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The Amazing Survivalist Alliance Race

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Today, Jack Diorno brings you something new and exciting, the amazing survivalist alliance race, Karma war edition!

There is no dictionary meaning on what a survivalist alliance is, as a result it is regularly used by someone who intends it with a definition slightly askew to your own, entirely changing the context in which it was meant, so I will give you a run down on my own definition of a survivalist alliance and why these statistics are important.

A survivalist alliance, is an alliance that signs high level treaties with many other alliances, and when war is imminent, will selectively drop its allies to ensure that it remains on the winning side of the battle, minimizing damages but causing some allies to basically die alone. Some good examples are Echelon and MCXA, who just prior to the NoCB war, dropped all long standing treaties with NpO and BLEU, and sided with NPO and one vision, avoiding the NoCB war stomp themselves, but leaving NpO alone to defend itself.

Survivalist alliances are bad for two reasons, the first, they are cowards, and everyone hates cowards (hello Panfilo). The second, is that they add considerably to the stagnation of politics on Planet Bob, the long grip of control that the NPO held over the world, was only feasible because most sanctioned alliances desired protection rather than personal power. Alliances such as IRON and MHA, were juggernauts that did nothing except stand in the way of any kind of change happening in the world.

So here we have the amazing survivalist alliance race, listing the sanctioned alliances and how many of their allies they abandoned. Ranked exactly as described, any ties are then ranked by score. When the next global war happens, it will be updated with these same alliances and work the same way as the amazing sanction race, new sanctioned alliances will be added to the race after the next global war. I did research this as much as possible, feel free to let me know of any mistakes though.

Number of treaties cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked/not providing military assistance to partner

top.pngThe Order of the Paradox --> 5

sanctionmhadc4.gifMostly Harmless Alliance --> 4

sanctionodnto4.pngODN --> 4

sanctionspartatc0.jpgSparta --> 3

sanctionpolarwv6.jpgNew Polar Order --> 2

sanctionfarkzg7.jpgFARK --> 2

sanctionfokqu8.pngFOK --> 2

sanctionironcd8.pngIndependant Republic of Orange Nations --> 1

sanctionnpo.pngNew Pacific Order --> 0

gpa.pngGreen Protection Agency --> 0

Tdoflagv401-1.jpgThe Democratic Order --> 0

sanctionwtf.pngWorld Task Force --> 0

Total number of Allies not provided military assistance

top.pngThe Order of the Paradox --> 7

sanctionmhadc4.gifMostly Harmless Alliance --> 7

sanctionodnto4.pngODN --> 4

sanctionspartatc0.jpgSparta --> 3

sanctionpolarwv6.jpgNew Polar Order --> 2

sanctionfarkzg7.jpgFARK --> 2

sanctionfokqu8.pngFOK --> 2

sanctionironcd8.pngIndependant Republic of Orange Nations --> 1

sanctionnpo.pngNew Pacific Order --> 0

gpa.pngGreen Protection Agency --> 0

Tdoflagv401-1.jpgThe Democratic Order --> 0

sanctionwtf.pngWorld Task Force --> 0

Commentary:

TOP love their stats, and lucky for them they are at the top of this stats thread, amazingly they held two MDoAP’s (Citadel/Continuum) and an additional MDP with Old Guard and did not come to their defense. TOP also manages to tie with MHA for most allies denied military assistance, Khyber has publicly stated “It was not fun because we had to watch two allies of ours burn, IRON and OG”.

Also managing to deny military assistance to 7 alliances, MHA, comes in second place, notably not coming to the defense of the NPO regardless of an MDoAP which had a year long cancelation clause.

Rolling into third place, the ODN, equaling MHA for treaties cancelled/ignored, ODN has previously defended their actions, citing new administration was in the process of distancing ODN from the Hegemony, and the Karma war started before adequate time had been provided for them to fully define their foreign affairs, forcing them to drop to Hegemony or Karma.

