HellAngel Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 No, MCRABT, the point is, some people desperately need drama. Tell them TOP, IRON and ODN cant stand each other anymore and they will be satisfied and leave us alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 This is definitely a good move by all three parties in my opinion, Aqua has a free senate and has grown to be one of the strongest spheres, much respect all round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proximus Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 TOP, ODN, and IRON can't stand each other anymore. Happy, you vultures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigrun Vapneir Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 An excellent decision. I hail the wisdom of all concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyber Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Glad to see this finally come about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrnea Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 About time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ch33kY Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Here's to free and fair elections. Now just tell me who we need to vote for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wu Tang Clan Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Wow. The fun is beginning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Very nice, but would change nothing because ODN/TOP/IRON will still hold the senate chairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberland Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 o/ OrangeSimple, Orange is no longer the sole domain of these 3 alliances. The treaty doesn't reflect the true nature of the team any more. De facto the treaty was already of low value as senate rotation was already a very common thing on orange. I believe there have been times all three senate seats went to another alliance then the three above this announcement. Very well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homura Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 The problem with the Orange senate treaty is that although it does emphasise cooperation, it also emphasises the sovereign right of IRON, TOP and ODN and thus cooperation is exclusive to these three alliances. With the dissolution of this treaty any orange alliance can cooperate with another to freely compete in the senate independent of these three alliances and if they are coordinated enough to do this, then in my opinion they merit the reward.EDIT: For clarification IRON is more than happy with one senate seat and has no intention of competing for more than one if that was what you were getting at. They weren't exactly precluded from doing that before, unless the threat of an Orange War or similar hostilities were hanging over their heads. Was another alliance specifically interested in seeking a senate seat? I have a hard time believing all these alliances just spontaneously got together and had a conversation like this: ODN: hey wanna cancel the Orange Senate Treaty? TOP: sure. IRON: fine with me. ODN: cool beans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattski133 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I approve of this message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wu Tang Clan Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 They weren't exactly precluded from doing that before, unless the threat of an Orange War or similar hostilities were hanging over their heads. Was another alliance specifically interested in seeking a senate seat? I have a hard time believing all these alliances just spontaneously got together and had a conversation like this:ODN: hey wanna cancel the Orange Senate Treaty? TOP: sure. IRON: fine with me. ODN: cool beans. That's exactly how that conversation worked. Or you can listen to all the posts and it becomes obvious: This was cancelled because they loved each other too much. They decided that just splitting senate seats wasn't enough and now they're going to all merge or something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kencojenko Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Pretty much all of us were already rotating seats anyway so the OST held little to no relevence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proximus Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Not as much as we were rotating Jenko's mom though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursarkar E Creed Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 That's exactly how that conversation worked. Or you can listen to all the posts and it becomes obvious: This was cancelled because they loved each other too much. They decided that just splitting senate seats wasn't enough and now they're going to all merge or something... Independant Order of Defensive Nations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proximus Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) Clearly with the record that 2 of the 3 alliance have it would be better called the Independent Defensive Paradox, because the notion that TOP or ODN would actually defend someone is quite contradictory of itself. *edit* spelling Edited October 23, 2009 by Proximus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursarkar E Creed Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Clearly with the record that 2 of the 3 alliance have it would be better called the Independent Defensive Paradox, because the notion that TOP or ODN would actually defend someone is quite contradictory of itself.*edit* spelling You've just started an endless downward spiral of "no u, we can fight whenever we want" in this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wu Tang Clan Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Clearly with the record that 2 of the 3 alliance have it would be better called the Independent Defensive Paradox, because the notion that TOP or ODN would actually defend someone is quite contradictory of itself.