She Counted to Two and then Became a Stormtrooper.

[Felix von Agnu]

It's not the same thing, but it's still not suitable material for joking about. It's an offence for a reason, and carries pretty stiff penalties in most countries – it's akin to joking about committing GBH and then saying 'But it's fine because it wasn't about murder'.

Now, I too don't mean to be dragged into an argument now the 'joke' is gone, so I'm going to drop it unless you keep insinuating that having a moral code somehow makes me a bad person.

Morality is Immoral, sig this if your down?

[kingzog]

Gotta love all the bawwwing about your name. At least the upside of this is we can see all the faux moralists showing how much your existence twisted their panties. Alas this will be the last time

o/ SSSW18

Have fun running from angry fathers in IAA

You know, a former NPO Emperor once declared that there was no such thing as an acceptable rape joke.

Then you allied yourselves with these clowns.

I commend you on being a fine representative of Pacifican consistency.

[Doitzel]

I like how the label "moral crusader" is getting applied like it's a bad thing.

There's few things funnier than watching people get their panties in a bunch over a joke.

Oh dear! We've entered some kind of time warp and emerged in July 2006!

[Starfox101]

Rape joke? Really? Statutory rape and rape aren't the same thing. There's a reason that adjective "statutory" is put in front. Statutory rape can be anything from a 20 yr old getting with a 17 yr old, completely consentual, but the parents dont like the boy so they file charges. True, it can also be where some dirty old man takes advantage of a 13 yr old and convinces them to sleep with them. But in the case of this alliance, a girl saying she's 18 and the guy being deceived is the reference in the name. So quit with the rape joke BS.

And moral crusader is more of a derogatory term towards those that believe they're doing the moral thing but instead are hypocritical. Another one of those wonderful colloquialisms describing people such as yourself.

So you're saying a joke about statuatory rape isn't a rape joke? If you have relations with a girl under the legal age, it's rape. (OOC: What if a female played this game who was a victim of it and was offended by it? Would you just tell her she wasn't really raped and to stop being a moral crusader?)

Now, how have I been a hypocrite about any of this?

You're waging a terrible argument here.

[JWConner]

It's not the same thing, but it's still not suitable material for joking about. It's an offence for a reason, and carries pretty stiff penalties in most countries – it's akin to joking about committing GBH and then saying 'But it's fine because it wasn't about murder'.

Now, I too don't mean to be dragged into an argument now the 'joke' is gone, so I'm going to drop it unless you keep insinuating that having a moral code somehow makes me a bad person.

The analogy of GBH to murder as statutory rape to rape isn't valid in the least. There's no innocent way to create assault. You can very easily and honestly be convicted and accused of statutory rape. Which is the case here.

And the reason you are mocked as a moral crusader is because you're taking a supposed moral stance in a way that morality isn't the issue. Deception is.

But please keep telling us how we're wrong.

[JWConner]

So you're saying a joke about statuatory rape isn't a rape joke? If you have relations with a girl under the legal age, it's rape. (OOC: What if a female played this game who was a victim of it and was offended by it? Would you just tell her she wasn't really raped and to stop being a moral crusader?)

Now, how have I been a hypocrite about any of this?

You're waging a terrible argument here.

Again, you're taking the completely wrong side of this issue. You're looking for something and turning the situation. The name of the alliance is She Said She Was 18. It's not She Said She Was 16 But She Looked 18. How is this condoning statutory rape?

In the name alone, it's insinuating that the female created the deception.

And don't try and turn this around on me. I would never mock someone for having been assaulted in any way (OOC: in RL) and never have. You're twisting the issue at hand to make your argument.

[Starfox101]

The analogy of GBH to murder as statutory rape to rape isn't valid in the least. There's no innocent way to create assault. You can very easily and honestly be convicted and accused of statutory rape. Which is the case here.

And the reason you are mocked as a moral crusader is because you're taking a supposed moral stance in a way that morality isn't the issue. Deception is.

But please keep telling us how we're wrong.

Really, even if the girl so called "deceived" the guy, I'm still a believer that younger girls are easily convinced to have sex by older guys and often aren't ready. There's really no way to spin statuatory rape as an acceptable theme for an alliance. There's a reason it's called rape and punished harshly.

You have no ground to stand on.

And please address my earlier post in full.

