War Has Begun: Germany Speaks

[Kaiser Martens]

The image of scarred-face General Tambarskjelve appeared on a worldwide transmission, with a German flag behind him. He was sitting in a simple desk, and had a simple black military uniform on him. He looked very serious, probably the most serious he'll ever look.

After all, war had begun. He began his speech with the oldschool "KM-start":

"Nations of the World,

People of Germany,

As I have the honor of addressing you all, the Roman Empire has declared war on us. Here I have the letter that their Emperor has personally sent us:

"Surrender. There is no need for your soldiers to needlessly die. Renounce your pagan ways, your destructive Martencist Ideology, and we will not occupy the country as invaders from another country, but as your friends and brothers.

Refuse, and we will continue in our wrath until your government stands no longer."

They have violated our neutrality. They are attempting to use us as an Ardennes Shortcut to get over to the Dutch-Lübeck Battlefield. But that is not all. They are warring us additionally also because of our Faith. "Renounce your pagan ways" you can all see for yourselves. That, and the Martencist Ideology are mentioned...

One must remember in the Austrian Civil war, these same rulers were the one that executed in their own territory each and every Martencist. They slaughtered (or forcefully converted) every single Pagan and every single Martencist in their own territory. The world sat idle. We managed to get a number of refugees that had just barely escaped death. But now they wish to expand these Genocidal tendencies beyond their borders.

Why should we be surprised at these Romans? Which, I must say, are only Romans in name. Only the Italian Nation has the right of using the word "Rome" in such a righteous manner. Yet this is all unimportant while millions are to die. Why should we be surprised? Austrians invented National Socialism. Now, they invented Martencism. To our south is the Land of Extremism. This is simply another historical step, another crusade to crush our freedoms.

They want us to quit our Religion and our Beliefs. But worse, they want to choose for us. They want to impose their own reality to crush our sovereignty. And they are doing so in the most irresponsible of ways. They offer us Friendship and Brotherhood - all while bombarding all of our positions.

I have been at war. I do not know if I should believe in the world. I come from Nordheim. We were almost wiped out for being Nordlanders by several policies, although those were more accidental and less murderously deliberate unlike these Romans'. But then, many nations of the world helped us out. As I stand and see the hatred and incoming wave of Roman-Made Mass Murder, my hope is to believe that the world will not stand for this. My hope is that somebody out there will support our peoples' right to their own culture and way of life, or, at least, our right to at least EXIST.

They have shown not only disrespect to the People in our Land but also to all international reason, by attacking us in spite of the complete lockdown and neutrality of the nation.

In spite of all that I have said, this does not stop here. It is, indeed, to get worse. The HRE is a nation which is far, far stronger than Germany in terms of economy and armament. They have pushed us to a war which is completely, absolutely and totally IMPOSSIBLE to win by conventional means, not only do they have vast numeric superiority but vast technological superiority in every way imaginable. What I am trying to say is, that if we wish to resist these invaders, we are going to have to use Nuclear Weaponry on their incoming troops. Not on their population. We simply have no means of fighting otherwise. They are activating the infamous "Mannelig's Trap" and forcing us to do the ONLY thing we can do to defend ourselves: Nuke.

I do not want that to happen.

But as it stands, if we give up here today, our Thought, our Philosophy, our Freedom, our Religion and Culture ARE dead: Every path is a path of blood.

We still have faith in the world. We still have faith that nations of the world will rise and help us fight for our freedom.

May Wodan guide our Generals, may Donnar guide our Soldiers, may the Valkyries side with us.

You will never break us.

Heil."

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The image of scarred-face General Tambarskjelve appeared on a worldwide transmission, with a German flag behind him. He was sitting in a simple desk, and had a simple black military uniform on him. He looked very serious, probably the most serious he'll ever look.

After all, war had begun. He began his speech with the oldschool "KM-start":

"Nations of the World,

People of Germany,

As I have the honor of addressing you all, the Roman Empire has declared war on us. Here I have the letter that their Emperor has personally sent us:

"Surrender. There is no need for your soldiers to needlessly die. Renounce your pagan ways, your destructive Martencist Ideology, and we will not occupy the country as invaders from another country, but as your friends and brothers.

