Haflinger Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) August 29th, 2009 This is a list of all the Sanction Race alliances in order of space wonders. Ties go first to the alliance with more Mars wonders, and then to the alliance with more Space Programs. Should there be a tie at that point, then to the alliance with more score. Independent Republic Of Orange Nations: 19 Bases -> 22 Bases, 2 Mines, 1 Colonies 5 Mars Bases -> 7 Mars Bases 0 Mars Colonies -> 1 Mars Colonies 14 Moon Bases -> 15 Moon Bases 0 Moon Mines -> 2 Moon Mines 110 Space Programs The Grämlins: 16 Bases -> 18 Bases, 1 Mine 3 Mars Bases -> 3 Mars Bases 13 Moon Bases -> 15 Moon Bases 0 Moon Mines -> 1 Moon Mines 59 Space Programs New Polar Order: 15 Bases -> 16 Bases 4 Mars Bases -> 5 Mars Bases 11 Moon Bases -> 11 Moon Bases 87 Space Programs New Pacific Order: 11 Bases -> 12 Bases, 1 Mine 5 Mars Bases -> 6 Mars Bases 6 Moon Bases -> 6 Moon Bases 0 Moon Mines -> 1 Moon Mines 88 Space Programs The Order Of The Paradox: 13 Bases -> 13 Bases 2 Mars Bases -> 2 Mars Bases 11 Moon Bases -> 11 Moon Bases 116 Space Programs Fark: 13 Bases -> 13 Bases 2 Mars Bases -> 2 Mars Bases 11 Moon Bases -> 11 Moon Bases 80 Space Programs Mostly Harmless Alliance: 7 Bases -> 11 Bases 3 Mars Bases -> 5 Mars Bases 4 Moon Bases -> 6 Moon Bases 84 Space Programs Green Protection Agency: 10 Bases -> 10 Bases, 1 Colonies 4 Mars Bases -> 4 Mars Bases 6 Moon Bases -> 6 Moon Bases 0 Moon Colonies -> 1 Moon Colonies 83 Space Programs Ragnarok: 8 Bases -> 9 Bases 4 Mars Bases -> 4 Mars Bases 4 Moon Bases -> 5 Moon Bases 40 Space Programs RnR: 9 Bases -> 9 Bases 4 Mars Bases -> 4 Mars Bases 5 Moon Bases -> 5 Moon Bases 39 Space Programs Invicta: 8 Bases -> 8 Bases 5 Mars Bases -> 5 Mars Bases 3 Moon Bases -> 3 Moon Bases 29 Space Programs The Order Of Light: 5 Bases -> 7 Bases, 1 Mine 2 Mars Bases -> 2 Mars Bases 0 Mars Mines -> 1 Mars Mines 3 Moon Bases -> 5 Moon Bases 52 Space Programs Viridian Entente: 4 Bases -> 7 Bases 2 Mars Bases -> 3 Mars Bases 2 Moon Bases -> 4 Moon Bases 51 Space Programs Sparta: 6 Bases -> 7 Bases 1 Mars Bases -> 2 Mars Bases 5 Moon Bases -> 5 Moon Bases 81 Space Programs Mushroom Kingdom: 6 Bases -> 7 Bases 2 Mars Bases -> 2 Mars Bases 4 Moon Bases -> 5 Moon Bases 66 Space Programs The Democratic Order: 5 Bases -> 5 Bases, 1 Colonies 2 Mars Bases -> 2 Mars Bases 3 Moon Bases -> 3 Moon Bases 0 Moon Colonies -> 1 Moon Colonies 33 Space Programs Orange Defense Network: 5 Bases -> 6 Bases 0 Mars Bases 5 Moon Bases -> 6 Moon Bases 67 Space Programs World Task Force: 4 Bases -> 6 Bases 0 Mars Bases 4 Moon Bases -> 6 Moon Bases 48 Space Programs Multicolored Cross-X Alliance: 4 Bases -> 5 Bases 3 Mars Bases -> 3 Mars Bases 1 Moon Bases -> 2 Moon Bases 37 Space Programs Random Insanity Alliance: 4 Bases -> 5 Bases 0 Mars Bases 4 Moon Bases -> 5 Moon Bases 26 Space Programs FOK: 3 Bases -> 4 Bases 2 Mars Bases -> 2 Mars Bases 1 Moon Bases -> 2 Moon Bases 53 Space Programs North Atlantic Defense Coalition: 3 Bases -> 4 Bases 1 Mars Bases -> 1 Mars Bases 2 Moon Bases -> 3 Moon Bases 35 Space Programs Siberian Tiger Alliance: 2 Bases -> 3 Bases, 1 Mine 0 Mars Bases -> 1 Mars Bases 2 Moon Bases -> 2 Moon Bases 0 Moon Mines -> 1 Moon Mines 17 Space Programs Nueva Vida: 3 Bases -> 4 Bases 0 Mars Bases 3 Moon Bases -> 4 Moon Bases 33 Space Programs United Purple Nations: 3 Bases -> 3 Bases, 1 Colonies 0 Mars Bases 3 Moon Bases -> 3 Moon Bases 0 Moon Colonies -> 1 Moon Colonies 32 Space Programs New Sith Order: 3 Bases -> 3 Bases 2 Mars Bases -> 2 Mars Bases 1 Moon Bases -> 1 Moon Bases 21 Space Programs Global Alliance And Treaty Organization: 3 Bases -> 3 Bases 1 Mars Bases -> 1 Mars Bases 2 Moon Bases -> 2 Moon Bases 28 Space Programs Monos Archein: 2 Bases -> 3 Bases 0 Mars Bases -> 1 Mars Bases 2 Moon Bases -> 2 Moon Bases 33 Space Programs The Legion: 2 Bases -> 2 Bases 0 Mars Bases 2 Moon Bases -> 2 Moon Bases 29 Space Programs Commonwealth Of Sovereign Nations: 2 Bases -> 2 Bases 0 Mars Bases 2 Moon Bases -> 2 Moon Bases 32 Space Programs M*A*S*H: 2 Bases -> 3 Bases 0 Mars Bases 2 Moon Bases -> 3 Moon Bases 37 Space Programs Athens: 1 Bases -> 1 Bases 0 Mars Bases 1 Moon Bases -> 1 Moon Bases 32 Space Programs