About IS's aggression on CG

[Acca Dacca]

So you are saying that people in CN do not behave according to what is right and wrong, but mearly use events as an excuse to attack those they dislike?

I'd like to thik I would stand up for what is right regardles of who was attacked.

What is right to you may be wrong to the next person, but thats a whole new argument.

Well, considering recent events, I'm not surprised that this is the case. I mean, they have a perfectly good reason to oppose IS, augmented with unrelated grudges or not. If opportunity comes knocking...

Well of course. But the word honor is not one to be used when you find your enemy being bandwagoned and jump aboard. That term is way overused. I think I'll consider my dog honorable for not peeing on the carpet recently.

Either case, my initial argument was that the political support behind CG isnt ->all<- for CG, but moreso to get at IS, and that the word honor is overused to describe things that really arent honorable at all.

[Acca Dacca]

Never claimed differently, just pointing out the flip side to that coin where some folks came out solely to support Crimson Guards.

Well of course. Never claimed it was all of them. Thats why I put the ->some<- in there.

Pleasure having this discussion with you.

[Augustus Autumn]

Is the thought that this war is a trap plausible? Yes.

Is it a good trap? Not at all.

Going back to Ye Olde Treaty Web, you can see immediately how things would unfold:

1. Internet Superheroes attacks 9rimson Guard en-masse

2. New Sith Order comes to the rescue and attacks Internet Superheroes

3. Poison Clan hits along with anyone else they can round up

4. Frostbite hits back with anyone else they can round up

What follows from there is a general melee with nukes flying and already-damaged alliances going back to war for no real defined gain. Any alliance leader worth their salt wouldn't buy into this conflict since the escalation is so blatant. Granted, there is some solid PR to be gained but that's another story.

I thin Lord Moldavi summed it up nicely elsewhere - why would the Sith get involved in the first place when its so obvious how this is going to unfold?

[jerdge]

Since when is Invicta small?

Appropriate question. I was thinking of the military/non-military/unclear support, but I badly worded that: now it's "amended".

Thanks for your implicit correction.

[Lord Fingolfin]

Alas in this brave new world people are afraid to get their hands dirty. I can certainly understand NSO's reasoning but war would have been fun. In short, IS are fools. I am glad to see Invicta's support for CG. If IS tries something like this on Purple, they're in for an unpleasant surprise

[Francesca]

I thin Lord Moldavi summed it up nicely elsewhere - why would the Sith get involved in the first place when its so obvious how this is going to unfold?

For God's sake, don't call him "Lord Moldavi." His ego is big enough already.

[hawk11]

As much as I like Crimson Guard, I don't see why NSO would come to their defense. Just because they have a doctrine that says they're willing to attack whoever whenever for whatever doesn't mean they're going to activate it and start a nuclear holocaust for just any old reason.

[Heyman]

For God's sake, don't call him "Lord Moldavi." His ego is big enough already.

I think it may have plateaued after his "welcome back" party.

[Locke]

Yes jerge, I do quite think you're right. NSO members hinted at it and Ivan came right out and said it somewhere in the CG ultimatum. That and it's the only thing that makes any modicum of sense.

[HurricaneLOL]

Lets also not forget that ->some<- of those honorable alliances who only attack because they have a personal vendetta against IS for some reason or another and have found an excuse through CG.

I'm in agreement with this.

[Augustus Autumn]

For God's sake, don't call him "Lord Moldavi." His ego is big enough already.

If I stroke his maybe he'll stroke mine

[Doitzel]

The problem with this theory is that NSO never pledged to do anything or defend anyone from injustice. They just re-affirmed their right to do so.

I think the more likely scenario is the obvious one: a lulz attempt gone too far.

[Kung Fu Geeks]

I think it was a poorly thought out trap.

NSO beatup RAD, IS was pissed about it. IS knows that NSO doesn't like them and have been trying to piss them off pretty constantly for a while now.

NSO has thier doctrine which states they could come to the defence of somebody attacked unjustly, so IS attacks somebody unjustly that seems to have no other protection available, yet somebody with enough OWF presence to make their unjust attack known. NSO dislikes IS so they'd come in swinging right?

Of course an 8 year old child could see that trap.