Refuse, and we will continue in our wrath until your government stands no longer."

They have violated our neutrality. They are attempting to use us as an Ardennes Shortcut to get over to the Dutch-Lübeck Battlefield. But that is not all. They are warring us additionally also because of our Faith. "Renounce your pagan ways" you can all see for yourselves. That, and the Martencist Ideology are mentioned...

One must remember in the Austrian Civil war, these same rulers were the one that executed in their own territory each and every Martencist. They slaughtered (or forcefully converted) every single Pagan and every single Martencist in their own territory. The world sat idle. We managed to get a number of refugees that had just barely escaped death. But now they wish to expand these Genocidal tendencies beyond their borders.

Why should we be surprised at these Romans? Which, I must say, are only Romans in name. Only the Italian Nation has the right of using the word "Rome" in such a righteous manner. Yet this is all unimportant while millions are to die. Why should we be surprised? Austrians invented National Socialism. Now, they invented Martencism. To our south is the Land of Extremism. This is simply another historical step, another crusade to crush our freedoms.

They want us to quit our Religion and our Beliefs. But worse, they want to choose for us. They want to impose their own reality to crush our sovereignty. And they are doing so in the most irresponsible of ways. They offer us Friendship and Brotherhood - all while bombarding all of our positions.

I have been at war. I do not know if I should believe in the world. I come from Nordheim. We were almost wiped out for being Nordlanders by several policies, although those were more accidental and less murderously deliberate unlike these Romans'. But then, many nations of the world helped us out. As I stand and see the hatred and incoming wave of Roman-Made Mass Murder, my hope is to believe that the world will not stand for this. My hope is that somebody out there will support our peoples' right to their own culture and way of life, or, at least, our right to at least EXIST.

They have shown not only disrespect to the People in our Land but also to all international reason, by attacking us in spite of the complete lockdown and neutrality of the nation.

In spite of all that I have said, this does not stop here. It is, indeed, to get worse. The HRE is a nation which is far, far stronger than Germany in terms of economy and armament. They have pushed us to a war which is completely, absolutely and totally IMPOSSIBLE to win by conventional means, not only do they have vast numeric superiority but vast technological superiority in every way imaginable. What I am trying to say is, that if we wish to resist these invaders, we are going to have to use Nuclear Weaponry on their incoming troops. Not on their population. We simply have no means of fighting otherwise. They are activating the infamous "Mannelig's Trap" and forcing us to do the ONLY thing we can do to defend ourselves: Nuke.

I do not want that to happen.

But as it stands, if we give up here today, our Thought, our Philosophy, our Freedom, our Religion and Culture ARE dead: Every path is a path of blood.

We still have faith in the world. We still have faith that nations of the world will rise and help us fight for our freedom.

May Wodan guide our Generals, may Donnar guide our Soldiers, may the Valkyries side with us.

You will never break us.

Heil."

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This war would surely be the bloodiest yet.

[Sarah Tintagyl]

A message would be delivered from Brisbane to Albert Tanzband in Greater Germany, the envelope was white with gold lettering.

Dear Albert,

You do not know me though I have seen you multiple times in the past while you courted Her Ladyship, my Lady Protector, Sarah Tintagyl. The news has recently come to me of the announcement of your government of war in Europe. I know more than anyone that Hanseatic relations in Europe are in the most optimistic state of mind, abysmal, likewise the same goes for us here. You meant a great deal to her Ladyship and as such you mean a great deal to me as well. This is a war of aggression that I wish never needed to come to pass, all the wars in Europe, since Tion, since Helsinki, none of those needed to happen and we were all worse off, not better, from their existence.

I do not know what is happening in the world, to the world, everything. But I know the defense mechanism of Germany, 'the trap' and the devastation it will cause. I ramble because I am not sure what to do, I am writing this because I am not sure what the future holds for Europe or the rest of the world at this point. What I do know is that there was a love between you and Lady Sarah that could not be replicated and while she like a feather in the wind waffs across the world, your death and the death of your country would tear her apart. If there is anything that I can do, please let me know. Aggression of all kinds tears this world to shreds and we must all do our part to attempt to keep the balance on this Earth.

