King Xander the Only Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 You're ZIing a person cause he left, while your alliance wasn't at war. That's frowned upon on Planet Bob last time I checked. BTA wouldn't be much of an alliance if it did only what the populace of Planet Bob felt was right, would it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 You're already on MHA's bad side, insulting its members isn't helping your cause. Must I remind you that as a base member of the MHA you do not have the authority to make threats? Furthermore, your baseless and unnecessary threats do not reflect upon you alliance very well. Please choose your words more carefully next time. Seriously? I ZI trade partners when they cancel without my permission. See? Someone here understands. You're ZIing a person cause he left, while your alliance wasn't at war. That's frowned upon on Planet Bob last time I checked. The BTA is not so timid as to allow its internal and external policy be dictated by the mob. Do not make that false assumption or you will continue to fail in understanding us. You can not reason with that which you do not comprehend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeternos Astramora Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I think the only solution is full-scale nuclear warfare. I concur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sileath Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Must I remind you that as a base member of the MHA you do not have the authority to make threats? Furthermore, your baseless and unnecessary threats do not reflect upon you alliance very well. Please choose your words more carefully next time. Wasn't a threat, just saying that popular opinion is that you're not a cool guy If you don't care about your popularity among MHA, disregard my previous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhelm the Demented Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Quick Question: You didn't notice him change his AA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Kuse Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I retract my previous statement after seeing RV's neglect for proper course of action. As long as no spying can be brought forth as evidence then I would say that BV is in the clear. [ooc] RV what are you smoking man [/ooc] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Murometz Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 The BTA is not so timid as to allow its internal and external policy be dictated by the mob. Do not make that false assumption or you will continue to fail in understanding us. You can not reason with that which you do not comprehend. Indeed. I cannot comprehend how destroying your alliance over one member leaving in a time of peace, is good leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requia Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Leaving an alliance now an act of treason! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafael Nadal Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 The BTA I have noticed has had trouble retaining members. So until the alliance has stabilized I am instituting a policy of not permitting resignations. Beginning with YouMaka. I was going to post that this topic was not up to par with your past work, but then that reply made me laugh, so I guess it was worthwhile. Good luck on dealing with the spying problem. And member retainment problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Wasn't a threat, just saying that popular opinion is that you're not a cool guy If you don't care about your popularity among MHA, disregard my previous post. You assume that MHA's opinion matters to me in the slightest. You assume incorrectly. Quick Question: You didn't notice him change his AA? As a matter of fact I did. It was that clue that tipped me off to his treason and his defection. Indeed. I cannot comprehend how destroying your alliance over one member leaving in a time of peace, is good leadership. Then perhaps it is because you have never seen a strong leader in action before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groucho Marx Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) Seriously? I ZI trade partners when they cancel without my permission. I ask to have them sanctioned, too. Sometimes it works. Edited July 7, 2009 by Emperor Marx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D34th Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Bring it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solace19k Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) I was completely unaware that Christ himself was an avid [OOC]CN player[/OOC] and joke thread maker. Edited July 7, 2009 by Solace19k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Xander the Only Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I was completely unaware that Christ himself was an avid CN player and joke thread maker. The good lord moves in strange and wondrous ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Murometz Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) Then perhaps it is because you have never seen a strong leader in action before. Indeed. I prefer to see a wise leader in action. A strong leader keeps his/her alliance together through fear. A wise leader keeps his/her alliance together through trust. Edited July 7, 2009 by Ilya Murometz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilhelm the Demented Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 As a matter of fact I did. It was that clue that tipped me off to his treason and his defection.Oh... maybe you should have noticed sooner then...I think he is guilty of being informal and irresponsible, but unless you can prove he was actually spying then I see no reason to ZI him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Benji Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) That tidbit of information is irrelevant. You were not approved, therefore your resignation is null. Furthermore your mask remains, and you are a member of a new alliance. I consider this to be an act of espionage. Plain and simple. Nothing about that in your charter, well at least on the puublic copy on CN Wiki. I know i'm totally irrelivent and unimportant, but could you clarify? In fact, your historical charter says: " Article Ib - Secession Any member that wishes to secede must either: 1. Post a topic of resignation on the offsite forums in the appropriate forum 2. Send