[Hydro]

I think NSO should join up with GOONS and have us another Shark Week. How sexy would that be? B)

[Haflinger]

So you are saying that people in CN do not behave according to what is right and wrong, but mearly use events as an excuse to attack those they dislike?

Yes, this is frequently the case.

I'd like to thik I would stand up for what is right regardles of who was attacked.

The world could use a lot more of this attitude.

[Inquisitor Tolkien]

If I stroke his maybe he'll stroke mine

I'm not sure whether to respond with a laugh or a punch.

Maybe both?

[Augustus Autumn]

Maybe both?

As long as it's simultaneous then it works for me.

[Inquisitor Tolkien]

As long as it's simultaneous then it works for me.

*devours Tokugawa's soul*

I know what you're going to say next.

[Corinan]

I think it was a poorly thought out trap.

NSO beatup RAD, IS was pissed about it. IS knows that NSO doesn't like them and have been trying to piss them off pretty constantly for a while now.

NSO has thier doctrine which states they could come to the defence of somebody attacked unjustly, so IS attacks somebody unjustly that seems to have no other protection available, yet somebody with enough OWF presence to make their unjust attack known. NSO dislikes IS so they'd come in swinging right?

Of course an 8 year old child could see that trap.

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's what they wanted to have happen. This seems like the mostly likely scenario to me. The "training exercise" theory makes little sense, because if that were the case it'd make a lot more sense to choose a more obscure micro alliance. One that has no forum activity. Instead they chose Crimson Guard because they wanted the attack to be noticed. Noticed by the Sith and acted upon.

As many times as this theory has been brought up, has anyone else noticed that no one from IS or PWN has come forward in an attempt to disprove or discredit it? I'm sure they will now since I've brought the fact up, but that's rather telling in itself, I think.

[Inquisitor Tolkien]

I'd say that theory sounds a little ridiculous, myself. It's just inviting for the would-be curbstompers to be curbstomped. I mean really. If this was a trap, you don't have to be Admiral Ackbar to figure it out.

Unless this is all a ploy by C&G to destroy Frostbite. Shoot, shouldn't have sai-

[Lord Brendan]

You've got to explain this trap theory to me. I don't see it. It seems to end with Internet Superheroes going "haha we tricked you into killing us". Doesn't seem like much of a trap to me.

[Corinan]

I'd say that theory sounds a little ridiculous, myself. It's just inviting for the would-be curbstompers to be curbstomped. I mean really. If this was a trap, you don't have to be Admiral Ackbar to figure it out.

Unless this is all a ploy by C&G to destroy Frostbite. Shoot, shouldn't have sai-

I never said it was a good trap.

[Inquisitor Tolkien]

I never said it was a good trap.

I'd say no one is stupid enough to set up a trap to get themselves killed. But then again, this is CN.

[Corinan]

I'd say no one is stupid enough to set up a trap to get themselves killed. But then again, this is CN.

http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...t&p=1791185

Explained there, it was a trap set for their allies and whoever else dislikes us to jump in against us in defense of IS.

[HeinousOne]

Well, IS wanted to attack CG. That is the basis for all this. That alone in itself could be the driving force. The fact that multiple members of IS went and joined RAD during the fight with NSO shows that it really wasn't just a RAD/NSO war. It was atleast a RAD/IS vs NSO war, not sure if they had any of their other pink friends join them for it. I still think that at some point those pink guys wanted a war with NSO but they got outmaneuvered and didn't get to choose when that happened. So I would say that when they decided to attack CG they realized that they might get NSO to come in via the Doctrine and they would love for that to happen. I am pretty sure RAD and PC have known about this from the beginning and were ok with it.

How far down the ally chain this idea went though? We will probably never know.

Do I give them credit for going so far as to orchestrate another Great War? Well, it is possible but it would have been at great expense to themselves. Would those guys be willing to make that sacrifice in order to say they started a Great War? I suppose that is possible too. More likely though to me is that they thought if NSO came in on it's Doctrine of Optional Defense that perhaps the rest of Frostbite wouldn't have enacted their optional defense through frostbite except for.....oh yes that one other Frostbite alliance that they really do not like that has a seperate defensive treaty with NSO. Yes, I am talking STA. I am thinking they wanted us in the fight too.

Who knows, its all conjecture at this point and personal opinions and they dont seem ready to oblige us as to letting us know the truth. Maybe after all this is over they will let us know.