Yours truly,

Hannah Asgeirsson

Edited November 23, 2009 by Sarah Tintagyl

[Kaiser Martens]

He couldn't reply. Maybe it'd seem as if the letter had been lost. But he couldn't bring himself to reply, for feelings seemed to overwhelm him every time.

[Margrave]

A private letter would be sent by a courier to the General.

"My thoughts and prayers are with the great people of your country this day. It happens that the surrounding territory was once apart of the Marchlande, and we weep to see it torn, even so long after the passing of the Silver Revolution. We shall encourage our fellow citizens to decry this action and offer individual political support. Besides that, we will follow our Potentates will to the letter.

Signed,

Luis De Luit

Keeper, General HMC, Ret.

[Michael McBride]

**PRIVATE**

Commanding General Horace B. Rayburn stood by President Tom Dobbs in Redemptio.

"Once again, war breaks out and Europe and nuclear war is threatened."

"What action are we taking, Mr. President?"

"Nothing, Horace. We don't get involved. Is the SDI running at 100% over the new territories?"

"Indeed, sir. The tests just finished today."

"Excellent. Prepare my bunker in the city in case things really go south."

"Of course, Mr. President."

[iamthey]

*Private to Germany*

"We find the actions of the Holy Roman Empire wholly deplorable. For all the criticism the EU has taken for its original manhandling of the HRE; it seems as though our original assumptions about the Austrian nation, and its character were correct. Despite the repeated signs they have given off from their initial establishment, to their gross declarations of land claims, their frequent interventions, their genocidal behavior against the nords, and now this, they have been to this point allowed to remain. That being said it is fairly clear now that their continued presence in Europe as a formal government cannot be tolerated. While the situation is young, and we are still attempting to ascertain a course of action, I assure you I personally will do everything in my power to see this resolved." - Thomas Devereaux, High Magistrate; Greater Pacifica

*Private*

The Vanguard Division, along with the Royal Marines have been dispatched to Europe where they will seek approval to land in Greater Dalmatia. From there they will await further orders. Marc Stephens, Lord Marshal of the Royal Marines has been placed in command of all Pacifican European forces. A secondary force of 200,000 additional soldiers, and 2000 additional mechanized units has been issued orders to dispatch to Europe along with a Naval Task Force set to leave from Wellington; the secondary force is set to arrive within a week.

The troop orders issued by the Magistrate stipulate that the move is a pre-emptive one made in anticipation of EU action.

OOC: Also did you mean to post the same message twice?

Edited November 23, 2009 by iamthey

[Uberstein]

"The Republic of Finland cannot support either side of this war. Germany's instant report to Nuclear weapons is despicable, but as is the religious prejudice in the Holy Roman Empire's declaration of war. We hope this war will end soon.

I remind both warring parties that the Ubersteinian estate is the private property of President Uberstein and not a part of the Holy Roman Empire, and thus any invasion of this territory will be a declaration of war against the Republic of Finland." -Republic of Finland Office of Foreign Affairs.

[Kaiser Martens]

(To Iamthey) "In your words we find the hope and inspiration we need for the battle. Thank you."

Germany's instant report to Nuclear weapons is despicable

The army that they have fielded is much bigger than our entire army, and that is only a small portion of their land forces, even if we were to defeat this, they would still be able to find another army twice as big. Furthermore, their technology is much more advanced, WE would need to outnumber them three to one to beat them.

We are putting forth this message in order not to HAVE to use Nuclear Weaponry. If we wanted to use them, we would have done so. We are hoping that enough Nations will step up that we will not need to use them.

Edited November 23, 2009 by Kaiser Martens

[AmpaSand]

From the Provisional Government of Magadanskaya

The Holy Roman Empire of German Nation has started the catalyst for more death and mayhem throughout Europe. An unprovoked attack based on the most subjective of all opinions. Any history book will tell you that almost any asymetrical war or any evenly matched war in Europe caused a nuclear exchange, so, upon the heads of The Holy Roman Empire be the souls of the dead. We, the Republic of Magadanskaya, plead for both you and Deutschland to pledge not to use weapons of mass destruction, and instead meet at the negotiating table. We also call for the nations of the world to take a stance and to sway this conflict, not with bullets and bombs, but rather their words and diplomatic weight, for all that is won in war is grief.

