Silhouette Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Due to continued beligerent attempts to tax our shipping by the rogue state of Taiwan, the government of New Cymru hereby revokes all diplomatic recognition of the state of Taiwan, and calls upon other nations to do the same. Unfair taxation of goods has been decried by the world in the past, especially with regards to the wayward Kyokujitsujin, and this shoudl be no different. Furthermore, any ship en-route to or from Port Venture is eligible for a military escort, and any attempt by the rogue state of Taiwan to blockade or seize vessels shall be considered the first official act of war by the Federal Government. That is all. Good Day. *Classified* All military forces in Port Venture have been placed on high alert, all available reserves have been called to action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 The Chairman shakes his head, "We are upset to see the relations between a pair of friends decline. Surely there is a diplomatic solution to this situation. We do not understand the need to tax shipping at all. It only hinders trade and upsets diplomacy. A an internal sales tax applied to all transactions is a more effective means of ensuring equal and fair taxation." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir jesus Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 While the Melvin Republic does not believe in shipping taxes, we see it as no reason to break off diplomatic ties and attempt to isolate a nation. Perhaps they are having financial woes and need the additional income. Or maybe they just don't want people in their territory, and are using economic tools rather than outright prohibition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 (edited) ***Classified to New Cymru*** We have, as you will notice, obtained rrights to ship through their waters. We are willing to transport civilian cargo at no cost to your nation through this area whenever you wish. We do not want to risk unnnecessary tension with the Dragon Empire. Or perhaps we could help facilitate a trade agreement between you and Taiwan as well. Edited July 9, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 (edited) It is Taiwan's right to tax shipping, this is merely another act of belligerence and saber rattling by New Cymru. Edited July 9, 2009 by Yawoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 It is Taiwan's right to tax shipping, this is merely another act of belligerence and saber rattling by New Cymru. It is not saber-rattling when the area in question is one of the very few viable routes for trade in the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silhouette Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 ***Classified to New Cymru***We have, as you will notice, obtained rrights to ship through their waters. We are willing to transport civilian cargo at no cost to your nation through this area whenever you wish. We do not want to risk unnnecessary tension with the Dragon Empire. Or perhaps we could help facilitate a trade agreement between you and Taiwan as well. *Classified to Promised Land* Either of these options would be preferable to open war, but we felt our stance should be noted by the world. It is Taiwan's right to tax shipping, this is merely another act of belligerence and saber rattling by New Cymru. For a supposedly friendly nation, especially one recommended to us by our closest allies in Promised Land, you are being exceedingly unfriendly towards us. Please do not make us question our allies' judgement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 For a supposedly friendly nation, especially one recommended to us by our closest allies in Promised Land, you are being exceedingly unfriendly towards us. Please do not make us question our allies' judgement. Considering all we've seen out of you has been exceedingly unfriendly messages towards our ally in Taiwan, we are not inclined to offer you roses and candies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Considering all we've seen out of you has been exceedingly unfriendly messages towards our ally in Taiwan, we are not inclined to offer you roses and candies. We reiterate our earlier statement. Taiwan controls one of the VERY few viable trade routes through this region. It is natural that some would feel threatened by this taxation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silhouette Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 It may also interest Yawoo to know that any attack upon New Cymru is also an attack upon Promised Land, and if we are not mistaken, Promised Land were your main sponsors in obtaining the land you hold today. Not to mention the rest of the Australasian Coalition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 (edited) While we are reluctant to do so in these circumstances, we must affirm that the statement made by New Cymru is the truth. Edited July 9, 2009 by Subtleknifewielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 We reiterate our earlier statement. Taiwan controls one of the VERY few viable trade routes through this region. It is natural that some would feel threatened by this taxation. Perhaps, but it is Taiwan's right to tax shipping through their water passages, it may not be popular, but it is still their right. On taxation note, I can find no public record of Taiwan issuing taxation on New Cymru, so until those records surface, The Republic of Yawoo's official stance is that New Cymru is just saber rattling for the sake of causing trouble in the region. It may also interest Yawoo to know that any attack upon New Cymru is also an attack upon Promised Land, and if we are not mistaken, Promised Land were your main sponsors in obtaining the land you hold today. Not to mention the rest of the Australasian Coalition. While we are reluctant to do so in these circumstances, we must affirm that the statement made by New Cymru is the truth. If New Cymru thinks The Republic of Yawoo would not go to war in the defense of her ally then they're much mistaken. The sponsors of The Republic of Yawoo's lands were indeed the Australasian Coalition, but their claim to the land is null and void now that the people have spoken and the islands are ruled by democracy. We are a sovereign nation now, and whomever kept the islands protected was thanked the