We Are Perth Army: 0 Bases -> 0 Bases 0 Mars Bases -> 0 Mars Bases 0 Moon Bases -> 0 Moon Bases 15 Space Programs Largest Gainer IRON: +6 wonders I'm not doing biggest loser (lots of alliances had a change of 0), or passes (the rules for tiebreaking changed from the first stat collection, where I wasn't tracking space programs). IRON continues to supply evidence for the belief that the best time to buy these wonders is right after a war in which a nation's NS has been greatly reduced, but it still has significant remaining warchest. As well, the difference in development rate of these wonders between NPO and IRON suggests that the extended war that NPO experienced did actually drain most of their nations' warchests. It is also interesting to note how many nations have opted to buy colonies before mines. Given a proper resource set, a mine has a better economic impact on a nation, however it does not have the military utility of a colony. Seems that at least some people out there are preparing for their next ZI already. Edited August 29, 2009 by Haflinger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 GO ATHENS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 You forget to add in WTF's name to WTF's stats Haf. Also, can we expect updates on this periodically? Maybe even keep track of old days and then graph them at the end for us stat whores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I'm not going to graph them. I'm hoping to update this every weekend or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Interesting to see which alliances have more of a space investment. Certainly standing out is RnR, a relatively small alliance that is #8 on this list, including a significant number of Martian bases.At the other end of the scale, well, the Athenians at least beat WAPA into space. RnR: 38 Space Programs Athens: 33 Space Programs We have space programs just nobody going to the moon or mars except our beloved raccoon. Feel free to educate me if I am wrong but aren't moon and mars wonders are generally bad investment compared to the other available wonders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) I'm not going to graph them.I'm hoping to update this every weekend or so. Fine, I'll graph them then. I do enough of it at work that this stuff comes second nature to me by now. Hell, now you got me interested, I may just have to do this every day you don't. >.< RnR: 38 Space ProgramsAthens: 33 Space Programs We have space programs just nobody going to the moon or mars except our beloved raccoon. Feel free to educate me if I am wrong but aren't moon and mars wonders are generally bad investment compared to the other available wonders? Jack, the bases are near 0 RoI, it's what you build on the bases that give you a good return. Oh, and this totally needs Space Programs listed too. Edited August 24, 2009 by Locke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 RnR: 38 Space ProgramsAthens: 33 Space Programs We have space programs just nobody going to the moon or mars except our beloved raccoon. Feel free to educate me if I am wrong but aren't moon and mars wonders are generally bad investment compared to the other available wonders? It depends on a few factors. One, your current NS. The lower it is, the better the investment they are. Two, which other wonders are available to you. Obviously if you're getting to the point like me where it's buy a FAC or a moonbase, well the moonbase is better. Three, your tradeset. If your trades line up nicely with one of the mine resources, well, some of those mines can be pretty awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiss Goodbye Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 The ROI is terrible at all levels. I won't be investing in these myself until I run out of other eco/mil wonders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred von Tirpitz Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Thanks for doing this. It would be great if you update it weekly as you have said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Hakai Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I'm cheering for Ragnarok. GO RAGNAROK GO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horatio