Penkala Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Probably has something to do with that coup from last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChairmanHal Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) Probably has something to do with that coup from last week. I see...so then are we getting closer to the truth? EDIT: OP might as well spill it if you are going to at all Edited October 16, 2009 by ChairmanHal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iotupa Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 I remember when Green used to be a good sphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) I see...so then are we getting closer to the truth?EDIT: OP might as well spill it if you are going to at all Yes and no. Like Seth said, all pertinent information will be made readily available when and if the necessary time comes. I remember when Green used to be a good sphere. Oh it still is, GUN has not been a Green alliance for a while Edited October 16, 2009 by Il Impero Romano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Boris Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Yes and no. Like Seth said, all pertinent information will be made readily available when and if the necessary time comes. So when OV and allies go ahead and curbstomp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) So when OV and allies go ahead and curbstomp. Of course not. A curb stomp is a manufactured war for the presumable purpose of getting technology from surrender terms, and I trust OV and her allies would never, ever partake in such a thing. Why you assume we would or where you have ever seen an example of that type of previous behavior I have no idea, because personally I can only think of character examples that would point to the opposite (i.e. OV's only major war was a defensive one). Also, this is a treaty cancellation, not a DoW. Edited October 16, 2009 by Il Impero Romano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desperado Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) Of course not. A curb stomp is a manufactured war for the presumable purpose of getting technology from surrender terms, and I trust OV and her allies would never, ever partake in such a thing. Why you assume we would or where you have ever seen an example of that type of previous behavior I have no idea, because personally I can only think of character examples that would point to the opposite (i.e. OV's only major war was a defensive one). Touche, Sir. They've been in more than 1 war and that does appear to be a curbstomp. Edited October 16, 2009 by Desperado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Touche, Sir. They've been in more than 1 war and that does appear to be a curbstomp. They hardly even attacked them, then tried to help them rewrite their charter and give them overall guidance to succeed(even offered a protectorate if I recall) :x I could see where it could be seen as otherwise without being there though haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sethb Posted October 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Touche, Sir. They've been in more than 1 war and that does appear to be a curbstomp. If you consider that a major war, then sure. Also, as a former member of USA, I can say that we deserved that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquilos Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Of course not. A curb stomp is a manufactured war for the presumable purpose of getting technology from surrender terms, and I trust OV and her allies would never, ever partake in such a thing. Why you assume we would or where you have ever seen an example of that type of previous behavior I have no idea, because personally I can only think of character examples that would point to the opposite (i.e. OV's only major war was a defensive one). Also, this is a treaty cancellation, not a DoW. Let's not argue over semantics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tromp Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Heh heh, this might just spice up my day. Might not. We'll see. Pff. I don't think so. Anyway, interesting development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iotupa Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Oh it still is... This is certainly a matter up to some interpretation. I would say the majority of people realize that Green is not a good sphere any longer, and has not been for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daboo Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I just have to say that is a very sweet-looking banner, OV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadshot Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I've found quite the opposite to be true, but like all good things, an explanation will come in time. Uh-oh. That doesn't sound very good for GUN, which is a shmae because I love those guys. I truly hope this can all be settled peacefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Logan Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Uh-oh. That doesn't sound very good for GUN, which is a shame because I love those guys. I truly hope this can all be settled peacefully. Agreed. Zen was a former GUNner and went home after the fit hit the shan with OV. I know I have nowhere close to all the facts, but from what the little birdies tell me, Zen tried to change the masking to get rid of Seth after he returned to coup OV with the support of VE. For that, he's being punished. I'm sure there's another side, but the only thing that's clear to me at this moment is that Zen was sitting government in an alliance that was threatened by coup and took action to protect his alliance. I'm not sure how that could be dishonorable...but again, I don't know the full story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley Smith Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I remember when Green used to be a good sphere. you must be really old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iotupa Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) Agreed. Zen was a former GUNner and went home after the fit hit the shan with OV. I know I have nowhere close to all the facts, but from what the little birdies tell me, Zen tried to change the masking to get rid of Seth after he returned to coup OV with the support of VE. For that, he's being punished. I'm sure there's another side, but the only thing that's clear to me at this moment is that Zen was sitting government in an alliance that was threatened by coup and took action to protect his alliance. I'm not sure how that could be dishonorable...but again, I don't know the full story. I remember when VE government was coup'd with the help of NPO. History tends to repeat itself apparently. you must be really old. Oh, I am. And I feel it every day. Edited October 17, 2009 by Jonathan Brookbank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Impero Romano Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Agreed. Zen was a former GUNner and went home after the fit hit the shan with OV. I know I have nowhere close to all the facts, but from what the little birdies tell me, Zen tried to change the masking to get rid of Seth after he returned to coup OV with the support of VE. For that, he's being punished. I'm sure there's another side, but the only thing that's clear to me at this moment is that Zen was sitting government in an alliance that was threatened by coup and took action to protect his alliance. I'm not sure how that could be dishonorable...but again, I don't know the full story. Ugh, no...you need better sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernkastel Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) ... Zen tried to change the masking to get rid of Seth ... Disappointing it apparently failed, assuming its correct. I am disappoint. Edited October 17, 2009 by Beatrice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) In accordance with Article VII. of the Hookers and Blow treaty with the Global United Nations, Ordo Verde hereby gives public notice of the cancellation of this treaty. We do not wish to have an ally that would provide those wishing to cause us harm a hiding place. How did they cause you harm? Full story please Edited October 17, 2009 by Willem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Logan Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) Anything I say is pure speculation. I'm just curious to find out more. I've known Zen and his character for a long time. There are always 3 sides to every story, and I have to believe that Zen acted in the best interest of the then government of OV. If that is the case, then his agenda and Seth's would have opposed each other, naturally. That wouldn't make him wrong though. No point in saying more unless either or all sides are going to present their interpretation of the facts. I just hope that cooler heads will prevail in this situation. Edited October 17, 2009 by Gabe Logan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shimmer Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 I wish you the best GUN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airgialla Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) Seth, our two alliances have been friends for a long time and I'm genuinely saddened that you reacted in such a manner within twenty four hours of coming to us with your complaint. Our friendship meant quite a lot to us and we could only have wished that you allowed us more time to become fully aware of the facts surrounding this situation. I hope you understand that we find it incredibly difficult to simply sacrifice one of our members at a moments notice. A member who has been a former leader of GUN and a close friend to many of us within the alliance. We were examining all the information provided to us when you announced the dissolution of our treaty. Our decision was to be a difficult one and it has been made much worse. Much of the information given to us comes from a third party, one we neither know nor have reason to trust, and you expect us to act on it with little consideration. An official GUN statement is forthcoming. Edited October 17, 2009 by Airgialla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sethb Posted October 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 A full explanation from OV is forthcoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Jack Diorno, in before declarations of war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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