[Starfox101]

Again, you're taking the completely wrong side of this issue. You're looking for something and turning the situation. The name of the alliance is She Said She Was 18. It's not She Said She Was 16 But She Looked 18. How is this condoning statutory rape?

In the name alone, it's insinuating that the female created the deception.

And don't try and turn this around on me. I would never mock someone for having been assaulted in any way (OOC: in RL) and never have. You're twisting the issue at hand to make your argument.

There are no sides here. There isn't a good and acceptable statuatory rape and a bad statuatory rape. There is no gray area, no line in the sand. It is plain and simply, not funny and offensive.

OOC: If any female players had been statuatory raped, and we'll never know, how do you know this didn't offend them or cause an offensive environment? It's simply not acceptable and goes beyond what I find to be tasteful or humerous.

[JWConner]

Really, even if the girl so called "deceived" the guy, I'm still a believer that younger girls are easily convinced to have sex by older guys and often aren't ready. There's really no way to spin statuatory rape as an acceptable theme for an alliance. There's a reason it's called rape and punished harshly.

You have no ground to stand on.

And please address my earlier post in full.

And again this goes to my point that it's a culture issue more than anything. That our society and culture makes girls want to act older and look older to make older men look at them. This is what She Said She Was 18 refers to. To say that because the name refers to this issue says they are condoning rape is, once again, laughable.

And to refer to your earlier post, I'm guessing you're addressing me calling you hypocritical in your "moral" stance. What I meant by this was that you're looking upon things in a very narrow-minded way. You're claiming you have morality on your side by not addressing the full issue, only taking part of the issue that fits your argument. Maybe hypocritical wasn't the right term. Probably narrowminded was more appropriate. I have friends (OOC: IRL) who have been tempted by girls underage. I've been at college parties where 17 year old freshmen show up. There are always two sides to each issue. The name of this alliance references one side. It's not saying that the unwitting party (the guy) knew of the age of the girl. He went by what she told him. This is the instance at hand. There are many crimes that have many aspects to them. These other aspects aren't being described here nor referenced.

This is my point.

[Locke]

You know, when they say that the end of an alliance was supposed to be a sad time, this isn't exactly what I had in mind.

[JWConner]

There are no sides here. There isn't a good and acceptable statuatory rape and a bad statuatory rape. There is no gray area, no line in the sand. It is plain and simply, not funny and offensive.

OOC: If any female players had been statuatory raped, and we'll never know, how do you know this didn't offend them or cause an offensive environment? It's simply not acceptable and goes beyond what I find to be tasteful or humerous.

OOC:

And yes, there are 2 sides to everything. There's cause and effect. A person who gets caught relieving themselves outside a bar in an alley are labeled sex offenders and made to register themselves just as a child pornographer. Is this right? no. But it's reality. A label is a label. This is why I'm saying that the phrase She Said She Was 18 isn't condoning nor accepting statutory rape. It's a social comment on the issue at hand.

WHy is this so hard to understand?

[Doitzel]

OOC:

And yes, there are 2 sides to everything. There's cause and effect. A person who gets caught relieving themselves outside a bar in an alley are labeled sex offenders and made to register themselves just as a child pornographer. Is this right? no. But it's reality. A label is a label. This is why I'm saying that the phrase She Said She Was 18 isn't condoning nor accepting statutory rape. It's a social comment on the issue at hand.

WHy is this so hard to understand?

That's a BS cop-out to defend a name crafted in poor taste. Why is this so hard to understand?

Edited October 12, 2009 by Elyat

[KahlanRahl]

Wow... can you guys maybe take the alliance bashing somewhere else? Way to be jerks in their disbandment. How rude.

Edited October 11, 2009 by KahlanRahl

[Doitzel]

Wow... can you guys maybe take the alliance bashing somewhere else? Way to troll their disbandment. How rude.

omg ur such a moral crusader take ur moralz sumwhere else plz

[KahlanRahl]

omg ur such a moral crusader take ur moralz sumwhere else plz

omg ur so full of urself take ur highhorse sumwhere else plz.

[JWConner]

OOC: That's a BS cop-out to defend a name crafted in poor taste. Why is this so hard to understand?