In 4th place we have Sparta, who withdrew from continuum in a timely fashion, but held on to 3 individual treaties with one vision alliances until war broke out. New Polar Order places in 5th, suspending treaties with NPO and Valhalla during the Karma war, Fark is in 6th, with some very ordinary cancelations with NPO and NATO. FOK in 7th denied assistance to IRON and cancelled on TORN. IRON comes in 8th by joining the coalition of cowards cancelling on NPO in the first few days of war, only one treaty violation, but the most spectacular by a longshot.

Predictions:

The next global war is slated for sometime in the distant future, I predict TOP and MHA will remain the highest rated survivalist alliances, they have shown no remorse for their survivalist ideals, unless a war hits the Citadel directly I expect many cancelations and treaty voiding. Significant drops will come from ODN, who has mostly repositioned themselves with a single side of the treaty web, and vocally stated they are a reformed entity. A significant rise is foreseen for both IRON and FOK, IRON due to being part of the coalition of cowards. FOK, due to an incoherent FA direction, they hold treaties with alliances from Citadel, SuperFriends and C&G, as well as many independent alliances, it would be close to impossible for all these treaties to be upheld.

top.pngThe Order of the Paradoxtop.png

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

MDoAP with TPF, IRON, OG, NPO, MCXA, NATO, Valhalla - Continuum

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54723

Notified of cancellation on Apr 18 2009 – 2 days before Karma war starts with NPO’s DoW

MDoAP with Valhalla - The Crown of the North Compact

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54926

Notified of cancellation on Apr 22 2009 – 2 days after Karma war starts with NPO’s DoW

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

MDoAP Old Guard – Citadel

No forum link Available

MDP with Old Guard – MDP (another separate treaty)

No forum link Available

MDoAP - MCXA

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=55476

Notified of cancellation on Apr 26 2009 – 6 days after Karma war starts with NPO’s DoW

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance: 5

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled: 7

sanctionmhadc4.gifMostly Harmless Alliancesanctionmhadc4.gif

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

MDoAP with TPF, IRON, OG, NPO, MCXA, NATO, Valhalla - Continuum

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54712

Notified of cancellation on Apr 18 2009 – 2 days before Karma war starts with NPO’s DoW

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

MDoAP – NPO

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54845

MDoAP – TORN*

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54845

MADP with NATO – Trident*

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance: 4

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled: 7

sanctionodnto4.pngOrange Defense Networksanctionodnto4.png

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

Null

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

MDoAP with Legion*

MDoAP with GGA*

MDoAP with Invicta*

MDoAP with IRON*

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance: 4

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled: 4

sanctionspartatc0.jpgSpartasanctionspartatc0.jpg

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

null

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

MDP with NPO - Reddish/Pinkish Treaty

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54742

Notified of cancellation on Apr 21 2009 – 1 day after karma war starts with NPO’s DoW

MDP with MCXA*

MDoAP with IRON*

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance: 3

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled: 3

sanctionpolarwv6.jpgNew Polar Ordersanctionpolarwv6.jpg

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

Null

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

MDoAP with NPO

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54855

MDoAP with Valhalla*

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance: 2

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled: 2

sanctionfarkzg7.jpgFARKsanctionfarkzg7.jpg

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

Treaty – MDoAP with NPO

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54843

Notified of cancellation on Apr 17 2009 – 3 days before Karma war starts with NPO’s DoW

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

MADP with NATO – Trident*

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance: 3

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled: 7

sanctionfokqu8.pngFOKsanctionfokqu8.png

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

MDP with TORN - I promise I will be gentle next time accords

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54666

Notified of cancellation on Apr 18 2009 – 2 days before Karma war starts with NPO’s DoW

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

MDoAP with IRON*

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance: 2

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled: 2

sanctionironcd8.pngIndependant Republic of Orange Nationssanctionironcd8.png

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

Null

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

MADP – NPO (later assistance provided)

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54884

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance: 1

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled: 1

sanctionnpo.pngNew Pacific Ordersanctionnpo.png

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

Null

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

Null

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance:

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled:

gpa.pngGreen Protection Agencygpa.png

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

Null

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

Null

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance:

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled:

Tdoflagv401-1.jpgThe Democratic OrderTdoflagv401-1.jpg

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

Null

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

Null

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance:

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled:

sanctionwtf.pngWorld Task Forcesanctionwtf.png

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

Null

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

Null

Total treaties cancelled/no assistance:

Total Allies not provided assistance/cancelled:

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*Treaty existed 1 day before Karma war started (according to treaty compendium), could not find evidence of cancelation anywhere prior.

