sir jesus Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) It would be unfair to expel the Dragon Empire only. Because of Yamato the DE had to violate another treaty to defend their ally. It only seems fair that if the Dragon Empire is put on the cutting block so should Yamato.But that's just our two cents. President Landry laughed out loud, "If the Empire is expelled and Yamato remains, the overwhelming hypocrisy would completely destroy the credibility of Pax Pacifica as a political entity." Edited July 6, 2009 by sir jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 It is unfortunate that East Asia remains one of the most instable regions of the world. Yamato is well known to be an imperialist aggressor and danger to world peace, however there is no need to take military action when diplomatic efforts are ongoing, even against Yamato. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 President Landry laughed out loud, "If the Empire is expelled and Yamato remains, the overwhelming hypocrisy would completely destroy the credibility of Pax Pacifica as a political entity." What hypocrisy? Your nation initiated war with another signatory. Now listen up. Yamato maybe a nation of backstabbing rats, but we have no reason to expel them, as they have not violated any of the clauses of the treaty. If you can find where they have, please show us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 President Landry laughed out loud, "If the Empire is expelled and Yamato remains, the overwhelming hypocrisy would completely destroy the credibility of Pax Pacifica as a political entity." "I went ahead and withdrew us from the Pact. We are out of spirit with the Pact, we'll reapply once this issue is resolved." In response to Tahoe: "There is no military action besides a defensive build up currently in progress. The war from our side is little more than a political note that we are going to defend this ally and if Yamato aggresses the consequences will be severe. Since they initiated the war, we recognized the initiation and proposed very light surrender terms as a political means of ending this conflict without a drop of blood being shed. Right now, we're just waiting to see whether or not they'll go for it or actually engage us prompting the more severe terms. This is a shielding maneuver and as such the Empire hereby has named it, "Operation Asian Shield."" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manetheren Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 "We are not disagreeing with your reasons for war as supporting a treaty partner is one of the best reasons to engage in hostilities. We are merely commenting that it is lamentable that East Asia remains one of the most unstable regions in the world and that perhaps engaging in hostilities during discussions is not wise. If discussions have broken down and are not progressing (as is want to happen with the Kyokujitsan race, they are a stubborn and none to intelligent people), than perhaps war can be considered." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 "Glad to know you support our actions thus far, we're trying to be as benevolent as possible in our action and to offer Yamato an out to this conflict which doesn't require a fight." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 (edited) initiate: to begin, set going, or originateI do not believe that the Dragon Empire has begun a war with Yamato. They are the aggressors. The Melvin Republic has taken note of the warrantless diplomatic aggression Glorious Aotearoa is partaking in. "Pax pacifica is a bloc, this would be like the DE attacking a dragon bloc member. A nap (or sovereignty clause) is a nap, and takes precedence over a defense pact. We understand the DE's reason's but it doesn't change that legalistic reality." - Thomas Devereaux Edited July 6, 2009 by iamthey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razgriz 2K9 Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Reznov received news that the Dragon Empire had declared war on Yamato, which started to worry her since the backlash has begun. She told her aide, "Tell the general to raise the alert level to DEFCON 4." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 "Pax pacifica is a bloc, this would be like the DE attacking a dragon bloc member. A nap (or sovereignty clause) is a nap, and takes precedence over a defense pact. We understand the DE's reason's but it doesn't change that legalistic reality." - Thomas Devereaux "NAPs have never super-ceded defense treaties. They're a lower class of clause. Defense is a tighter bind by far. That is why we are forced to protect Lu. Lu is also far more than just a Defense pact participant, they are also part of the Bloc which carries with it far more weight than a typical defense treaty. As far as we are concerned, they are part of our family." