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Given the high tensions, the delegates of Lu and Cochin were allowed to bring as much security details (anything below full-military scale).

The Yamato Foreign Minister Fukuda spoke first.

"We wish for greater cooperation to result from this meeting, so let's release what are on our minds. First, Yamato have some questions.

1. Could Lu explain their outragous behavior against Yamato?

2. Could Cochin explain why they they gave away their protectorate without any notice to its neighbor, not only potentially disturbing the peace but also undermining the self-determination of the Mongols, who have worked to escape the yoke of the Han Chinese? Please do not say "friendly relations with Lu", for that is just an excuse for bias."

OOC: Just get to the talks. Leave out the useless arrival posts.

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The Chairman addressed the world via the press, "What Cochin does with its protectorate is not a concern of Yamato. You had your chance with the regional powers and they declined your claim to the region. When we gave you a fair and mediated trial concerning the fate of this land and it didn't come out to your favor your delegation walked out on the conference in a spiteful fit of rage. Lu came to us with a valid request. His people are Han Chinese. They desired to return to their homeland which they had migrated from many years before and we provided the means. They surrendered their former holdings in exchange for land in north china and Mongolia. We helped a people return to their homeland. There is no bias here. There is only assistance of a people in need. We would like to know why the Yamato people have such an excessive need for land given they have been granted plenty in Japan by powers who are very kind. Did this gift not suit you? I mean recently you even attempted to place a claim on the Aleutian Islands."

"We would ask Yamato to explain their outrageous behavior including their continued racial purification projects and their continued need to expand at the point of a gun."

"The Empire has been nothing but kind and gracious to Yamato and this is how you treat our friends and neighbors? Not to mention your acts regarding Korea. What are we to think of you. Where is YOUR honor?"

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1. We do not have a racial purification program. You seem to have mixed us up with Altin Urda.

2. We have three times more people and yet only 1/3 of the DE portectorate ONLY. Does Dragonisia have a measuring problem?

3. SInce Altin Urda, the Mongols have continuously worked for independence or unification with their eastern cousins. The land transfer is nothing but undermining the self-determination of the local people, the reason why Cochin made it a protectorate in the first place. There seems to be double standards here.

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"Except that the people returning to these lands are Mongol and Han. There are no double standards here. You may have three times as many people but you don't have so many you're overcrowded. There's a reason skyscrapers were designed. You already have land. They had land, they gave it up for this land which is a cultural homeland. Honestly, why can't you be content with Japan? It seemed like an objective your people had tried to achieve for ages and now suddenly you seem to want to leave it as soon as you achieved that objective."

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YOu forgot that the Kyokujitsujins aren't jsut JAPANESE, as the outside world thinks we are. No, only half of us claim Japanese origins, with the larger half being of Korean/Mongol ancestry, the Kankokujins. This ignorance of the ethnic issues of the Kyokujitsujins are the reason why countries like you think we're just simple imperialists as our eastern cousins, the Neo Japanese, were.

Our objective, our goal, our dream is simple: To reclaim the lands that were the homelands of all of our ancestries. Yes, we know that much has changed, but as long as there are our cousins who are under the oppression of others, we will work to liberate them, be it economic, political, or military means.

Now, we would like to proceed with the discussions, so please spot hijacking with your comments.

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"To reclaim the homeland of all your ancestries. Well.. I guess the modern world's occupants of those territories should just roll out of the way for you then? I know you're not only Japanese... but you were GIFTED Japanese land.. land that your people had wanted so badly. You got what you wanted. Where are we to know your land claims end and why should modern people's be displaced for the wants of one ethnicity?"

"Cochin is part of the Empire, if he is to be here, we are all here. If you can't deal with us as a group you will deal with none. Take your choice."

"This is the discussion, if you do not like the discussion, and you do not like to participate in it, perhaps you should end this senseless war and be satisfied with what you have?"

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Modern people wouldn't be displaced. We have already given up our claims to Liaodong, which now has a Han Chinese majority, and also over the Russian Far East and Transbaikal. The only relevent areas are the Manchu homeland of eastern "Inner Mongolia" and Northeastern outer Mongolia, which has a Khanka majority. The claims we placed in the former North Chinese Protectorate is what reality is. We shall not go the path of Altin Urda, deporting people based on ethnicity.

Then we ask that Dragonisia hold their questions and comments until after Lu and Cochin has replied.

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"Then you should be satisfied. The people of Lu who have inhabited this domain are likewise descendants of the people of this area. If there is no need to displace anyone or any people, then let them live in peace. We're sorry that your land claim was not approved by the regional powers during the mediation proceedings, but just because someone else who has a common ancestry got the land does not give any sensible reason to begrudge them."

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You forgot: Lu, a Han Chinese nation, MIGRATED from Central Asia. This is displacement, not return, at least when it concerns the region we have a problem with. We of course do have a problem with it, just as others had a problem with our claims. To smother our thoughts, isn't this nothing more than double standards?

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"We're listening to your thoughts aren't we? We had an entire regional conference to listen to your thoughts on the matter.. didn't we? Our ears will remain open. What part of being heard are we missing? My understanding is that is a past, present, and future tense coverage. The people of Lu migrated to Central Asia from the Chinese/Mongl regions.. likely due to the oppression caused by Altin Urda. This relocation of them back to their native domains is justice and a humanitarian concern. We made our decision based on their willingness to surrender the land they had taken from others in Central Asia in their migrations."

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Dragonisia, speaking as representative of Dragon Empire, has echoed our sentiments to the point.

Yamato does not have any right to dictate to us about what we should do with our Protectorate.

Lu Empire sought the territory and explained their historical connection with it. Since they are a friendly nation, we have ceded the territory to them. As Dragon Empire constituent we only had to consult with fellow DE members and so we have done.