To Deutschland: We offer humanitarian aid and the presence of trained medical staff, to assist in the moving and treating of civilians. We can help with the establishment and running of refugee camps but cannot promise too much, as we know our small countries limits. Our contacts with the international White Cross humanitarian agency are being activated, and we wish to help you weather this ill storm.

Edited November 23, 2009 by AmpaSand

[Generalissimo]

Mannelig's Trap is a moronic open-ended invitation to mutually assured destruction.

In this instance if Deutschland actually nukes the Holy Roman Empire's response will be proportional nuclear force, leveling both countries with upwards of fifty atomic weapons. . . leaving a significant percentage of both countries dead.

If Deutschland carries out this threat it will prove that pagan ways and Martencist ideology are as destructive the Holy Roman Empire claim; it will prove beyond doubt Deutschland in any incarnation is unworthy of existence.

From the office of Liska Atka, acting Generalissimo of Procinctia

Edited November 23, 2009 by Generalissimo

[iamthey]

Mannelig's Trap is a moronic open-ended invitation to mutually assured destruction.

In this instance if Deutschland actually nukes the Holy Roman Empire's response will be proportional nuclear force, leveling both countries with upwards of fifty atomic weapons. . . leaving a significant percentage of both countries dead.

If Deutschland carries out this threat it will prove that pagan ways and Martencist ideology are as destructive the Holy Roman Empire claim; it will prove beyond doubt Deutschland in any incarnation is unworthy of existence.

From the office of Liska Atka, acting Generalissimo of Procinctia

"So instead they should allow themselves to be wiped out by the Holy Roman Empire; yes an excellent alternative. It is also possible to utilize nuclear weapons without targeting population centers." - Victoria Blake

Edited November 23, 2009 by iamthey

[Uberstein]

"So instead they should allow themselves to be wiped out by the Holy Roman Empire; yes an excellent alternative." - Victoria Blake

"People really seem to no longer have an imagination. I think it's all the radiation, it gets to their heads. I'm not here tell people how to fight their wars, but there is always another way to fight that doesn't include nukes." -President Uberstein.

[V The King]

"Whenever Europe levels itself, it seems to be rebuilt for the sole purpose of doing precisely the same thing over and over again."

[Generalissimo]

"So instead they should allow themselves to be wiped out by the Holy Roman Empire; yes an excellent alternative. It is also possible to utilize nuclear weapons without targeting population centers." - Victoria Blake

Mannelig inspired deployments have always ended in nuclear annihilation. . . there’s a very reason it’s called Mannelig’s Trap, emphasis on trap.

If it has always, yes always, led to catastrophe in the past why would it not lead to cataclysm in the present? -Liska Atka

Edited November 23, 2009 by Generalissimo

[Amyante]

Mannelig inspired deployments have always ended in nuclear annihilation. . . there’s a very reason it’s called Mannelig’s Trap, emphasis on trap.

If it has always, yes always, led to catastrophe in the past why would it not lead to cataclysm in the present? -Liska Atka

*** Public ***

"And such would have been an excellent deterrent against war, would it not? Having a trap is one thing, but it requires someone to spring it first, and that is what the HRE is doing right now. Deutschland has stated that under the circumstances it would have to choose between mutual nuclear annihilation and a one-sided slaughter, hence why we must prevent this war from happening. In doing so, we would ensure the Mannelig's Trap would not be sprung in the first place."

*** Private ***

- "Hey Ulrica, are those rad cleanup teams back from Furon yet?"

"Hmm... Yeah, they got back last week, why?"

- "Put them back on alert again... After this is over they get twice the normal leave to make up for it."

"Gotcha."