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthey Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 "NAPs have never super-ceded defense treaties. They're a lower class of clause. Defense is a tighter bind by far. That is why we are forced to protect Lu. Lu is also far more than just a Defense pact participant, they are also part of the Bloc which carries with it far more weight than a typical defense treaty. As far as we are concerned, they are part of our family." I would argue that NAP's take precedent in the sense that if a defense or aggression clause can supersede them then there is no point in having one. Of course as I said the DE has a higher loyalty to the Dragon bloc, however its still in a legalistic sense a violation of pax pacifica. Its unfortunate but sometimes we tie ourselves into too many treaties and in pressing times have to favor one over the other. Such a time is now and you have chosen the dragon bloc as you rightfully should, but you can't really blame pax pacifica for taking action in response to a clear decision to disregard the bloc in favor of your own. *shrugs* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) "Actually, we apologized to them and voluntarily withdrew. They understand this for what it is. We joined Pax Pacifica in the name of peace and non-aggression. Whether or not Yamato will admit it, they know full well their actions constitute indirect aggression against the Dragon Empire. Whether or not Pax Pacifica allows Yamato to use them, is up to them. I have strong confidence and faith in the other members of Pax Pacifica and I doubt that will happen." Edited July 7, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 M'Bossa "Are they ready," she asks? "Yes," replies her Aide. "Get it authorized first," she responds. "Military Governer Johns has given authorization for this mission to proceed." The Republic of Free Somal Announces: In support of the Dragon Bloc and of our friends in the Dragon Empire who came to our aid in our recent time of need we will respond in their time of need as well. The following forces are made ready for immediate deployment as soon as shipping capacity can be organized: 1st Somal Armored Expeditionary Force 432 Somal Main Battle Tanks 540 Bionix 2 (S) APCs 96 Nasty Class 155 mm SPH 96 Formidable Series MLRS 192 Archangel A/A Defense Vehicles (30mm chain guns, radar/ir capable, ER SA Missile pods) 450 GAZzler Armored Vehicles 340 HEMT Cargo Vehicles 96 Combat Engineer Vehicles 4 Wings of Pirahna Gunships 2 Wings of Mig 35 Fighters 3 Wings of UC-60 Transport Helicopters We leave it to the Dragon Empire to determine if they have the shipping capacity for moving this force. We understand completely if it is impossible to accomodate such a movement at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeVentNoir Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 M'Bossa"Are they ready," she asks? "Yes," replies her Aide. "Get it authorized first," she responds. "Military Governer Johns has given authorization for this mission to proceed." The Republic of Free Somal Announces: In support of the Dragon Bloc and of our friends in the Dragon Empire who came to our aid in our recent time of need we will respond in their time of need as well. The following forces are made ready for immediate deployment as soon as shipping capacity can be organized: 1st Somal Armored Expeditionary Force 432 Somal Main Battle Tanks 540 Bionix 2 (S) APCs 96 Nasty Class 155 mm SPH 96 Formidable Series MLRS 192 Archangel A/A Defense Vehicles (30mm chain guns, radar/ir capable, ER SA Missile pods) 450 GAZzler Armored Vehicles 340 HEMT Cargo Vehicles 96 Combat Engineer Vehicles 4 Wings of Pirahna Gunships 2 Wings of Mig 35 Fighters 3 Wings of UC-60 Transport Helicopters We leave it to the Dragon Empire to determine if they have the shipping capacity for moving this force. We understand completely if it is impossible to accomodate such a movement at this time. Unless the Republic of Free Somal can cite treaty obligations, Aotearoa will have to cite our own, and prevent this force from reaching and invading Yamato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maelstrom Vortex Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) "They are a Bloc Signatory." Anthony continued.. "We advise Somal keep the forces on standby, we think we have sufficient force for this situation. We will contact you if such proves to be otherwise." Edited July 7, 2009 by Maelstrom Vortex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 M'Bossa"Are they ready," she asks? "Yes," replies her Aide. "Get it authorized first," she responds. "Military Governer Johns has given authorization for this mission to proceed." The Republic of Free Somal Announces: In support of the Dragon Bloc and of our friends in the Dragon Empire who came to our aid in our recent time of need we will respond in their time of need as well. The following forces are made ready for immediate deployment as soon as shipping capacity can be organized: 1st Somal Armored Expeditionary Force 432 Somal Main Battle Tanks 540 Bionix 2 (S) APCs 96 Nasty Class 155 mm SPH 96 Formidable Series MLRS 192 Archangel A/A Defense Vehicles (30mm chain guns, radar/ir capable, ER SA Missile pods) 450 GAZzler Armored Vehicles 340 HEMT Cargo Vehicles 96 Combat Engineer Vehicles 4 Wings of Pirahna Gunships 2 Wings of Mig 35 Fighters 3 Wings of UC-60 Transport Helicopters We leave it to the Dragon Empire to determine if they have the shipping capacity for moving this force. We understand completely if it is impossible to accomodate such a movement at this time. Necessary shipping are provided at Bosaso Naval Base from where the troops shall be transported to Lu Empire. Unless the Republic of Free Somal can cite treaty obligations, Aotearoa will have to cite our own, and prevent this force from reaching and invading Yamato Since the Republic of Free Somal is a Dragon Bloc signatory they have an option to defend a fellow Dragon Bloc nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Unless the Republic of Free Somal can cite treaty obligations, Aotearoa will have to cite our own, and prevent this force from reaching and invading Yamato Defending our MDP partners through the Dragon Bloc are well within our treaty obligations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Royal Cochin Defense Forces is moving the following units to Lu Empire: 1. III ACR 2. IV ACR 3. V ACR 4. VII