*edit* spelling Whatever salts your pickle. I just wish people didn't say: "We just cancelled this because we thought it was time. Still love our orange friends." Obviously it was cancelled for a reason, and not seeing any orange alliance with a legit shot at stealing one of the senate seats... why now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proximus Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 It was where the thread was headed anyway, I merely accelerated the process so everyone could quit with their conspiracy theories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursarkar E Creed Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Conspiracy theories are better than everyone bickering about how they can fight and this was clearly just a dropped treaty for the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proximus Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Jenko pretty much hit it right on the head though. All the alliances involved have been seat swapping for a while, and there's no need for this swapping to be viewed as " [ODN/IRON/TOP] is nice enough to give up their seat to a smaller ally" it should just be seen as "X alliances are working together to hold a seat in their name" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursarkar E Creed Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 FOK probably wanted a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattski133 Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 An entity like LEO could score themselves a seat now, if they weren't busy voting for someone else...oh wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCRABT Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) They weren't exactly precluded from doing that before, unless the threat of an Orange War or similar hostilities were hanging over their heads. Was another alliance specifically interested in seeking a senate seat? I have a hard time believing all these alliances just spontaneously got together and had a conversation like this:ODN: hey wanna cancel the Orange Senate Treaty? TOP: sure. IRON: fine with me. ODN: cool beans. It went something like this: Session Start: Thu Oct 22 19:08:22 2009 19:08 • Topic: Pull up a chair and relax. 19:08 • Set by SomeGuy[sleep] on [Thursday, October 22nd 2009, 14:46:28] 19:08 &DrDan|AFK • Hey Finster 19:09 FinsterBaby[iRON] • Hey Dan 19:09 • Arsenal [modedit] has joined #diplodome 19:09 Arsenal • Howdy. 19:09 &DrDan|AFK • Hello Aresenal 19:09 FinsterBaby[iRON] • Hello Arsenal. 19:09 &DrDan|AFK • Basically, we just wanted to talk about the OST. 19:09 Arsenal • I was under the impression that TOP wished to withdraw and that IRON was leaning that way also. 19:09 &DrDan|AFK › nods 19:10 &DrDan|AFK • I believe we contacted you (and merlin) about that happening 19:10 FinsterBaby[iRON] • Us at IRON have come to the decision that the OST has outlived its usefulness - when it was designed, it was necessary. Not so much now. 19:10 Arsenal • ODN is more or less in agreement. 19:10 &DrDan|AFK • Alright, great. 19:11 &DrDan|AFK • If we're all in agreement, perhaps we can make a join announcement? 19:11 &DrDan|AFK • joint* 19:11 Arsenal • Absolutely. 19:11 &DrDan|AFK • Wunderbar. 19:11 Arsenal • We have formally voted to withdraw/cancel, so we can go whenever. 19:11 FinsterBaby[iRON] • We don't have a problem with a joint announcement 19:12 &DrDan|AFK • Excellent. 19:12 &DrDan|AFK • Does anyone want to do the announcement or shall I? 19:12 &DrDan|AFK • The OP, that is 19:12 FinsterBaby[iRON] • lemme think a minute 19:13 &DrDan|AFK • I was just thinking that whoever announces could say something along the lines of it unanimously being agreed to be canceled, etc. 19:13 FinsterBaby[iRON] • with no animonsity or anything like that 19:14 &DrDan|AFK • Of course. 19:14 Arsenal • Yep. 19:14 &DrDan|AFK • If you guys have links to your flags 19:14 &DrDan|AFK • I can get that going. 19:14 &DrDan|AFK • And signatures 19:14 FinsterBaby[iRON] • I'll send them to you on TOP's forums Dan 19:14 &DrDan|AFK • Actually, we probably don't need signatures 19:15 &DrDan|AFK • NVm 19:15 Arsenal • You want to make the announcement tonight? 19:15 &DrDan|AFK • Ok, great Finster 19:15 FinsterBaby[iRON] • but I can get you a flag. 19:15 &DrDan|AFK • Yeah, may as well. 19:15 FinsterBaby[iRON] • either tonight or tomorrow - I wanna give IRON members a heads up first. 19:16 &DrDan|AFK • Ah, tomorrow then? 19:16 Arsenal • Let me dig up a flag... 19:16 &DrDan|AFK • We're ready whenever 19:16 Arsenal • We're fine with whenever. 19:16 FinsterBaby[iRON] • I just want to get something posted - if you can wait till closer to update that would be good for me. 19:16 &DrDan|AFK • Ah, I usually am in bed 2 hours before update due to work. 19:16 &DrDan|AFK • Old man 19:16 &DrDan|AFK • Anyways, I will just do it in the morning 19:16 &DrDan|AFK • when I wake up 19:17 &DrDan|AFK • 5 hours after update or so 19:17 FinsterBaby[iRON] • Thats fine too 19:17 Arsenal • I have to work three hours to update. D: 19:17 Arsenal • Until five after update. 19:17 Arsenal • So I suppose I'd be good to go then. 19:17 &DrDan|AFK • Overnight or not from the USA? 19:17 Arsenal • Overnight this week. 19:17 FinsterBaby[iRON] • I'll be sleeping my $@! off. xD 19:17 &DrDan|AFK • lol 19:18 FinsterBaby[iRON] • *looks at $@!* and boy do I need it. 19:18 &DrDan|AFK › looks at Finster 19:18 &DrDan|AFK • Hrm, baby got back? 19:18 &DrDan|AFK • Ok 19:18 &DrDan|AFK • I'll do it tomorrow morning then 19:18 &DrDan|AFK • Flags, send me on TOP forums or CN forums 19:18 &DrDan|AFK • Dr. Dan is the username in either 19:18 FinsterBaby[iRON] • Ok great. I'll get you that flag and a sig block. Your choice whether or not you use it. 19:19 FinsterBaby[iRON] • Also, one more thing. While the OST might be dissolved, you have my assurance that IRON won't deliberately make a play to hold more than one seat. 19:19 &DrDan|AFK • Yes, things are going to be as they are now for us, mostly. 19:21 Arsenal • Likewise here. Jenko pretty much hit it right on the head though. All the alliances involved have been seat swapping for a while, and there's no need for this swapping to be viewed as " [ODN/IRON/TOP] is nice enough to give up their seat to a smaller ally" it should just be seen as "X alliances are working together to hold a seat in their name" this. Edited October 24, 2009 by The Eye ModEdit: hostmask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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