*** Classified to Deutschland ***

"Under the banner of the White Cross, teams of engineers, soldiers and rad cleanup teams are standing by to assist you with rebuilding. These are mostly the same teams that have been sent in after the famine, so they would have previous experience in working in your country. We hope these will not be necessary."

*** Classified to the Holy Roman Empire ***

"Under the banner of the White Cross, teams of engineers, soldiers and rad cleanup teams are standing by to assist you with rebuilding should they be necessary. Nevertheless, we sincerely urge you to reconsider going to war against Deutschland, thus springing Mannelig's Trap and turning Europe into an irradiated wasteland. You are seen as the aggressors in this conflict, and there would be many blaming the subsequent nuclear armageddon on you, which would only lead to more wars in turn."

[Lynneth]

As I have the honor of addressing you all, the Roman Empire has declared war on us. Here I have the letter that their Emperor has personally sent us:

"Surrender. There is no need for your soldiers to needlessly die. Renounce your pagan ways, your destructive Martencist Ideology, and we will not occupy the country as invaders from another country, but as your friends and brothers.
Refuse, and we will continue in our wrath until your government stands no longer."

"Forged, nothing more, nothing less. I would have never sent such a thing without the approval of both the Parliament and the Imperial Chancellor. And even then, it would have to be signed by the Chancellor, as well."

They have violated our neutrality. They are attempting to use us as an Ardennes Shortcut to get over to the Dutch-Lübeck Battlefield. But that is not all. They are warring us additionally also because of our Faith. "Renounce your pagan ways" you can all see for yourselves. That, and the Martencist Ideology are mentioned...

"This has nothing to do with the war in the Netherlands. Even without it, this would have happened. Perhaps you should have been somewhat smarter and seen that the 'cake' incident was merely an attempt to probe your defenses. That the Netherlands invaded Lubeck some time earlier is an unfortunate coincidence."

One must remember in the Austrian Civil war, these same rulers were the one that executed in their own territory each and every Martencist. They slaughtered (or forcefully converted) every single Pagan and every single Martencist in their own territory. The world sat idle. We managed to get a number of refugees that had just barely escaped death. But now they wish to expand these Genocidal tendencies beyond their borders.

"Such a thing never happened. These people died because they attempted to overthrow our government and fought to the last man. We have lost many more loyal citizens than Martencist supporters that were killed during the battles against the rebels. Do you think we killed those people on our own? Of course not; They were slaughtered like sheep by these rebellious scum."

Why should we be surprised at these Romans? Which, I must say, are only Romans in name. Only the Italian Nation has the right of using the word "Rome" in such a righteous manner. Yet this is all unimportant while millions are to die. Why should we be surprised? Austrians invented National Socialism. Now, they invented Martencism. To our south is the Land of Extremism. This is simply another historical step, another crusade to crush our freedoms.

"Neither National Socialism nor Martencism were invented by us. It was invented by germans who were then misled by fascists, an ideology that wasn't 'invented' by us, either.

Regarding freedoms, that has been discussed often enough in the past. Never has there been any kind of conclusion or agreement. We will not argue with your claims, because you will not yield, anyways."

They want us to quit our Religion and our Beliefs. But worse, they want to choose for us. They want to impose their own reality to crush our sovereignty. And they are doing so in the most irresponsible of ways. They offer us Friendship and Brotherhood - all while bombarding all of our positions.

"I couldn't care less about what you believe. Do you see us condemning the Italians for believing in Norse religions?

No. This is a simple matter of your ideology. It is the ideology of chaos, destruction and failure, of incredible stubborness and militaristic fascism. In the past, Martencism and its offshots brought nothing but destruction to Europe. We plan to end this sooner or later. This is a war, yes. A war that is a great sacrifice for our people to make, attacking their brethren and family, to free the continent from an ideology that brought nothing but war and destruction - nuclear or otherwise."

I have been at war. I do not know if I should believe in the world. I come from Nordheim. We were almost wiped out for being Nordlanders by several policies, although those were more accidental and less murderously deliberate unlike these Romans'. But then, many nations of the world helped us out. As I stand and see the hatred and incoming wave of Roman-Made Mass Murder, my hope is to believe that the world will not stand for this. My hope is that somebody out there will support our peoples' right to their own culture and way of life, or, at least, our right to at least EXIST.

