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Church Inaugurates 1st Military Division


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Today, after deliberate and rather brutal debate, the Church finally agreed that it would help out the Swiss Guards and their puny lances with better armed soldiers that make up a peacekeeping division of 14,320 soldiers. A small percentage of soldiers will be kept active at all times to defend our important offices and religious sites. The rest will remain inactive unless called by the Church to help assist other countries in defense and order if the Church sees that it is necessary and permissible by God.

OOC: Just clearing things up so that people don't get confused when I start sending troops into Krieg.

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As stated before, we prefer that our nuns go and beat theology into little kids than fail at an attempt to learn how to hold a rifle.

We also would like to note that some Catholic nations may disagree with our stances in certain issues and refuse to offer any aid to a country in need. It's also possible that there might not be enough aid. In either case, however, the Church, or at least the majority of it, sees that a peacekeeping military force would be very helpful.

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"Though we can understand the need for an expansion of the Swiss Guard given the tense situation in Europe as well as the latest attempt on the life of the Pope, Zargathia hopes that restraint is still shown in the numbers of these additional forces. A few divisions for peacekeeping and self defense is perfectly acceptable, yet growing to the point where it would start to resemble a second Holy Roman Empire is, in our humble opinion... inappropriate. Nevertheless, we wish the peacekeeping forces good fortune in their endeavors."

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"Though we can understand the need for an expansion of the Swiss Guard given the tense situation in Europe as well as the latest attempt on the life of the Pope, Zargathia hopes that restraint is still shown in the numbers of these additional forces. A few divisions for peacekeeping and self defense is perfectly acceptable, yet growing to the point where it would start to resemble a second Holy Roman Empire is, in our humble opinion... inappropriate. Nevertheless, we wish the peacekeeping forces good fortune in their endeavors."

We have kept this issue in mind, and to resolve this issue, we will only allow a certain percentage to be active at one time.

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"A man once asked...'How many divisions does the pope command?'

In his time, none. Today, two, as it seems. Bavaria congratulates the Holy See on this, and already many people have expressed that they would gladly serve under His Holiness, should he ask them to do so."

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The Roman Catholic Church of Tahoe views this as only another example of why this claimant to the papacy is an antipope. Instead of attending Church duties, he builds a military?

Hmm, well a couple of divisions can't really be considered a military. Besides, it's only for events where you need a military, like, for example helping to control an area under rebellion or anarchy, or defending a country in war when it's not the aggressor.

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Although the United Netherlands is on sound diplomatic terms with the Vatican and has a large Catholic population from which many would be willing to serve in the Army of the Church the United Netherlands will at all time uphold the law: any citizen fighting under a foreign flag will be stripped his/her citizenship and will face persecution for treason. The punishment on which is life imprisonment during peacetime and capital punishment during war. Capital punishment in this case will be carried out by hanging.

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That's understandable for a country who doesn't strain to remain dormant in belligerence and military affairs. However, it isn't understandable for the leader of a religion to completely back track on its only religious doctrine and dogma.

We aren't back tracking. In fact, it's obvious you haven't studied Catholic teachings enough. Look up Matthew 10:34.

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Although the United Netherlands has a large Catholic population and from many would be willing to serve in the Army of the Church the United Netherlands will at all time uphold the law: any citizen fighting under a foreign flag will loose his/her citizenship and will face persecution for treason. The punishment on which is life imprisonment during peacetime and capital punishment during war. Capital punishment in this case will be carried out by hanging.

Well, technically, not one of these soldiers would be fighting under a foreign flag. In fact, the Church isn't even a country, so we have no flag. And look, if you didn't want any of your citizens to fight with the Church, then we'd turn them back.

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"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."

So now the Church condones war and murder? I didn't think it were possible, but alas it is so.

Regardless, take it as you may, we are not fans of the Catholic faith. Good luck with your ventures.

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Well, technically, not one of these soldiers would be fighting under a foreign flag. In fact, the Church isn't even a country, so we have no flag. And look, if you didn't want any of your citizens to fight with the Church, then we'd turn them back.

The question whether the Vatican is or is not a country or a mere institution would be subject to legal debate but there is a real chance that a judge would find those participating guilty of treason.

The Church is free to accept volunteers, even Dutch volunteers, as it is the responsibility of those volunteers to know and uphold the law of their country.

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Well come on, we have to forgive everything, because Jesus told us so. But that doesn't mean we are ok with it. But you're missing the point of why this division was created: if some little nation was about to get destroyed by a superpower, we'd activate some of these troops to try to prevent this. We're not going to go around and attack every non-Christian nation because they won't convert. We hate war, and if we want to end war, we have to do something to help end it for the better side.

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The question whether the Vatican is or is not a country or a mere institution would be subject to legal debate but there is a real chance that a judge would find those participating guilty of treason.

The Church is free to accept volunteers, even Dutch volunteers, as it is the responsibility of those volunteers to know and uphold the law of their country.

Well we will reject Dutch volunteers for two reasons:

1.) It is the responsibility of the Church to help preserve life and liberty.

2.) Accepting these voulnteers means taking responsibility for them, and if they're Dutch and the Dutch government catches the volunteers fighting for the Church, the Church is half responsible.

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Well we will reject Dutch volunteers for two reasons:

1.) It is the responsibility of the Church to help preserve life and liberty.

2.) Accepting these voulnteers means taking responsibility for them, and if they're Dutch and the Dutch government catches the volunteers fighting for the Church, the Church is half responsible.

We think that the Church has a good point here. We will only allow volunteers to join in times of absolute crisis (then the law will simply be ignored).

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"In light of the recent discussion, Zargathia holds the opinion that this is also done for political reasons... Any nation that has recognized the Catholic Church will have indirectly recognized these peacekeepers as an international peacekeeping force, independent for being of all nations yet none. We are not majorly catholic ourselves, but we can see a possible (political) reason behind this."

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When it comes to politics, the Church doesn't deal much with it unless it is with a Catholic nation. We deal with theology and morality. Truly the only reason why this force was created was to minimize the number of deaths in certain events.

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