And Biased we are. Every nation acts according to their own self interest. As long as our acts do not threaten the sovereignty and safety of another nation we are free to act according to our choice.

In ceding Cochin Protectorate to Lu Empire we neither threatened or coerced Yamato.

We do not acknowledge any right to territory based on historical or ethnic reasons. If they were to be validated many places in the world would be a flash point.

The Kingdom of Cochin itself claims its origin from South India. But assured that the territory is under a stable government already we have settled down in our present location. So any argument about history or ethnicity will not be accepted with us.

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Altin Urda has never displaced any Mongols, and the only displacement of Han Chinese that has happened was within "Inner Mongolia", west of the Manchu homelands. We have the records which were recovered from the archives in Harbin, and it is using thins that we base our claims. As much as we deplore what Altin Urda has done, it is history, and we know the history.

We have no real problems with Lu having the former DE protectorate. However, the annexation of Outer Mongolia is something we are against, by all means.

OOC: Talk about condemning the actions of your former nation >_>

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We have no real problems with Lu having the former DE protectorate. However, the annexation of Outer Mongolia is something we are against, by all means.

The territory ceded to Lu Empire is DE Protectorate and Cochin Protectorate. We are disturbed by your statement that you shall oppose it by all means. That sounds like aggression towards us. The land transfer is already completed.

We warn you any attack on Lu Empire's sovereign territory shall be defended to the extreme.

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He sighed, "The people of the DE and Cochin protectorates are in good hands, and in the hands of people who once lived near and around the region. Unless you have some imperialistic bent like your predecessor state, respect the decisions of the Empire in what it has done with its protectorates in taking care of this displaced people. The people in this region will not be oppressed and are being well cared for. Your people have sufficient land and if you simply would stop this senseless war perhaps some open border arrangements could be made to allow your people to move and visit fluidly the domains you perceive to be part of your ancestral grounds. There is a purpose in international tourism. I am hoping to visit Greater Aotearoa occasionally so I can see Tasmania, but I trusted it into their hands. It is my ancestral grounds, but I am letting others administer it whom I recognize as having the ability to do so responsibly. Unless you want to live there.. there is no need for this war, you'd be free to visit outside the context of a war."

"What you are doing doesn't look good not only to me, but there are many around the world examining your behavior.. not Altin Urda's, but the rash of claims and expansion efforts your government has made recently. Your justifications for them are not sound. It doesn't look good at all."

"Outer Monglia was not annexed, it was gifted. It has been a Dragon Empire Protectorate for a very long time." He throws the map out on the table. "The area Lu currently occupies was officially in DE's and Cochin's control at the time it was "Granted" not.. "annexed.""

"If you truly do care for these people.. stand down. They will fight for their freedom.. from you."

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Prince Lu Ku 3rd Prince of Lu arrived but caught word on what Yamato Foreign Minister Fukuda talked about,Prince Lu ku takes a seat by the chairmen of Dragonisa the Prince was not amused.

"The Lands of which you speak belong to the Han Chinese it has been that way for many centuries,and its time for the Han Chinese to rule these lands once more ,and never again will Kyokujitsin rule take over our lands again ever, and you think we would show hard feeling to Mongolians which live under our rule they are free to do whatever they want as long as they follow the Laws of our great nation those who dare break the laws will be punished accordingly by going under fair trial . My father the Emperor is a kind and generous man but you dare insult him and our Nation,you don't even deserve our kindness or any land in Asia for that factor.And you also tried to trick us by using a treaty to take most of our land which would of done us much harm if it wasn't for our allies we would of been doomed,and the most drastic irresponsible thing you is declare the childish act of War!!.On our nation which could of been avoided,so I wonder who is the real criminal hear me or you.

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And you also tried to trick us by using a treaty to take most of our land which would of done us much harm if it wasn't for our allies we would of been doomed,.

Explain how we "tricked" you. We offered terms which were in the treaty, and you accepted.

OOC: And if this concerns the IG cash, I never offered it.

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"Alright, lets get down to business. Lu had second thoughts. He has a right to do that. We understand the Yamato are angry, especially with the wav the representatives of Lu have behaved regarding this issue. We also condemn Lu's handling of the situation. There are much more diplomatic ways of expressing your dis-satisfaction with a treaty. At the same time, we are glad that Yamato has eased off on the threats and come back to the discussion table."

"As a more progressive framework what we recommend is that Lu Empire open its borders and tourism industry to the attendance of Yamato citizens which have a heritage originating from the area. We also suggest that Yamato recognize the sovereignty of Lu Empire as they have every right to be where they are as part of the pull back from war. Their land has been granted by the Empire and Cochin to them and we're certain they will manage it effectively and they have noted they have no intent to oppress any segment of the population."

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And we intend to attempt to buy the land once more, after we figure out what this "trickery" business is. Given the notorious characterisitics of nations not reading maps properly, we feel that what we done with clear intend had been accepted as fraud.

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"If the artifacts presented on the map weren't ouf of date, they would not have been misread." He points out something on an old map copy labeled.. "Yamato protectorate" that was clearly in DE protectorate space prior to the Mongol region negotiations.

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Actual globally accepted map. (Not entirely up to date.)

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Maps submitted by Yamato post North China conference which show the Yamato protectorate artifact which had not been removed. No Yamato protectorate had been agreed to in these negotations. What was agreed to was that these lands would be left open to a new nation or a nation without a homeland.

"Lu was granted the entire Dragon Empire Protectorate. When you made your complaints about him annexing the Outer Mongol region you had no legitimate claim, that was open to myself and Cochin to gift to him as they were our protectorates. He had a right to be there as a nation that is descendant from the people of these regions. This is perhaps where the claims of trickery originate."

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