OOC:

It's a cop-out in your mind. I don't see it that way at all. I find nothing wrong with it in the least. I find more wrong in your assertion that you think you should tell us how to believe. If there was truly something wrong, Admin would have done something about it, right? If it were insulting in an OOC way, would Admin not have stopped it when it began? If we were offending people in RL situations, wouldn't bans and sensoring have occurred?

So, if things were so wrong, and we're so OOC insensitive...how bout bawwwwing to Admin about it and stop trolling.

You're wrong. End of discussion

/OOC

forgot to add the OOC tags...simple mistake.

Edited October 11, 2009 by JWConner

[Geoffron X]

So you're saying a joke about statuatory rape isn't a rape joke? If you have relations with a girl under the legal age, it's rape. (OOC: What if a female played this game who was a victim of it and was offended by it? Would you just tell her she wasn't really raped and to stop being a moral crusader?)

Now, how have I been a hypocrite about any of this?

You're waging a terrible argument here.

If she said she was 18, it's her fault. If not, then the alliance name wasn't joking about that.

[James Wilson]

omg ur such a moral crusader take ur moralz sumwhere else plz

Its our thread so if anyone has a right to bring morals in here, its us.

Now, why don't you take your ugly old self, and crawl back under your bed and cry since your no longer important.

[MiasmaCircle]

I really like IAA, and I'm disappointed to see this.

SSSW18 was nothing I could support.

But this said, best of luck to the members. Let's see how you do without that travesty of a name.

[Doitzel]

omg ur so full of urself take ur highhorse sumwhere else plz.

If not for my high horse your alliance would still be six feet under.

It's a cop-out in your mind. I don't see it that way at all. I find nothing wrong with it in the least. I find more wrong in your assertion that you think you should tell us how to believe. If there was truly something wrong, Admin would have done something about it, right? If it were insulting in an OOC way, would Admin not have stopped it when it began? If we were offending people in RL situations, wouldn't bans and sensoring have occurred?

So, if things were so wrong, and we're so OOC insensitive...how bout bawwwwing to Admin about it and stop trolling.

You're wrong. End of discussion

OOC: lol, I like how your argument is "the avowedly non-interventionist admin doesn't care so I'm right". No, it doesn't work like that.

Frankly I have every right to rejoice over the death of this alliance IC and OOC. They made light of legal issues regarding statutory rape of young women and brought unneeded and unwanted "humour" on that topic to this forum. Good riddance, I won't miss the immature jokes about teenage sex in my political sim.

IC:

Its our thread so if anyone has a right to bring morals in here, its us.

Now, why don't you take your ugly old self, and crawl back under your bed and cry since your no longer important.

Ching ching! Been a while since I got the old "you're irrelevant". And ugly, too! Thanks, I was beginning to think I'd lost my touch.

[JWConner]

If not for my high horse your alliance would still be six feet under.

OOC: lol, I like how your argument is "the avowedly non-interventionist admin doesn't care so I'm right". No, it doesn't work like that.

Frankly I have every right to rejoice over the death of this alliance IC and OOC. They made light of legal issues regarding statutory rape of young women and brought unneeded and unwanted "humour" on that topic to this forum. Good riddance, I won't miss the immature jokes about teenage sex in my political sim.

IC:

Ching ching! Been a while since I got the old "you're irrelevant". And ugly, too! Thanks, I was beginning to think I'd lost my touch.

No my point was that my stance is valid, and if you were so convinced that what they were doing was so wrong then maybe you should have done something about it, instead of waiting til they've merged over into another alliance and no longer exist as a separate entity. It takes no courage to attack the beaten.

[Krunk the Great]

No my point was that my stance is valid, and if you were so convinced that what they were doing was so wrong then maybe you should have done something about it, instead of waiting til they've merged over into another alliance and no longer exist as a separate entity. It takes no courage to attack the beaten.

Oh but of course it does. Didn't you read that law of Planet Bob? Its really funny though, how Elyat speaks under the guise of an irrelevant alliance, to VA.

[mythicknight]

I loved your name. Good luck.

[MiasmaCircle]

I'm very grateful that Doitzel has remained around, whether his intent or not, he acts as a great voice for those of us who have a sense of morality but are not as eloquent as he.

[Tom Litler]

I must say that I agree with King Zog and others who have voiced their distaste for this alliance's name. It makes one wonder what caliber of member the IAA are due to receive.