day that the people were able to full organize themselves into a stable government. OOC: FYI: It was Ezequiel who let me know Indonesia was a protectorate in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumeragi Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Yamato supports New Cymru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Perhaps, but it is Taiwan's right to tax shipping through their water passages, it may not be popular, but it is still their right. On taxation note, I can find no public record of Taiwan issuing taxation on New Cymru, so until those records surface, The Republic of Yawoo's official stance is that New Cymru is just saber rattling for the sake of causing trouble in the region. "Perhaps it is their right, perhaps it is not. But the last nation that so severely restricted trade in the region, Kyokujitsu Teikoku, was annihilated for that very reason. Wars have started over less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 "Perhaps it is their right, perhaps it is not. But the last nation that so severely restricted trade in the region, Kyokujitsu Teikoku, was annihilated for that very reason. Wars have started over less. The fact remains that nowhere has Taiwan said that it is taxing New Cymru anything above what it would tax someone else, so I demand that New Cmyru provide proof of its allegations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 The fact remains that nowhere has Taiwan said that it is taxing New Cymru anything above what it would tax someone else, so I demand that New Cmyru provide proof of its allegations. "New Cymru has shown us evidence (OOC: read IRC logs) that Taiwan is indeed taxing them. The only reason Promised Land shipping is not being taxed by Taiwan is a treaty where we gave Taiwan some land that they wanted." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yawoo Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 (edited) "New Cymru has shown us evidence (OOC: read IRC logs) that Taiwan is indeed taxing them. The only reason Promised Land shipping is not being taxed by Taiwan is a treaty where we gave Taiwan some land that they wanted." OOC: IRC is a completely OCC element. If it isn't posted on the forums, it isn't IC. That is the standard here, as shown in the war with the Nords. IC: I have seen no such evidence, and since Taiwan hasn't released any information on the taxation of New Cymru then The Republic of Yawoo calls once again for New Cymru to show the evidence. Edited July 10, 2009 by Yawoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezequiel Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 "We would like to inform the nations of this debate by stating what we believe. Taiwan does not and never will, support taxation of other sovereign nations through our waters in this situation. Taiwan does, however, restrict the passage to 6 miles width from the 250Th mile from each of Taiwan's coastlines in the Gulf. The Channel, on the other hand, does not follow this guideline. We expect New Cymru to follow these guidelines, as they are more than reasonable for any nation. As stated before, Promised Land does have a trade agreement with Taiwan for free militaria and civilian transit through the Gulf and taxed militaria ships through the Taiwanese Channel. Any more problems are to be reported to the Taiwanese Government directly. Kind regards, Nebu II." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 OOC: IRC is a completely OCC element. If it isn't posted on the forums, it isn't IC. That is the standard here, as shown in the war with the Nords. IC: I have seen no such evidence, and since Taiwan hasn't released any information on the taxation of New Cymru then The Republic of Yawoo calls once again for New Cymru to show the evidence. OOC: I know it doesn't, hence why I didn;t post it. no one said i had to be completely honest... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevz Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 In the eyes of Pax Pacis whilst a nation can claim the land they live on and the small strips of water bordering their nation the majority of the world's sea belongs to everyone in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 OOC: If the logs took place in an IC context, then they can be used IC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 OOC: If the logs took place in an IC context, then they can be used IC. OOC: I'm not sure...I think the GM's ruled otherwise. In other words, I'm bluffing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargun II Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 OOC: I'm not sure...I think the GM's ruled otherwise. In other words, I'm bluffing... OOC: That's what #cnrpic is for and any conversation labeled "IC" by all participants in private channels or queries. If it ain't labeled, it's fabled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 The Theocratic Bureaucracy of Rebel Virginia finds this situation to be most amusing. Although we harbor an intense dislike towards both of your nations, we will support Taiwan, as we dislike New Cymru much more. Furthermore, yes, we have returned. Our only regret is that some of our enemies still live. In other new, His Holiness Pope Bubba XIII has declared himself the New Messiah, and therefore better than you pathetic mortals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknifewielder Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 OOC: That's what #cnrpic is for and any conversation labeled "IC" by all participants in private channels or queries. If it ain't labeled, it's fabled. OOC: I'm pretty sure the current GM's ruled that even IC IRC convos aren't considered as evidence. Though i could be mistaken. Wait, #cnrpic? The Theocratic Bureaucracy of Rebel Virginia finds this situation to be most amusing. Although we harbor an intense dislike towards both of your nations, we will support Taiwan, as we dislike New Cymru much more. Furthermore, yes, we have returned. Our only regret is that some of our enemies still live. In other new, His Holiness Pope Bubba XIII has declared himself the New Messiah, and therefore better than you pathetic mortals. "Blasphemy!" was all that was heard from the Catholic Church fo Promised Land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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