comrade nikonov Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 TO THE IMPERIAL JAPANESE NATION: THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION GIVES THE IMPERIAL JAPANESE NATION 72 HOURS TO CEDE SAKHALIN AND KURILE ISLANDS TO THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION. FAILURE TO COMPLY WILL RESULT IN CONFLICT In the December of 2010, the Russian people was humiliated when Japan occupied Sakhalin and Kurilia once again. But now, 70 years since World War II, our peace treaty was never signed, and we are ready to continue our war against Japan if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 "We condemn this ultimatum. Those islands are the sovereign land of Japan." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 They were stolen from us in 1905. Uncle Stalin took great strives to recover them in the Great Patriotic War, and they were taken again. Thus, we must take our price, muster our strength, and recover them once again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 They were stolen from us in 1905. Uncle Stalin took great strives to recover them in the Great Patriotic War, and they were taken again. Thus, we must take our price, muster our strength, and recover them once again! "Why must blood be shed for the sake of a few square miles of ground? So what if they used to be yours? The key words are 'used to'." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 What if we occupied your Alaska? So will you forget? Japan occupied it 2 years ago. The wound is fresh in our hearts, and we must seek to heal it. Our soldiers are ready to die for the Motherland, as their grandfathers had done in the Great Patriotic War. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 What if we occupied your Alaska? So will you forget? Japan occupied it 2 years ago. The wound is fresh in our hearts, and we must seek to heal it. Our soldiers are ready to die for the Motherland, as their grandfathers had done in the Great Patriotic War. "That's not the same scenario. The purchase of Alaska and Russia's ultimatum to Japan have no similarities." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Of course. The legal purchase of Alaska was a transfer of land agreed upon two nations, whereas the occupation of Sakhalin and Kuriles are the military occupation of Russian sovereign land, which the United States recognizes in the Treaty of San Francisco, 1954. Our metaphorical scenario was that during a time of turbulence, we seized upon the opportunity and took over Alaska? How will you respond? Unless you do nothing, you have no right to criticize our defense of sovereign land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Of course. The legal purchase of Alaska was a transfer of land agreed upon two nations, whereas the occupation of Sakhalin and Kuriles are the military occupation of Russian sovereign land, which the United States recognizes in the Treaty of San Francisco, 1954. Our metaphorical scenario was that during a time of turbulence, we seized upon the opportunity and took over Alaska? How will you respond? Unless you do nothing, you have no right to criticize our defense of sovereign land. "The United States no longer exists. Please try again." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 "Only now is Russia even capable of re-taking its sovereign lands. After all, they have only recently recovered from an internal conflict. Japan should not have seized this land." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 "The United States no longer exists. Please try again." "And yet you seem to recognize most of its old agreements, treaties, and allies. Will you now ignore the aforementioned Treaty of San Francisco in which you recognized these lands as sovereign Russian possessions?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 "And yet you seem to recognize most of its old agreements, treaties, and allies. Will you now ignore the aforementioned Treaty of San Francisco in which you recognized these lands as sovereign Russian possessions?" "Actually, we don't. The treaties are all new." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 And yet they are with the same entities you had before, in essence, the same treaties. Does this mean you no longer recognize the Monroe Doctrine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Californian Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Way to resort to diplomacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 And yet they are with the same entities you had before, in essence, the same treaties.Does this mean you no longer recognize the Monroe Doctrine? "Different treaties, actually. And we don't recognize the Monroe Doctrine. We do, however, recognize the Apps Doctrine. Please try again." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 You demand of us now land which was ours before the Russians seized it. Pathetic. I will waste no further time with the russian swine. We invite the Korean nation to unify with our own and their leadership to direct our bureaucracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 "Different treaties, actually.And we don't recognize the Monroe Doctrine. We do, however, recognize the Apps Doctrine. Please try again." On paper, they may be tdifferent, but in essence, they are still the same. OOC: I did say In Essence LAST time, you know. You demand of us now land which was ours before the Russians seized it. Pathetic. I will waste no further time with the russian swine. We invite the Korean nation to unify with our own and their leadership to direct our bureaucracy. "Before it was yours, it was theirs. You siezed it from them, they seized it back." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 On paper, they may be tdifferent, but in essence, they are still the same. "In ESSENCE. They're not the same documents." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrich von Richt Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 The Greater Korean Empire hereby accepts the request of the Japanese Imperial Family. Empress Ae Sook is hereby coronated Empress of Korea, and Japan. The Greater Korean Empire hereby declares annexation of all territories of the former Japanese Empire, excluding the disputed. As such, we hereby open up negotiation requests with Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 (edited) "In ESSENCE. They're not the same documents." "No, they are the old ones revised and renewed. If you do this for your allies and yourselves, but no one else, that means you are simply hypocrites." OOC: Edit: Wait, was iamthey's request serious? Edited October 13, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 The clock is stopped at 03:58. Good save, Korea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loannes Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 "No, they are the old ones revised and renewed. If you do this for your allies and yourselves, but no one else, that means you are simply hypocrites." "They are different treaties. That is the truth, no matter how much you try to spin it around." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elrich von Richt Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 (edited) [Treaty of Seoul] Article I: Preamble Both nations have come to together today, out of both neccessity and want. Our respective nations hereby agree to sign this treaty and promote better relations with one another in the future, and disregard the events of the past. Article II: Mutual Defense Pact Both nations shall defend each other upon attack by another nation. Thus, outside aggression shall not be tolerated Article III: Non-Agression Both nations shall not show hostility towards one another, and remain peaceful. This includes sharing secrets with non-allied governments, and promoting hostile action against one another. Article IV: Trade All tariffs and trade shall hereby be abolished in Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, thus allowing Japanese, Korean, and Russian fisherman to trade freely without need for excess costs. Article V: Territory Korea shall renounce Japan's previous claim to Sakhalin (Karafuto) and the Kuril Islands (Chishima Islands). Russia, in return, shall respect Korea's territorial integrity, and sovereignty, thus agreeing not to involve itself in Korean internal affairs. Korea shall also cede both Miyako and Yaeyama in the Ryukyu Islands to the People's Republic of China, and relocate the Japanese populations there to the remainder of the Ryukyu Islands. All other Japanese territory excluding the forementioned is part of Korea, and shall be treated as such. Signed in the name of the Greater Korean Empire, Empress Ae Sook Signed in the name of the Russian Federation, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin Edited October 14, 2009 by Elrich von Richt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade nikonov Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Very well. For the Russian Federation, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStig Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 The King had no comment to make, and simply took note of the instability in the east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 "Before it was yours, it was theirs. You siezed it from them, they seized it back." "Actually they are traditional Japaneese lands they always have been, the Russians originally took them." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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