Source: http://cybernations.wikia.com/index.php?ti...mp;oldid=199418

Cross checked with the OWF where possible.

EDIT 1 - massive mistake, FARK wasn't in continuum

EDIT 2 - typo in TOP section

EDIT 3 - E-lawyering for TOP

EDIT 4 - minor changes due to be moved to an IC section

EDIT 5 - E-lawyering for MHA

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Go TOP!

Collectin them stats is what we do!

Additionally, to give Crymson's poignant response in regards to TOP's position in this race greater exposure, I've pasted it below. To be clear, anything after this line is Crymson's response.

top.pngThe Order of the Paradoxtop.png

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

MDoAP with TPF, IRON, OG, NPO, MCXA, NATO, Valhalla - Continuum

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54723

Notified of cancellation on Apr 18 2009 – 2 days before Karma war starts with NPO’s DoW

MDoAP with Valhalla - The Crown of the North Compact

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54926

Notified of cancellation on Apr 22 2009 – 2 days after Karma war starts with NPO’s DoW

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

MDoAP Old Guard – Citadel

No forum link Available

MDP with Old Guard – MDP (another separate treaty)

No forum link Available

MDoAP - MCXA

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=55476

Notified of cancellation on Apr 26 2009 – 6 days after Karma war starts with NPO’s DoW

Total treaty violated/cancelled: 5

Total Alliances violated/cancelled: 7

As I was leader of TOP throughout the Karma War, I'm happy to address this; our common policy is to avoid engaging in discussion with those we feel are simply slandering us rather than attempting to encourage any legitimate discussion, but I'll provide information on the pertinent points of discussion for those who care to see fact-based claims rather than the blase conjecture provided by the OP.

Regarding Q: Discussions regarding our departure from Q had been underway for weeks before the Karma War. Departure from Q required 72 hours notice; our notice was posted before the issue between OV and TPF/NPO erupted, and it was related to our desire to pursue a different direction and not at all to any threat of war that we were seeking to avoid. Given that there was no threat at the time we served our notice of intent to withdraw, I find it hard to believe that any connection can be drawn. Feel free to contact our former allies in Q to confirm this. Beyond this, I suggest you check your math, as 72 hours previous to April 20th equals April 17th, not April 18th.

Regarding Old Guard: OG was in the war as a result of an MADP with the NPO and treaty obligations via the Continuum, as I recall. As such, activation of our MDP with that alliance was inapplicable; they were in the war as a result of other treaty obligations, and our treaty with Old Guard did not chain. This is the pertinent section of the treaty:

3. Neither signatory is required to provide assistance should either signatory initiate hostilities, either unilaterally or as a result of honoring of outside agreements, with a foreign body. Attacks against said signatory resulting from these hostilities are likewise not subject to the requirements of Article 2.1.

Further, Old Guard did even not at any point attempt to activate said MDP, thus making your point utterly wrong.

Regarding Valhalla: As with the Mobius Accords (Q), discussions within TOP on cancellation of this treaty had begun well before the Karma War erupted, as our relations with Valhalla were sparse and there was a general feeling that we shared nothing in common with them so far as goals and priorities were concerned. Valhalla agreed to waive the seven-day cancellation clause on the treaty. Further, this MDP could only have been activated on the basis of chaining, and---you'll notice that this is a common theme in our treaties---a no-chaining clause was present in the treaty text. It is as follows:

4. Defense obligations shall not be triggered should the one signatory become defensively engaged via any of the following: as a result of other offensive military action, as a result of spying, or as a result of clear severe provocation of another alliance. These shall all be deemed as action having resulted from offensive action by that signatory, and thus Article 2.1 will not apply; entry into the conflict will be optional, as per article 2.6.

Given that any obligation to enter the conflict on Valhalla's behalf could virtually only have been a result of chaining, I'd call rather silly any implication that we canceled this MDP in order to avoid having to avoid war based on treaty obligations.