Longworth Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 This is interesting. Thank you for compiling this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drai Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 FFUU, when did we get 6 bases... Bad show MK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Diorno Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) At the other end of the scale, well, the Athenians at least beat WAPA into space. The ROI is terrible at all levels. I won't be investing in these myself until I run out of other eco/mil wonders. Sorry Invicta but this kiss goodbye guy is from TOP! so he probably knows his stats This means that Athens just so happens to be the smartest alliance on the list, because we have the least moon and mars bases in comparison to our size EDIT: added in extra words for the hell of it. Edited August 24, 2009 by Jack Diorno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I would personally rather we had none and saved our money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londo Mollari Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 By all means, buy more of these space wonders, fellow sanction race alliances... We'll keep buying MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erich Ludendorff Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 So is this competition kinda like golf, where alliances are trying to get the lowest score? My alliance is tied for first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberland Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 (edited) I would personally rather we had none and saved our money. This is what I was thinking Edited August 24, 2009 by Timberland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I would personally rather we had none and saved our money. Instead, of course, you guys are #4, while your allies in Grämlins are #2. At least the guys in IRON hopefully bought their bases at the "I've just been Curbstomped and my NS is Suppressed" cut-rate, while you guys and Grämlins may well have spent more per base than anyone else in the list. In any event, this is a stat thread, so hopefully it won't get overrun by debates over the value of these wonders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Argent has two Moon Bases by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Instead, of course, you guys are #4, while your allies in Grämlins are #2.At least the guys in IRON hopefully bought their bases at the "I've just been Curbstomped and my NS is Suppressed" cut-rate, while you guys and Grämlins may well have spent more per base than anyone else in the list. In any event, this is a stat thread, so hopefully it won't get overrun by debates over the value of these wonders. The majority of our nations that bought these have all the other wonders, or all the other wonders minus the FAC and FSS. I can't help what my fellow nations buy, but I'm not going to be buying these wonders personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Argent has two Moon Bases by the way. And you guys are not a sanction race alliance Was enough work just doing this for 33 alliances. You guys are like #57. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haflinger Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 By all means, buy more of these space wonders, fellow sanction race alliances...We'll keep buying MPs. I wonder how many nations have a moon base or mars base without an MP. I'll get very mad if anyone in Invicta turns up like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 And you guys are not a sanction race alliance Was enough work just doing this for 33 alliances. You guys are like #57. Ah, I didn't see that. I actually thought we would have had more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facade Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I pray that WAPA keeps its anti-space attitude and continues to protest these ridiculous wonders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirMe Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Ronin has 2 Moonbases and a mars base on the way TYVM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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