"Those who resist, will be retaliated upon. Those who yield and surrender will be treated as brothers. We are no mass-murderers, who kill for the joy of killing."

In spite of all that I have said, this does not stop here. It is, indeed, to get worse. The HRE is a nation which is far, far stronger than Germany in terms of economy and armament. They have pushed us to a war which is completely, absolutely and totally IMPOSSIBLE to win by conventional means, not only do they have vast numeric superiority but vast technological superiority in every way imaginable. What I am trying to say is, that if we wish to resist these invaders, we are going to have to use Nuclear Weaponry on their incoming troops. Not on their population. We simply have no means of fighting otherwise. They are activating the infamous "Mannelig's Trap" and forcing us to do the ONLY thing we can do to defend ourselves: Nuke.

I do not want that to happen.

But as it stands, if we give up here today, our Thought, our Philosophy, our Freedom, our Religion and Culture ARE dead: Every path is a path of blood.

We still have faith in the world. We still have faith that nations of the world will rise and help us fight for our freedom.

May Wodan guide our Generals, may Donnar guide our Soldiers, may the Valkyries side with us.

You will never break us.

Heil."

"The Holy Roman Empire will not use nuclear weapons, even if you do resort to using these abominable devices. We are above using them, as should you. Fight honorably, die honorably, if you must. But if you use nuclear weapons, we will make sure that those who are responsible for launching them will suffer a fate worse than death."

[Executive Minister]

From the Office of Nyani Oshibutu, Ministry of Foreign Affairs for the Nation of Nod

We formally condemn the 'Holy' Roman Empire's blatant aggression and belligerence. Furthermore, we recognize the HRE's full responsibility for the ensuing European conflict.

While we have no prior affiliations with Deutschland and its 'Martencist' ideals and governing body, we would like to express our unwavering support of their announcement. We applaud the intent of the Martencists to stand up to a vastly superior power, and respect their intent of using nuclear weapons on their own soil as it is only with these weapons the Northern Germans have a hope of forstalling the Roman menace. We recognize that the Martencist government is prepared to undergo great sacrifice in order to destroy incoming enemy personnel and materiel at the cost of their nation's beauty.

We regret that we can do no more than voice our solidarity with the Martencists, as this conflict is well beyond our military capabilities. Let the upcoming months be a lesson for those who wish to impose themselves upon others, with a false notion of 'moral superiority' or justice. If there is ever a time for the bleeding hearts who have previously denounced the actions of past governments and their actions in the name of freedom and democracy, it is now.

All we hear is silence. Where are their voices of indignation now?

Where are the voices decrying the abundantly clear intentions of the HRE to create havoc and chaos in Deutschland? Is it because the Northern Germanic people do not follow Democracy or Monarchy? Perhaps it is because they are simply Northern Germans? The HRE's offers of friendship and brotherhood are simple and laughable attempts to gain moral justification for an unjustifiable action. No self respecting nation should ever be expected to meet terms such as these.

The HRE has no jurisdiction over anyone over themselves and their protectorates. They can no more demand another, sovereign entity change their religion and ideology, the two fundamental roots of a contemporary society, as they can order a pear to become a banana.

To the HRE,

You would be loathe to continue this campaign. There is no honour to be had here, you are making yourselves out to be fools.

Do you honestly believe you will accomplish anything in this wanton display? You can kill a man, god forbid a nation, but you can never kill an ideal. Your people, if actually given the freedoms you openly boast about will surely display their sorrow at the unneeded losses of your sons and daughters in this conflict.

If the Martencists have half the resolve they express in their announcements, this war will be quite like driving a metal spike into your head. Sure you will gain something, but you most definitely will lose something as well.

-Nyani Oshibutu, Ministry of Foreign Affairs for the Nation of Nod

Edited November 23, 2009 by Executive Minister

[Sargun II]

President Obama issued a statement condemning the unwarranted attack on Germany.

Privately, he sent a coded message to the HRE wishing they had at least faked a damn good CB.

