Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 The current saved stats proposal leave the community divided. Some want to keep saved stats because nothing they have done in the RP merits their decline. Others want to destroy them because of the abuses of players wanting to come back to the RP using saved stats. What I am proposing is a modification which is a compromise that is likely to gain far wider acceptance. The Rule of ConsequenceThe premise of this rule is that good rpers should not be punished when alliance wars in CN begin and indirectly affect the fate of RP Nations on Bob. While there are consequences to our actions in CN, they are solely for CN. While CNRP is based on CN, it is not a mirror of CN, which is what the OWF is for. However, a law of consequence must be preserved on Bob. That stated if a nation falls due to events which occur in character upon the face of Bob, such as by them invoking a war or contributing to aggressive actions which cause their nation to enter a state of war and to become destroyed/rolled/removed from the map then when they re-roll or re-constitute a new nation in ANY method in ANY location upon Bob again.. any entry they have into the Tech/Land/Infra database is voided and they must start again using their IG stats as opposed to any recorded record. The above rule does not punish good rpers who have no genuine reason for their nations to fall in the rp, but allows for such a fall to occur if they are completely removed and forced from the map.. thus requiring a new and independent nation with no ties to the past nation and its statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I have one question to ask about your statement Mael if CNRP is not a mirror of CN why can't we have a navy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) OOC: Bah, stupid double-posts! Edited July 10, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I have one question to ask about your statement Mael if CNRP is not a mirror of CN why can't we have a navy? He already answered that in the other thread. Because you first have to have something in order to save it, is basically the essence of what he said, at least that's what I understood. I vote aye, as that's the last ruling I actually made as a GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 He already answered that in the other thread. Because you first have to have something in order to save it, is basically the essence of what he said, at least that's what I understood.I vote aye, as that's the last ruling I actually made as a GM. Yes but if this is based off but is not CN then I should be able to have a navy in the RP even if I don't have it IG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Not true, you haven't earned your navy like everyone must. I don't even have a navy. I use commercial ships for military purposes, but without escort, they'd be prey to pretty much any defense system. I also use drones a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Not true, you haven't earned your navy like everyone must. I don't even have a navy. I use commercial ships for military purposes, but without escort, they'd be prey to pretty much any defense system. I also use drones a lot. I havn't earned it because I don't have enough money in game yet? Hmm so I can't use them due to OOC reasons? Explain how that is not allowed but people can save their stats which again is an OOC thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurius Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 No, if you are a good rp'er you know how to play out an in-game situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Terra Di Agea Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I will say now, I would rather have the no saved stats after a reroll that the flat out no saved stats. I still don't like saved stats, but this is far preferable to the "Yah sure, you quit, but you can use the same stats as you had a few months ago, even though you voluntarily stopped playing, and then came back with zero infrastructure," Situation Malatose started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McBride Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I doubt this will be seen as official, but this is something that I support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavo Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I like this proposal, makes more sense then keeping or abolishing saved stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) Sure. Though I don't really see why maltose situation really matters to anyone. Who cares if he gets to RP a nation that doesn't have zero infastructure? Or 1k tech. Regardless of what people think of his actions in RP I don't think anyone can really deny that as an RPer he is worth his salt. This is a story, not risk; so who cares what he does its his rp? No, if you are a good rp'er you know how to play out an in-game situation. This is sort of the same thing as RPing construction, no one wants to !@#$@#$ do it. And overall I think this is just an outright bad argument that people are making. Sure if you are a good rper you can RP about anything, but thats not the point. The point is why should you have to. Edited July 11, 2009 by iamthey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Because others do. I don't have to die from cancer, but it's going to kill me anyway. Yes, horrible comparison. SUE ME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Because others do. I don't have to die from cancer, but it's going to kill me anyway.Yes, horrible comparison. SUE ME. Because others do... yes but that was their choice to RP damages to their nation. Hence argument about it. Also that doesn't make sense . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generalissimo Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) Who determines what constitutes ‘good’ a roleplayer? It’s entirely subjective. A system based on an unquantifiable factor will not work. We have to make a decision as a community whether or not we accept saved nation statistics. Edited July 11, 2009 by Generalissimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Who determines what constitutes 'good' a roleplayer? It's entirely subjective.A system based on an unquantifiable factor will not work. We have to make a decision as a community whether or not we accept saved nation statistics. That's what these threads are all about--trying to come to a community decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 The system I have proposed is completely unbiased. Role player quality is not even a factor. It's just a matter if you take actions which result in your nation destroyed you must face the consequences.. which is starting with a completely new nation using a totally new stat set based on your IG statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir jesus Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I've always thought that this was how CNRP was done anyway... So yeah, full support from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 The system I have proposed is completely unbiased. No, it isn't. Anything that allows for exceptions is biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raritan Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 No, it isn't. Anything that allows for exceptions is biased. How does this proposal allow for exceptions? You lose a war, get destroyed, or decide to create a new nation, you use whatever stats you have IG when you create the new nation. Otherwise, you are allowed to save stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 How does this proposal allow for exceptions? You lose a war, get destroyed, or decide to create a new nation, you use whatever stats you have IG when you create the new nation. Otherwise, you are allowed to save stats. Step One: declare neutrality Step Two: cancel all treaties you're not losing your saved stats anytime soon, and you can use them whenever you want to roll somebody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raritan Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Step One: declare neutralityStep Two: cancel all treaties you're not losing your saved stats anytime soon, and you can use them whenever you want to roll somebody. That's not an exception. That's an IC move. Someone can still come along and delare war on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 That's not an exception. That's an IC move. Someone can still come along and delare war on you. The exception is that you're using RP justifications for IG problems. That's not how it goes. Maelstrom just wants to save his $@! because if he has to use saved stats his empire is weaker than it actually is. Anything else is bull and you all know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raritan Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 The exception is that you're using RP justifications for IG problems. That's not how it goes. Maelstrom just wants to save his $@! because if he has to use saved stats his empire is weaker than it actually is. Anything else is bull and you all know it. This whole post doesn't make sense. I'm more than willing to listen to the points you make, but they have to make sense in order for me to respond. (This isn't meant to be an insult, I'd just like a better picture of what you're trying to say). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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