Regarding MCXA: I'll here mostly be repeating my paragraphs concerning our MDP with Valhalla, as the situations were virtually identical: as with the Mobius Accords (Q), discussions within TOP on cancellation of this treaty had begun well before the Karma War erupted, as our relations with MCXA were sparse and there was a general feeling that we shared nothing in common with them so far as goals and priorities were concerned; it is worth mention that this was in part due to the exodus of members from MCXA to what would become TSO, as amongst this group was virtually everyone with whom we had ever worked in diplomacy with MCXA. Further, this MDP could only have been activated on the basis of chaining, and---you'll notice that this is a common theme in our treaties---a no-chaining clause was present in the treaty text. It is as follows:

A declaration on War:

We, the undersigned, do reserve our right to partake in all military actions, including offensive military actions, that the other is party to. The signatories may, at their sole discretion, provide whatever aid they deem necessary, up to and including joining a military action. It is asserted that while a party may call the other to arms for a offensive military operation that assistance is not mandatory. Conflict arising from the activation of other treaties shall not be just cause for mandatory defence.

As with Valhalla, given that any obligation to enter the conflict on MCXA behalf could virtually only have been a result of chaining, I'd call rather silly any implication that we canceled this MDP in order to avoid having to avoid war based on treaty obligations.

To summarize: I believe the evidence presented above proves that there was no violation of any of the treaties listed above, and that nor did we cancel any of them in order to avoid war. The sad reality is that you---likely knowingly---created this thread with absolutely nothing on which to base your claims besides superficial information, and with an apparent utter lack of effort to gather any information on the topic. I can only assume that this was a deliberate, utterly conjecture-based attempt to sully our name. If you're really interested in putting forth valid points, rather than simple assumptive insults, best try to do your research before your next attempt.

o7 TOP

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Jack my friend, Fark was never part of Q. they just had that MDoaP with Pacifica. there WAS a PIAT with TPF that was cancelled..uh..few months before the war. i forget when

Treaty – MDoAP with TPF, IRON, OG, NPO, MCXA, NATO, Valhalla - Continuum

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should skip the neutrals and get the next two people very good jack though :)

Yeah they're not even really alliances. More like... speed bumps.

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Just proving that CN needs to band together and take out TOP/MHA instead of worrying about purplol or lolpink.

I think I speak for everyone when I say we're not "worried" about either of you.

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also the NSO demands reparations for copyright infringement on our flag; but otherwise quality thread, would read again

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sanctionfarkzg7.jpgFARKsanctionfarkzg7.jpg

Cancelled within 5 days of partner being attacked

Treaty – MDoAP with TPF, IRON, OG, NPO, MCXA, NATO, Valhalla - Continuum

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54843

Notified of cancellation on Apr 17 2009 – 3 days before Karma war starts with NPO’s DoW

Treaty partner attacked, no assistance provided

MADP with NATO – Trident*

MDoAP with NPO*

Total treaty violated/cancelled: 3

Total Alliances violated/cancelled: 7

I must be missing something here, but Fark only ever had an MDoAP with NPO before the Karma War, and it was already very clear before that which side we were on.

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Jack my friend, Fark was never part of Q. they just had that MDoaP with Pacifica. there WAS a PIAT with TPF that was cancelled..uh..few months before the war. i forget when
I must be missing something here, but Fark only ever had an MDoAP with NPO before the Karma War, and it was already very clear before that which side we were on.

Noted, I know FARK wasn't in continuum, an error while formatting it for posting unfortunately. Apologies go out to FARK, and corrections have been made.

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Yeah they're not even really alliances. More like... speed bumps.

indeed :P

also i forgot to say this really isn't new but i like how we can see how many each person canceled/skipped out on in one spot. also i just noticed our flag :(

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Does TOP even care who they sign treaties with or do they just collect and discard them at will?

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Very interesting ;), for NpO the treaty with valhalla was canceled on May 29, 2009 and the cancellation was done in private with no public announcement.

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Noted, I know FARK wasn't in continuum, an error while formatting it for posting unfortunately. Apologies go out to FARK, and corrections have been made.

Thanks :wub:

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