Standard Carthaginian procedure of closing the straits to all military vessels applies, though since this is a land war it seems hardly necessary.

OOC:

[Centurius]

Declaration from the Phoenix

The Phoenix Empire strongly condemns the threat of using Nuclear Weapons in a First Strike, while the Empire will remain neutral due to the nature of the war we will stand by our friends. Should a single Weapon of Mass Destruction be fired towards the HRE or a single 3rd party get involved in the war on German side we will interefere on behalf of the HRE. Be warned.

[Cody Seb]

So if any of Germany's defensive allies come to their aid, on their soil no less, you will activate a defensive treaty, invading Germany and not actually participating in any defensive actions whatsoever? It is despicable when the world has such a blindly high view of nations like the Pheonix Empire and the Holy Roman Empire that these nations are allowed to perpetrate war crimes and thoughtless and genocidal invasions and campaigns. The world despises us simply because we do not hide our true colors, but the world will bed with treacherous, genocidal, and lying wolves. Mark our words, do not follow your current policy of stubborn refusal to listen to our valid points, see the situation for what it is, an atrocity, born of the unwarranted and ridiculously blind trust in the Holy Roman Empire by the world.

Edited November 23, 2009 by Cody Seb

[Lynneth]

So if any of Germany's defensive allies come to their aid, on their soil no less, you will activate a defensive treaty, invading Germany and not actually participating in any defensive actions whatsoever? It is despicable when the world has such a blindly high view of nations like the Pheonix Empire and the Holy Roman Empire that these nations are allowed to perpetrate war crimes and thoughtless and genocidal invasions and campaigns. The world despises us simply because we do not hide our true colors, but the world will bed with treacherous, genocidal, and lying wolves. Mark our words, do not follow your current policy of stubborn refusal to listen to our valid points, see the situation for what it is, an atrocity, born of the unwarranted and ridiculously blind trust in the Holy Roman Empire by the world.

"Germany has only one treaty.

With the Netherlands. The EU is not allied with Germany, and thus has no truly valid Casus Belli to intervene for defense; There is no defense pact connecting them."

[Uberstein]

"I do not see how the Holy Roman Empire could be genocidal, seeing how both sides in this war are German. If they WERE genocidal, I expect that they would have all shot themselves by now....but I don't see that happening." -President Uberstein

[SpacingOutMan]

"Germany has only one treaty.

With the Netherlands. The EU is not allied with Germany, and thus has no truly valid Casus Belli to intervene for defense; There is no defense pact connecting them."

They would require no defense pact to defend the lives of innocent Germans, and therefore innocent Europeans, should they feel the moral obligation. This world isn't set by a strict moral writ, and all consequences are rendered by haphazard actions such as your own. You claim they have no casus belli, but you fail to understand what a casus belli is. A casus belli requires no justification as it is the case of war, not the cause of war. A casus belli did exist once you invaded Germany because both states were in a case of war. By terms of treaty they would have no just ad bellum, but morally they would. Bite your tongue when they can come fully around and haunt you until the end of time.

You infringed upon their sovereignty so should any nation come forth and attack your sovereignty, your tears will fall from crocodile eyes and the world will move on rather quickly at the behest of your hypocrisy.

[Cody Seb]

"Germany has only one treaty.

With the Netherlands. The EU is not allied with Germany, and thus has no truly valid Casus Belli to intervene for defense; There is no defense pact connecting them."

"I was not referring to the EU, simply pointing out that the Phoenix Empire is attempting to justify an aggressive invasion using a defense pact. As for the genocide, the definition of genocide is not trapped with race or ethnicity, but also extends to ideology as well."

[Lynneth]

"I was not referring to the EU, simply pointing out that the Phoenix Empire is attempting to justify an aggressive invasion using a defense pact. As for the genocide, the definition of genocide is not trapped with race or ethnicity, but also extends to ideology as well."

"The Phoenix Empire stated that an attack on us by nation other than Deutschland (or the Netherlands, who we were at war with before this due to them invading Lubeck) will lead to the Phoenix Empire to intervene. Nothing more, nothing less. You appear to be putting words into their mouths."