) he will be removed from power, and handed directly to ADI.[15:03] <LordTri[TDO]> If ADI wants war, there is nothing any diplomat can do to stop it. This is a reasonable middle ground, and it is your call. While your people may call for war, they may not understand the severity of war with TDO. Nice work Lonely Man. Unfortunately it still doesn't say what Archein has done though. I personally think removing people from their government positions is poor form, but I suppose that depends what he's done. lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deSouza Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 If you roll TDO, please don't dogpile them like the Continuum did to GPA, or extract absurd reparation amounts like the Continuum did. I mean, the former Continuum will call it the Woodstock Massacre Part Two either way, but it'll make it a whole lot easier for me and others like me to show them the ignorance of their ways. SPQR was a part of the woodstock massacre, and it was one of the alliances merged into ragnarok. They, as well as NPO, IRON, TPF, TOP, FOK, NATO, Valhalla, VE, Umbrella, 64Digits, LION and everyone who removed their signatures from the DoN are to blame for it. TDO, cybernations is a war game and realpolitik comes into play here. If you are not allied to anyone, everyone sees you as a potential enemy. People also like to wage war, and they will do so whenever there isnt a higher threat at the moment. I was a member of GPA prior to this taking place, and I can honestly tell you that everything was attempted to appease the aggressors and fix the situation, and all the effort was irrelevant. My advice to you is to get friends. Fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC1 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 lmao Ah TDO, still vastly overestimating their ability to fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poyplemonkeys Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 There has never been an aqua on aqua war and we're not out to make history here. Having said that, our allies are more important than color sphere politics. We, obviously, hope for a peaceful resolution but even if that happens we still could not keep our name on this document when an alliance harrasses an ally and tries to hide behind it. I'm sure Farkistan actually declaread war on another aqua alliance over botched tech deals once. Cannot find a link to it for the life of me though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindom of Goon Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 So what did Archein do then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebbie Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) Ah TDO, still vastly overestimating their ability to fight. didn't know you were still around, we should have a chat on OUR INTER-NATIONAL COMMUNICATION SERVICE (ooc: irc) sometime Edited December 4, 2009 by Jebbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erikz Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I do not remember, think it was FEAR We cancelled on them a while ago also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Off hand, perhaps they weren't being as neutral as advertised. Well, they were being neutral, but not entirely peaceful. We'd probably have come off it, but we never got around to signing. Thanks RoK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingEd Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Well there are many thruth's that are indisputable in this thread.... TDO should go get friends...fast... When an alliance wants war, they will get it... TDO has an invisible ally ? Secret treaty partner ? (the "you underestimate TDO's abilities" part of the logs... Either way/// the last truth is Neutrality doesn't work in CN, just makes you a bigger target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebbie Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Either way/// the last truth is Neutrality doesn't work in CN, just makes you a bigger target. Coming up to 3 years now, still chugging along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Chill I Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Good luck figuring this out guys. Let me know if you need help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacingOutMan Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 See, to be neutral you have to actually be neutral. It's really weird how that works... it's like a foreign concept or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshgazza1992 Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 o/ RagnaroK o/ Hoo! B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buds The Man Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) thatsracist.gif For some reason i always think theyre purple.... You would Wicked Maybe in their world mistreating an alliance is an act of neutrality? Too bad for them RoK doesn't think so. Miss you Kait If you roll TDO, please don't dogpile them like the Continuum did to GPA, or extract absurd reparation amounts like the Continuum did. I mean, the former Continuum will call it the Woodstock Massacre Part Two either way, but it'll make it a whole lot easier for me and others like me to show them the ignorance of their ways. Not one other person brought hegemony up till you I think your getting paranoid these days archon. Im still waiting for that chat sometime RoK generally has good reasons for cancellation, while Hoo and I may not see eye to eye on some things hes always been a straight up dude. If the logs posted earlier are true it is poor form in trying to remove a member of Govt. Take the compromise and move on or if its blood you want get too it. ****I await comments from certain individuals on this post see if im right****** Edited December 4, 2009 by Buds The Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Spades Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Neutrality sucks anyway. It'd be nothing but a big yawn fest if everyone were neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canik Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 (edited) If the logs posted earlier are true it is poor form in trying to remove a member of Govt. Take the compromise and move on or if its blood you want get too it. It depends on what the member of gov did. If they did something worthy of being attacked, then demotion is a compromise. EDIT: Being neutral does not necessarily mean being innocent. Edited December 4, 2009 by Canik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buds The Man Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 It depends on what the member of gov did. If they did something worthy of being attacked, then demotion is a compromise.EDIT: Being neutral does not necessarily mean being innocent. If that member of Govt deserves to be removed it should be up to the membership to remove him not a term of compromise. If the membership wish to retain him in govt then that is also their choice and should he screw up again will be held responsible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 If that member of Govt deserves to be removed it should be up to the membership to remove him not a term of compromise. If the membership wish to retain him in govt then that is also their choice and should he screw up again will be held responsible. Removing government members is one of the traditional ways that alliances have to show that they do not support that government member's actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Apocalypse Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 This bush you're beating round sure is getting boring. Mind getting to the point of this cancellation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Slayer Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Good show Hoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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