MD 5. VIII MD 6. RF09 (JADAYU) 7. RF10 (JADAYU) 8. RF15 (MIG35) 9. RF16 (MIG35) 10. RF27 (MIG29) 11. RF28 (MIG29) 12. RF29 (MIG29) Additional 4 HALOB AWACS and 5 Raptor UAVs have also been assigned to Lu Empire's defense. The 9 Royal Cochin Navy task forces in station east of Japan has now formed the First Battle Fleet and is now stationed off Yamato coast. The 1BF has been ordered to cooperate with the Rebel Army Navy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir jesus Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Unless the Republic of Free Somal can cite treaty obligations, Aotearoa will have to cite our own, and prevent this force from reaching and invading Yamato "I truly feel sorry for your citizens. Their leader is willing to rush to war and make threats without even a grasp of the political climate they are participating in. As stated by my comrades, Somal is a fellow Dragon Bloc member." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teriethien Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 France appeals for all parties in this dispute to remain calm and refrain from further escalations. War is disastrous to all and benefits no one. However recognising that the aggravated parties are unlikely to back down at this point, the French government pledges its support for all innocent civilians who may be affected by this crisis. A naval task force centred around the aircraft carrier Jeanne d'Arc has been assembled and will set sail from La Rochelle immediately. They carry thousands of tonnes of emergency supplies and will assist the French Red Cross in distributing aid packages. They are expected to arrive at the conflict zone in two week's time. We wish to be clear to all involved nations that the Jeanne d'Arc Task Force is under strict orders to stay within international waters and will not attack anyone unless fired upon first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 France appeals for all parties in this dispute to remain calm and refrain from further escalations. War is disastrous to all and benefits no one.However recognising that the aggravated parties are unlikely to back down at this point, the French government pledges its support for all innocent civilians who may be affected by this crisis. A naval task force centred around the aircraft carrier Jeanne d'Arc has been assembled and will set sail from La Rochelle immediately. They carry thousands of tonnes of emergency supplies and will assist the French Red Cross in distributing aid packages. They are expected to arrive at the conflict zone in two week's time. We wish to be clear to all involved nations that the Jeanne d'Arc Task Force is under strict orders to stay within international waters and will not attack anyone unless fired upon first. There need be no war if sense prevails in Yamato camp. The waters around Yamato are now under control of Cochin and Rebel Army Navies. We suggest you coordinate with Pax Pacis for any relief operations. We also suggest your navy to give notice to our forces in theater as that will enable us to create a safe passage for you. This is to preclude any accidents due to misunderstandings as we are at a high alert level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firestorm Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I agree and would remind you that all DE and DB forces are acting in a defensive capacity at this time. None of our forces are seeking to project force against Yamato or Yamato's possesions. DB will defend it's treaty partners to the fullest of our might against any of Yamato's unwarranted agression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lavo Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 There need be no war if sense prevails in Yamato camp. The waters around Yamato are now under control of Cochin and Rebel Army Navies. The Rebel Navy is currently stationed just outside of Yamato's waters/EEZ, in order to not provoke Yamato to attack them until war truly breaks out. We would suggest you do the same. -------------- The RN has dispatched a number of transports to Somal to bring them over to the DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkantos Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 To Cochin and Rebel Army: Be advised, ANBTLGRP 1 is operating in International Waters near Yamato. They are there for the sole purpose of monitering the situation. They will not fire unless fired upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 The Rebel Navy is currently stationed just outside of Yamato's waters/EEZ, in order to not provoke Yamato to attack them until war truly breaks out. We would suggest you do the same.-------------- The RN has dispatched a number of transports to Somal to bring them over to the DE. We are doing the same. We suggest that in case of offensive operations our two navies cooperate. Operations shall be more effective that way. Our First Battle Fleet comprises 3 Air craft carriers, 6 cruisers, 2 helicopter carriers, 2 Marine Divisions, a missile submarine and assorted escort ships. Commander of A01/TF01, CNS Sakthan shall be the Battle Fleet Commander and is authorized to coordinate with your Navy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of cochin Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 To Cochin and Rebel Army:Be advised, ANBTLGRP 1 is operating in International Waters near Yamato. They are there for the sole purpose of monitering the situation. They will not fire unless fired upon. May we enquire what class of vessel is ANBTLGRP 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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