a message to any member of the leadership informing them of your resignation. " It just looks like you fail at demasking, tbh. Edited July 7, 2009 by Commander Benji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Virginia Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) I was completely unaware that Christ himself was an avid CN player and joke thread maker. What makes you think that this is a joke? Is it because I possess the loyalty of only a strong few. Perhaps we may be weak, but our spirit is strong, and when the time comes we will fight. Oh no, this is no joke, and by this time tomorrow you shall see that I speak the truth. Indeed. I prefer to see a wise leader in action. A strong leader keeps his/her alliance together through fear. A wise leader keeps his/her alliance together through trust. One day you will pay dearly for this insult. Oh... maybe you should have noticed sooner then...I think he is guilty of being informal and irresponsible, but unless you can prove he was actually spying then I see no reason to ZI him. For a member of Sparta you seem to think you know a lot about the legal system of the BTA. Well let me tell you this Clancy, you don't. Quite simply if I say he is a traitor then he is a traitor, for I interrupt BTA rules at my own discretion. I am the judge, the jury, and the execution. Quite simply, I am the law. Nothing about that in your charter, well at least on the puublic copy on CN Wiki. I know i'm totally irrelivent and unimportant, but could you clarify?In fact, your historical charter says: " Article Ib - Secession Any member that wishes to secede must either: 1. Post a topic of resignation on the offsite forums in the appropriate forum 2. Send a message to any member of the leadership informing them of your resignation. " It just looks like you fail at demasking, tbh. Since you seem to have ignore my early comment about the charter being irrelevant to my decision making process, I think I will make it easy on you. Starting now, the charter of the Blue Turtle Alliance is suspended indefinitely. Edited July 7, 2009 by Rebel Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
President Kuse Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Then perhaps it is because you have never seen a strong leader in action before. Our leaders are well thought of in and out of those we are allied with. Nor do you have any reason to judge otherwise. Your comment as it is; is a very blatant show of disrespect and one that im sure other Viridians will not take kindly to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choader Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Leaving an alliance now an act of treason! Damn straight. Desertion must be punished, no matter the cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requia Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 What makes you think that this is a joke? Is it because I possess the loyalty of only a strong few. Perhaps we may be weak, but our spirit is strong, and when the time comes we will fight. Oh no, this is no joke, and by this time tomorrow you shall see that I speak the truth. I really hope you are speaking truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Benji Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Starting now, the charter of the Blue Turtle Alliance is suspended indefinitely. Well in that case, I proclaim myself an official goverment representative of the BTA. Not like you have a charter with membership rules, or that says people can't do what they want. Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twodivine Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 RV just had to much Blue Moon with his Blue Turtle soup. Once the blue hang over has subsided he'll find that he didn't mean to create another bad drama thread for bad reasons. So the let the bad PR begin. Also who in their right blue mind put RV in gov? I hope MD comes on and can get this PR Nightmare straightened out as this is not a critical or security issue but a failure in ones own action of demasking and creating rules on the fly without discussing it with fellow government or membership. But I'm going back to the bleachers, have fun iFOK standing your ground is only right thing in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarfef Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 The BTA I have noticed has had trouble retaining members. So until the alliance has stabilized I am instituting a policy of not permitting resignations. Beginning with YouMaka. While I'm not really involved and certainly glad I'm not... I can't imagine WHY you would have trouble retaining members with such addling policies as this! A note of thought though... do you really want alliance members that won't stay by your side? Because if those are the types of members you have, can you really depend upon them in times of need? I did a further analysis of your alliance on CN typing in Blue Turtle Alliance just to imagine what any conflict would look like... Unfortunately, there are only seven listed members (you actually built a forum for seven members?). Of these, as my nation is of similar NS to BV, there seem to be only two nations in his range... of those two, one (Burbank) has the following personal statement: http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_d...ation_ID=265916 Founder of Vox Populi, Member of Senate I and II of Vox Populi, and former Vox Dei. Total Anarchies caused in the Vox resistance movement: 53. Valhalla applicant now. That means your attempt to knock said individual to ZI would be one against one if the above guy leaves (one against two if you plan on ZIing them both for leaving without permission). If said nation were to buy a few guerrilla camps and boost their military, that could actually be a very bad battle for you. I am not however, taking any sides or making anything more then postulates from an initial observation from CN stats. That is all. (By the way? Was there really something that disturbing in terms of military docs or what not that he could actually SPY FROM your forums? O_O) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Benji Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I hope MD comes on and can get this PR Nightmare straightened out as this is not a critical or security issue Well it could be, now that the clever gentleman has voided his own charter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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